Thomas Friedman: Making America Great Again

Pulitzer-Prize winning columnist and “frustrated optimist” Thomas Friedman on what it will take to make America great again.

Thomas Friedman speaks with host Tom Ashbrook during a live taping of On Point Oct. 4, 2011 at the Paramount Center, Boston. (Alex Kingsbury/WBUR)

Thomas Friedman speaks with host Tom Ashbrook during a live taping of On Point Oct. 4, 2011 at the Paramount Center, Boston. (Alex Kingsbury/WBUR)

New York Times columnist Tom Friedman is a frame-maker. For thirty years he’s been framing first the Middle East then the world and world economy.

Love him or hate him, in bestselling book after book he frames the understanding millions of people have of what’s going on. Now Friedman says America’s going down – but doesn’t have to. That we need a third party candidate to shake up polarized and illusion-bound Republicans and Democrats. To lead the country back to greatness.

This hour, in a special live audience broadcast of On Point: Tom Friedman on making America great again.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests

Thomas Friedman, co-author with Michael Mandelbaum of the bestselling new book, “That Used to Be Us: How America Fell Behind in the World It Invented and How We Can Come Back.” He is a three-time recipient of the Pulitzer Prize and columnist for The New York Times.

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The New York Times “The main line of the book’s argument will arrive with congenial familiarity. Friedman is one of America’s most famous commentators, Mandelbaum one of its most distinguished academic experts on foreign policy. Their views — and their point of view — are well known. They speak from just slightly to the left of the battered American political center: for free trade, open immigration, balanced budgets, green energy, consumption taxes, health care reform, investments in education and infrastructure.”

Christian Science Monitor “In That Used to Be Us, Friedman, a Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist for The New York Times, and Mandelbaum, a foreign-policy expert at Johns Hopkins University, do a masterly job of explaining just what’s wrong and why our nation is on the brink of tragedy. They employ lively examples and telling statistics to make their points, and buttress them with incisive quotes from those inside America’s political system. From preface to conclusion, the book paints a devastating picture.”

Financial Times “Aiming to fill the gap they think Obama has left, Friedman and Mandelbaum present an ambitious programme for retooling America. They pick out four areas of policy in need of urgent attention: America’s response to globalisation, the ongoing revolution in information technology, the country’s chronic indebtedness and its excessive reliance on environmentally toxic oil, much of it imported.”

Excerpt

Preface: Growing Up in America

A reader might ask why two people who have devoted their careers to writing about foreign affairs—¬one of us as a foreign correspondent and columnist at The New York ¬Times and the other as a professor of American foreign policy at The ¬Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies—¬have collaborated on a book about the American condition today. The answer is simple. We have been friends for more than twenty years, and in that time hardly a week has gone by without our discussing some aspect of international relations and American foreign policy. But in the last couple of years, we started to notice something: Every conversation would begin with foreign policy but end with domestic policy—¬what was happening, or not happening, in the United States. Try as we might to redirect them, the conversations kept coming back to America and our seeming inability today to rise to our greatest challenges.

This situation, of course, has enormous foreign policy implications. America plays a huge and, more often than not, constructive role in the world today. But that role depends on the country’s social, political, and economic health. And America today is not healthy—-economically or politically. This book is our effort to explain how we got into that state and how we get out of it.

We beg the reader’s indulgence with one style issue. At times, we include stories, anecdotes, and interviews that involve only one of us. To make clear who is involved, we must, in effect, quote ourselves: “As Tom recalled . . .” “As Michael wrote . . .” You can’t simply say “I said” or “I saw” when you have a ¬co-¬authored book with a lot of reporting in it.

Readers familiar with our work know us mainly as authors and commentators, but we are also both, well, Americans. That is im-portant, because that identity drives the book as much as our policy interests do. So here are just a few words of introduction from each of us—¬not as experts but as citizens.

Tom: I was born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and was raised in a small suburb called St. ¬Louis Park—¬made famous by the brothers ¬Ethan and Joel Coen in their movie A Serious Man, which was set in our neighborhood. Senator Al Franken, the Coen brothers, the Harvard political philosopher Michael J. Sandel, the political scientist Norman Ornstein, the longtime NFL football coach Marc Trestman, and I all grew up in and around that little suburb within a few years of one another, and it surely had a big impact on all of us. In my case, it bred a deep optimism about America and the notion that we ¬really¬ can act collectively for the common good.

In 1971, the year I graduated from high school, Time magazine had a cover featuring ¬then ¬Minnesota governor Wendell Anderson holding up a fish he had just caught, under the headline “The Good Life in Minnesota.” It was all about “the state that works.” When the senators from your childhood were the Democrats Hubert Humphrey, Walter Mondale, and Eugene McCarthy, your congressmen were the moderate Republicans ¬Clark MacGregor and Bill Frenzel, and the leading corporations in your state—¬Dayton’s, Target, General Mills, and 3M—¬were pioneers in corporate social responsibility and believed that it was part of their mission to help build things like the Tyrone Guthrie Theater, you wound up with a deep conviction that politics -really¬ can work and that there is a viable political center in American life.

I attended public school with the same group of kids from K through 12. In those days in Minnesota, private schools were for kids in trouble. Private school was pretty much unheard of for ¬middle-¬class St. ¬Louis Park kids, and pretty much everyone was middle-class. My mom enlisted in the U.S. Navy in ¬World War II, and my parents actually bought our home thanks to the loan she got through the GI Bill. My dad, who never went to college, was vice president of a company that sold ball bearings. My wife, Ann Bucksbaum, was born in Mar-shalltown, Iowa, and was raised in Des Moines. To this day, my best friends are still those kids I grew up with in St. ¬Louis Park, and I still carry around a mental image—¬no doubt idealized—¬of Minnesota that anchors and informs a lot of my ¬political choices. No matter where I go—¬London, Beirut, Jerusalem, Washington, Beijing, or Bangalore—-I’m always looking to rediscover that land of ten thousand lakes where politics actually worked to make people’s lives better, not pull them apart. That used to be us. In fact, it used to be my neighborhood.

Michael: ¬While Tom and his wife come from the middle of the country, my wife, Anne Mandelbaum, and I grew up on the two coasts—¬she in Manhattan and I in Berkeley, California. My father was a professor of anthropology at the University of California, and my mother, after my two siblings and I reached high school age, became a public school teacher and then joined the education faculty at the university that we called, simply, Cal.

Although Berkeley has a reputation for political radicalism, during my childhood in the 1950s it had more in common with Tom’s Minneapolis than with the Berkeley the world has come to know. It was more a slice of Middle America than a hotbed of revolution. As amazing as it may seem today, for part of my boyhood it had a Republican mayor and was represented by a Republican congressman.

One episode from those years is particularly relevant to this book. It occurred in the wake of the Soviet Union’s 1957 launching of Sputnik, the first ¬Earth-¬orbiting satellite. The event was a shock to the United States, and the shock waves reached Garfield Junior High School (since renamed after Martin Luther King Jr.), where I was in seventh grade. The entire student body was summoned to an assembly at which the principal solemnly informed us that in the future we all would have to study harder, and that mathematics and science would be crucial.

¬Given my parents’ commitment to education, I did not need to be told that school and studying were important. But I was impressed by the gravity of the moment. I understood that the United States faced a national challenge and that everyone would have to contribute to meeting it. I did not doubt that America, and Americans, would meet it. ¬There is no going back to the 1950s, and there are many reasons to be glad that that is so, but the kind of seriousness the country was ca-pable of then is just as necessary now.

We now live and work in the nation’s capital, where we have seen firsthand the government’s failure to come to terms with the major challenges the country faces. But although this book’s perspective on the present is gloomy, its hopes and expectations for the future are high. We know that America can meet its challenges. ¬After all, that’s the America where we grew up.

Thomas L. Friedman
Michael Mandelbaum

Bethesda, Maryland, June 2011

ONE
If You See Something, Say Something
This is a book about America that begins in China.

In September 2010, Tom attended the ¬World Economic ¬Forum’s summer conference in Tianjin, China. Five years earlier, getting to Tianjin had involved a ¬three-¬and-¬a-¬half-¬hour car ride from Beijing to a polluted, crowded Chinese version of Detroit, but things had changed. Now, to get to Tianjin, you head to the Beijing ¬South Railway Station—¬an ultramodern flying saucer of a building with glass walls and an oval roof covered with 3,246 solar panels—¬buy a ticket from an electronic kiosk offering choices in Chinese and En¬glish, and board a -world-¬class ¬high-¬speed train that goes right to another roomy, modern train station in downtown Tianjin. Said to be the fastest in the world when it began ¬operating in 2008, the Chinese bullet train covers 115 kilometers, or 72 miles, in a mere twenty-nine minutes.

The conference itself took place at the Tianjin Meijiang Convention and Exhibition Center—¬a massive, beautifully appointed structure, the like of which exists in few American cities. As if the convention center wasn’t impressive enough, the conference’s ¬co–sponsors in Tianjin gave some facts and figures about it (www.¬tj–summerdavos.cn). They noted that it contained a total floor area of 230,000 square meters ¬(almost 2.5 million square feet) and that “construction of the Meijiang Convention Center started on September 15, 2009, and was completed in May, 2010.” Reading that line, Tom started counting on his fingers: Let’s see—September, October, November, December, January . . .
¬Eight months.

Returning home to Maryland from that trip, Tom was describing the Tianjin complex and how quickly it was built to Michael and his wife, Anne. At one point Anne asked: “Excuse me, Tom. Have you been to our subway stop lately?” We all live in Bethesda and often use the Washington Metrorail subway to get to work in downtown Washington, D.C. Tom had just been at the Bethesda station and knew exactly what Anne was talking about: The two short escalators had been under repair for nearly six months. ¬While the one being fixed was closed, the other had to be shut off and converted into a ¬two-¬way staircase. At rush hour, this was creating a huge mess. Everyone trying to get on or off the platform had to squeeze single file up and down one frozen escalator. It sometimes took ten minutes just to get out of the station. A sign on the closed escalator said that its repairs were part of a massive escalator “modernization” project.

What was taking this “modernization” project so long? We investigated. ¬Cathy Asato, a spokeswoman for the Washington Metropolitan Transit Authority, had told the Maryland Community News (October 20, 2010) that “the repairs were scheduled to take about six months and are on schedule. Mechanics need 10 to 12 weeks to fix each escalator.”

A simple comparison made a startling point: It took China’s Teda Construction ¬Group ¬thirty-¬two weeks to build a ¬world-¬class convention center from the ground up—¬including giant escalators in every corner—¬and it was taking the Washington ¬Metro crew ¬twenty-¬four weeks to repair two tiny escalators of ¬twenty-¬one steps each. We searched a little further and found that WTOP, a local news radio sta-tion, had interviewed the ¬Metro interim general manager, Richard Sarles, on July 20, 2010. Sure, these escalators are old, he said, but “they have not been kept in a state of good repair. We’re behind the curve on that, so we have to catch up . . . Just last week, smoke began pouring out of the escalators at the Dupont Circle station during rush hour.”

On November 14, 2010, The Washington Post ran a letter to the -editor from Mark Thompson of Kensington, Maryland, who wrote:
I have noted with interest your reporting on the $225,000 study that ¬Metro hired Vertical Transportation Excellence to conduct into the sorry state of the system’s escalators and elevators . . . I am sure that the study has merit. But as someone who has ridden ¬Metro for more than 30 years, I can think of an easier way to assess the health of the escalators. For decades they ran silently and efficiently. But over the past several years—¬when the escalators are running—¬aging or ¬ill-¬fitting parts have generated horrific noises that sound to me like a Tyrannosaurus Rex trapped in a tar pit screeching its dying screams.

The quote we found most disturbing, though, came from a Maryland Community News story about the long lines at rush hour caused by the seemingly endless ¬Metro repairs: “ ‘My impression, standing on line there, is people have sort of gotten used to it,’ said Benjamin Ross, who lives in Bethesda and commutes every day from the downtown station.”

The National Watercooler

People have sort of gotten used to it. Indeed, that sense of resignation, that sense that, well, this is just how things are in America today, that sense that America’s best days are behind it and China’s best days are ahead of it, have become the subject of watercooler, ¬dinner-¬party, -grocery-¬line, and classroom conversations all across America today. We hear the doubts from children, who haven’t been to China. Tom took part in the September 2010 Council of Educational Facility Planners International (CEFPI) meeting in San Jose, California. As part of the program, there was a “¬School of the Future Design Competition,” which called for junior high school students to design their own ideal green school. He met with the finalists on the last morning of the convention, and they talked about global trends. At one point, Tom asked them what they thought about China. A young ¬blond-¬haired junior high school student, Isabelle Foster, from Old Lyme Middle School in Connecticut, remarked, “It seems like they have more ambition and will than we do.” Tom asked her, “¬Where did you get that thought?” She couldn’t ¬really¬ explain it, she said. She had never visited China. But it was just how she felt. It’s in the air.

We heard the doubts about America from Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell, in his angry reaction after the National Football League postponed for two days a game scheduled in Philadelphia between the Philadelphia Eagles and the Minnesota Vikings—¬because of a severe snowstorm. The NFL ordered the games postponed because it didn’t want fans driving on icy, ¬snow-¬covered roads. But Rendell saw it as an indicator of something more troubling—¬that Americans had gone soft. “It goes against everything that football is all about,” Rendell said in an interview with the sports radio station 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia (December 27, 2010). “We’ve become a nation of wusses. The Chinese are kicking our butt in everything. If this was in China, do you think the Chinese would have called off the game? People would have been marching down to the stadium, they would have walked, and they would have been doing calculus on the way down.”

We read the doubts in letters to the editor, such as this impassioned post by Eric R. on The New York ¬Times comments page under a column Tom wrote about ¬China (December 1, 2010):

We are nearly complete in our evolution from ¬Lewis and ¬Clark into ¬Elmer Fudd and Yosemite Sam. We used to embrace challenges, endure privation, throttle our fear and strike out into the (unknown) wilderness. In this mode we rallied to span the continent with railroads, construct a national highway system, defeated monstrous dictators, cured polio and landed men on the moon. Now we text and put on makeup as we drive, spend more on video games than books, forswear exercise, demonize hunting, and are rapidly succumbing to obesity and diabetes. So much for the pioneering spirit that made us (once) the greatest nation on earth, one that others looked up to and called “exceptional.”

Sometimes the doubts hit us where we least expect them. A few weeks after returning from China, Tom went to the ¬White ¬House to conduct an interview. He passed through the ¬Secret Service checkpoint on Pennsylvania Avenue, and after putting his bags through the ¬X-¬ray machine and collecting them, he grabbed the metal door handle to enter the ¬White ¬House driveway. The handle came off in his hand. “Oh, it does that sometimes,” the Secret Service agent at the door said nonchalantly, as Tom tried to fit the wobbly handle back into the socket.

And often now we hear those doubts from visitors here—¬as when a neighbor in Bethesda mentions that over the years he has hired several young women from Germany to help with his child care, and they always remark on two things: how many squirrels there are in Washington, and how rutted the streets are. They just can’t believe that America’s capital would have such potholed streets.

Frustrated Optimists

So, do we buy the idea, increasingly popular in some circles, that Brit-ain owned the nineteenth century, America dominated the twentieth century, and ¬China will inevitably reign supreme in the ¬twenty-¬first century—¬and that all you have to do is fly from Tianjin or Shanghai to Washington, D.C., and take the subway to know that?

No, we do not. And we have written this book to explain why no American, young or old, should resign himself or herself to that view either. The two of us are not pessimists when it comes to America and its future. We are optimists, but we are also frustrated. We are frustrated optimists. In our view, the two attitudes go together. We are optimists because American society, with its ¬freewheeling spirit, its diversity of opinions and talents, its flexible economy, its work ethic and penchant for innovation, is in fact ideally suited to thrive in the tremendously challenging world we are living in. We are optimists because the American political and economic systems, when functioning ¬properly, can harness the nation’s talents and energy to meet the challenges the country faces. We are optimists because Americans have plenty of experience in doing big, hard things together. And we are optimists be-cause our track rec¬ord of national achievement gives ample grounds for believing we can overcome our present difficulties.

But that’s also why we’re frustrated. Optimism or pessimism about America’s future cannot simply be a function of our capacity to do great things or our history of having done great things. It also has to be a function of our will actually to do those things again. So many Americans are doing great things today, but on a small scale. Philanthropy, volunteerism, individual initiative: they’re all impressive, but what the country needs most is collective action on a large scale.

We cannot be pessimists about America when we know that it is home to so many creative, talented, ¬hardworking people, but we cannot help but be frustrated when we discover how many of those people feel that our country is not educating the workforce they need, or admitting the energetic immigrants they seek, or investing in the infrastructure they require, or funding the research they envision, or putting in place the intelligent tax laws and incentives that our competitors have installed.

Hence the title of this opening chapter: “If you see something, say something.” That is the mantra that the Department of Homeland Security plays over and over on loudspeakers in airports and railroad stations around the country. Well, we have seen and heard something, and millions of Americans have, too. What we’ve seen is not a suspicious package left under a stairwell. What we’ve seen is hiding in plain sight. We’ve seen something that poses a greater threat to our national security and ¬well-¬being than ¬al-¬Qaeda does. We’ve seen a country with enormous potential falling into disrepair, political disarray, and palpable discomfort about its present condition and future prospects.

This book is our way of saying something—¬about what is wrong, why things have gone wrong, and what we can and must do to make them right.
Why say it now, though, and why the urgency?

“Why now?” is easy to answer: because our country is in a slow decline, just slow enough for us to be able to pretend—¬or believe—-that a decline is not taking place. As the ¬ever-¬optimistic Timothy Shriver, chairman of the Special Olympics, son of Peace ¬Corps founder Sargent Shriver, and nephew of President John F. Kennedy, responded when we told him about our book: “It’s as though we just slip a little each year and shrug it off to circumstances beyond our control—¬an economic downturn here, a social problem there, the political mess this year. We’re losing a step a day and no one’s saying, Stop!” No doubt, Shriver added, most Americans “would still love to be the country of great ideals and achievements, but no one seems willing to pay the price.” Or, as Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of General Electric, put it to us: “What we lack in the U.S. today is the confidence that is generated by solving one big, hard problem—¬together.” It has been a long time now since we did something big and hard together.

We will argue that this ¬slow-¬motion decline has four broad causes. First, since the end of the Cold War, we, and especially our political leaders, have stopped starting each day by asking the two questions that are crucial for determining public policy: What world are we living in, and what exactly do we need to do to thrive in this world? The U.S. Air ¬Force has a strategic doctrine originally designed by one of its officers, John Boyd, called the OODA loop. It stands for “observe, orient, decide, act.” Boyd argued that when you are a fighter pilot, if your OODA loop is faster than the other guy’s, you will always win the dogfight. Today, America’s OODA loop is far too slow and often dis-combobulated. In American political discourse today, there is far too little observing, orienting, deciding, and acting and far too much shouting, asserting, dividing, and postponing. When the world gets -really fast, the speed with which a country can effectively observe, orient, decide, and act matters more than ever.

Second, over the last twenty years, we as a country have failed to address some of our biggest problems—¬particularly education, deficits and debt, and energy and climate change—¬and now they have all worsened to a point where they cannot be ignored but they also cannot be effectively addressed without collective action and collective sacrifice. Third, to make matters worse, we have stopped investing in our country’s traditional formula for greatness, a formula that goes back to the founding of the country. Fourth, as we will explain, we have not been able to fix our problems or reinvest in our strengths because our political system has become paralyzed and our system of values has suffered serious erosion. But finally, being optimists, we will offer our own strategy for overcoming these problems.

“Why the urgency?” is also easy to answer. In part the urgency stems from the fact that as a country we do not have the resources or the time to waste that we had twenty years ago, when our budget deficit was under control and all of our biggest challenges seemed at least manageable. In the last decade especially, we have spent so much of our time and energy—¬and the next generation’s money—¬fighting terrorism and indulging ourselves with tax cuts and cheap credit that we now have no reserves. We are driving now without a bumper, without a spare tire, and with the gas gauge nearing empty. Should the market or Mother Nature make a sudden disruptive move in the wrong direction, we would not have the resources to shield ourselves from the worst effects, as we had in the past. Winston Churchill was fond of saying that “America will always do the right thing, but only after exhausting all other options.” America simply doesn’t have time anymore for exhausting any options other than the right ones.

Our sense of urgency also derives from the fact that our political system is not ¬properly framing, let alone addressing, our ultimate challenge. Our goal should not be merely to solve America’s debt and deficit problems. That is far too narrow. Coping with these problems is important—¬indeed necessary and urgent—¬but it is only a means to an end. The goal is for America to remain a great country. This means that while reducing our deficits, we must also invest in education, infrastructure, and research and development, as well as open our society more widely to talented immigrants and fix the regulations that govern our economy. Immigration, education, and sensible regulation are tradi¬tional ingredients of the American formula for greatness. They are more vital than ever if we hope to realize the full potential of the American people in the coming decades, to generate the resources to sustain our prosperity, and to remain the global leader that we have been and that the world needs us to be. We, the authors of this book, don’t want simply to restore American solvency. We want to maintain American greatness. We are not ¬green-¬eyeshade guys.

We’re Fourth of July guys.

China, Again

And to maintain American greatness, the right option for us is not to become more like China. It is to become more like ourselves. Cer-tainly, ¬China has made extraordinary strides in lifting tens of millions of its people out of poverty and in modernizing its infrastructure—¬from convention centers, to highways, to airports, to housing. China’s relentless focus on economic development and its willingness to search the world for the best practices, experiment with them, and then scale those that work is truly impressive.

But the Chinese still suffer from large and potentially debilitating problems: a lack of freedom, rampant corruption, horrible pollution, and an education system that historically has stifled creativity. ¬China does not have better political or economic systems than the United States. In order to sustain its remarkable economic progress, we believe, ¬China will ultimately have to adopt more features of the American system, particularly the political and economic liberty that are fundamental to our success. ¬China cannot go on relying heavily on its ability to mobilize cheap labor and cheap capital and on copying and assembling the innovations of others.

Still, right now, we believe that ¬China is getting 90 percent of the potential benefits from its ¬second-¬rate political system. It is getting the most out of its authoritarianism. But here is the shortcoming that Americans should be focused on: We are getting only 50 percent of the potential benefits from our ¬first-¬rate system. We are getting so much less than we can, should, and must get out of our democracy.
In short, our biggest problem is not that we’re failing to keep up with China’s best practices but that we’ve strayed so far from our own best practices. America’s future depends not on our adopting features of the Chinese system, but on our making our own democratic system work with the kind of focus, moral authority, seriousness, collective action, and ¬stick-¬to-¬itiveness that ¬China has managed to generate by authoritarian means for the last several decades.

In our view, all of the comparisons between ¬China and the United States that you hear around American watercoolers these days aren’t about ¬China at all. They are about us. ¬China is just a mirror. We’re -really talking about ourselves and our own loss of ¬self-¬confidence. We see in the Chinese some character traits that we once had—¬that once defined us as a nation—¬but that we seem to have lost.
Orville Schell heads up the Asia Society’s Center on U.S.-China Relations in New York City. He is one of America’s most experienced -China-¬watchers. He also attended the Tianjin conference, and one afternoon, after a particularly powerful presentation there about China’s latest economic leap forward, Tom asked Schell why he thought China’s rise has come to unnerve and obsess Americans.

“Because we have recently begun to find ourselves so unable to get things done, we tend to look with a certain ¬over-¬idealistic yearning when it comes to China,” Schell answered. “We see what they have done and project onto them something we miss, fearfully miss, in ourselves”—¬that “¬can-¬do, ¬get-¬it-¬done, ¬everyone-¬pull-¬together, ¬whatever-¬it-¬takes” attitude that built our highways and dams and put a man on the moon. “¬These were hallmarks of our childhood culture,” said Schell. “But now we view our country turning into the opposite, even as we see ¬China becoming animated by these same kinds of energies . . . ¬China desperately wants to prove itself to the world, while at the same time America seems to be losing its hunger to demonstrate its excellence.” The Chinese are motivated, Schell continued, by a “deep yearning to restore ¬China to greatness, and, sadly, one all too often feels that we are losing that very motor force in America.”

The two of us do feel that, but we do not advocate policies and practices to sustain American greatness out of arrogance or a spirit of chauvinism. We do it out of a love for our country and a powerful be-lief in what a force for good America can be—¬for its own citizens and for the world—¬at its best. We are well aware of America’s imperfections, past and present. We know that every week in America a politician takes a bribe; someone gets convicted of a crime he or she did not commit; public money gets wasted that should have gone for a new bridge, a new school, or pathbreaking research; many young people drop out of school; young women get pregnant without committed fathers; and people unfairly lose their jobs or their houses. The cynic says, “Look at the gap between our ideals and our reality. Any talk of American greatness is a lie.” The partisan says, “Ignore the gap. We’re still ‘exceptional.’ ” Our view is that the gaps do matter, and this book will have a lot to say about them. But America is not defined by its gaps. Our greatness as a country—¬what truly defines us—¬is and always has been our ¬never-¬ending effort to close these gaps, our constant struggle to form a more perfect union. The gaps simply show us the work we still have to do.

To repeat: Our problem is not China, and our solution is not China. Our problem is us—¬what we are doing and not doing, how our political system is functioning and not functioning, which values we are and are not living by. And our solution is us—¬the people, the society, and the government that we used to be, and can be again. That is why this book is meant as both a ¬wake-¬up call and a pep talk—-unstinting in its critique of where we are and unwavering in its opti-mism about what we can achieve if we act together.

Excerpted from THAT USED TO BE US: How America Fell Behind in the World It Invented and How We Can Come Back by Thomas L. Friedman and Michael Mandelbaum, published in September 2011 by Farrar, Straus and Giroux, LLC. Copyright © 2011 by Thomas L. Friedman and Michael Mandelbaum. All rights reserved.

 
  • Somalia
  • Somalia
  • Somalia

    ” Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
    We’re finally on our own.

    This summer I hear the drumming,
    4 dead in Ohio ”

    -Neil Young

    Let’s hope it’s not another Kent State tommorrow.

  • GrownandYawn

    Can’t wait for this Tom Tom love fest.

    How depressing.  Where’s Mandlebaum?

    The excerpt above smacks of victim-hood ideation.

    It reads like sociol-psycho-economic babel to me.

    Go ahead, discuss it amongst yourselves.

  • Yar

    I believe we are in a generational civil war, one where the average age of the congressional staffer is less than 30 years old and the average congressman is 58.  Inflation is kept artificially low, to protect investment portfolios, while wages suffer from deflation.  We tax only 60 cents out of every dollar spent, and raise that revenue 

    • JustAskin

      I’m glad you’re not working in a NORAD bunker.

      • Steve

        Defcon 2

  • Somalia

    The only thing that can stop this revolution, is ” Winter Cometh”, other then that, there is no turning back these beautiful everyday people occupying Wall Street.

    • Steve

      Occupy and retreat.

      Opt out if you can.
      Choose a target as in military strategy.
      How about starting with BOA or Goldman Sachs.

      Boycott BOA today.
      Just pull accounts/close credit cards ect… until next spring.

      Use your strengths (numbers), do not play to your enemies strengths (power within the system).
      Minimize your own weaknesses (we must learn to take care of eachother).

      This is only a battle, not the war.

    • Steve

      Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

    • Steve

      Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

    • Steve

      Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

    • Dpweber83

      If your predictions of revolution don’t come to pass, what then?

      Will you admit you were wrong?

      -dan
      Boston, MA

  • Somalia

    Speaking of the younger generation, to those who missed woodstock.  Tune in, the revolution is livestreaming, it’s so exciting.

    http://www.livestream.com/glob

  • Somalia

    They floated Woodstock down river to Wall Street and it is beautiful.

  • nj

    Awww, geez, Tom Friedman, again?! How can we miss him when he won’t go away?

    After his relentless shilling for the war against Iraq, it’s not clear to me why anyone takes any of his prognostications seriously.

    Pompous, self-serving, repetitive, wrong…

    Unfortunately, many of the bourgeois “liberals” hold this guy up as some sort of guru. Sad.

    Just Google “Tom Friedman is an idiot.” It’ll produce more interesting material than this show is likely to generate.

    • Dpweber83

      Agreed, wholeheartedly!

      -dan
      Boston, MA

  • Terry Tree Tree

    GREEDY people, that are rich, and insist on keeping that wealth to themselves, are the problem!

      The oilgliarch that prevents re-newable-resource-energy projects, by whatever means they can.  The Banksters, that only create new ways to swindle the working class out of the money and things they worked for.  The corporate CEOs, that run their company into bankruptcy, to  grab their golden parachutes to go ruin another company.  

    • ExpressYourself

      Whoa, Terry Tree Tree you are fired up.  Nice rant.

    • Anonymous

      Or Tommy Friedman himself, whose family borrowed hundreds of billions and then skipped out on the debt.

      • Zing

        Tell me more.

        • Anonymous

          Tommy is married to the heiress of the General Growth Properties fortune. He’s worth about $4 billion give or take. General Growth’s business model was to borrow money from banks and private investors and build mall across the country. Use a little of the cash flow to pay a minimum of the debt (good for avoiding taxes).

          As with Madoff, their borrow and borrow scheme fell apart in the collapse. Unlike Madoff they were legally able to declare bankruptcy and leave all lenders with a burning hole in their pockets. If you don’t think Tommy (who is beloved at the corporate C-level) didn’t know the “family business” inside and out, well I have a mall I’d like you to lend me money to build. 

  • Terry Tree Tree

    Corporate thieves steal and/or stifle innovation, yet are called ‘astute businessmen’.
         Scam artists (THIEVES), start a con of every worthwhile endeavor.  This takes the money away from those actually involved in that endeavor. 

  • Terry Tree Tree

    IF we could wave a magic wand, and eliminate ALL organized crime in the U.S., we could live better than we do, on one-tenth of what we have now!
        This includes the politicians that sell-out to the other organized criminals.

    • Michiganjf

      You don’t need a magic wand… just legalize all victimless crime and “ALL organized crime” will be eliminated quite rapidly.

      Both large AND petty gangs would lose all their “significant” revenue nearly instantly, seriously reducing the appeal for youths… prisons would empty out as the core cause and driver for a culture of violence would be eliminated.

      Cops could focus their efforts on violent criminals exclusively, who we would suddenly be able to afford to incarcerate to full-term.

      Government at all levels would save vast sums in almost every way imaginable, from fewer prisons to fewer cops to less urban blight to NO DEA… taxes could be collected on vice, which in turn could pay for first-rate rehab and anti-drug use campaigns.

      … oh, seriously… one could go on forever about this, and some have… if only people could stop using their heads as “colon corks” we’d all be SOOOO better off.

      • TheMagicWand

        Stop. Please. You are making way too much sense.

        Then why would we need this police state and our penitentiary industrial complex?

        We were just starting to get a good third-world going here.

        How would the criminal justice (grandest oxymoron) system survive?

         

      • Dpweber83

        “all victimless crime”

        Define this term, please.

        -dan
        Boston, MA

      • Zing

        Boolcrapolia

  • Hidan

    ekk,

    Friedman is junk..

  • GetItTogether

    Such a semi-dramatic snoozefest for an anniversary show.

    Hmm, Jack Beatty, now I can picture where On Point’s ‘news’ comes from.

    And you wonder why NPR funding is under fire.

    Where’s Diane Rehm when you need her.

    Way to go ‘Fresh Air’, you were today.

    Come on ‘On Point’, get it together before it’s too late.

    • Michiganjf

      Yeah, that whole 2% would be such a loss to NPR… it’s worth getting rid of just so righties would shut up about their moronic half of the 3 million the CPB gives NPR yearly. The other half is willingly given by “liberal” tax payers.

      • TFRX

        But that’s the thing: Righties don’t want NPR to actually get funding cut. They want to whine about it incessantly to stoke the fires of their base.

        People who actually believe Fox and Rush, accept that as news, don’t know how much or little money is involved. A hobbled, piss-pants-scared of being called liberal NPR is more useful to the right politically than getting rid of it.

        Because as long as NPR is here, Foxholers can always pick at something and drone “even the liberal NPR says…”

    • Anonymous

      I came over here because Diane Rehm is getting bad, provincial, same-old.  Way the best alternative (they’re all on at the same time) is WHYY’s Radio Times.  Best interviewer (incisive, humorous, cool), best guests, best content, and smart callers. Lower profile, no self-inflation or Tom-ish interruptions, and the only anti I can think of is that it occasionally does an hour devoted to local (mid-Atlantic area) issues. TGF sat radio!

      • nj

        Fresh Air has been consistently good, too, of late. Last week Ms Gross was talking to Peter Van Buren (author, We Meant Well) about the FUBAR Iraq rebuilding fiasco. Google it up and be awed and flabbergasted.

        This is the kind of thing one might expect On Point to do if they were actually still on point. But we get Tom F. and Key West. I still want to be a fan, but it’s getting harder.I’ll give Radio Times a listen sometime.

  • Fredlinskip

    TF’s head is flat-the World?- not so much.

  • Anonymous

    no big deal, but from “Olive Tree” on Friedman has fetishized the race to the bottom (for middle class workers anyways).And a small part of what ruined America at teh end of the 20th century was what his family did: borrow billions to build shopping mall culture and then not pay back the loans. Can’t think of a better guide to “Making America Great Again”

  • Anonymous

    no big deal, but from “Olive Tree” on Friedman has fetishized the race to the bottom (for middle class workers anyways).And a small part of what ruined America at teh end of the 20th century was what his family did: borrow billions to build shopping mall culture and then not pay back the loans. Can’t think of a better guide to “Making America Great Again”

  • ripped-off tax payer

    Tom Friedman??  The same Tom Friedman who was completely in favor of America’s disastrous and wasteful invasion of Iraq which was all based on lies, media manipulation and fear-mongering by the criminal G.W. Bush administration.

    I definitely won’t be listening to this interview.

  • http://www.dogoodgauge.org The Do Good Gauge

    How does Tom Friedman measure? In Alan Greenspan‘s own words.

    The true measure of a career is to be able to be content, even proud, that you succeeded through your own endeavors without leaving a trail of casualties in your wake.

    – June 1999, Harvard University Commencement Address

    • notafeminista

      Ok that was funny! 

  • Somalia

    I think the real question is, will the protestors be unprepared and therefore hit a wall when, Old Man Winter Cometh, like Napolean in Russia and the German divisions on the outskirts of moscow in 1941, OR will they dig in and double down like Our Continental Army in Valley Forge 1777.

    Winter decimated Napolean’s continental sweep, and stood down the German’s certain swift victory over the Stalin and the Slav’s brave but futile resistance. 

    They must not under estimate the peril of these crucial logistical challenges.  If you dismiss or have forgotten how brutal Northeastern Winters can be, one only needs to gaze momentarily at Winslow Homer’s masterpiece, Winter Coast, sending an instinctive chill right down to the bone.

    Old Man Winter cometh, Occupy Wall Street, Old Man Winter cometh…
    Let us pray.

    • Anonymous

      Napoleans’ army couldn’t step into Starbucks for a respite from their deathmarch. How much is a macadamia mochalatte on Wall Street these days… 27.95?

      • TFRX

        That depends on how many Fighter Pilots of Capitalism middleman it from the cashier to the end user.

  • Somalia

    Send waterproof blankets or any other similar provisions to the Wall St UPS store at 118 Fulton St, #205. 

  • Somalia

    Or better yet, load up the wagon, bring a friend, and join the brave young revolutionaries

  • Somalia

    It’s our last chance people.  We’re likely to see subdivisions on Antartica, and none of the 99% peasants -of the now neo-feudal penal colony, who were once citizens of the first constitutional republic in the 300,000 yr history of the “enlightened” homo-sapian species- will be able to afford to buy (with or without sub-prime loans), before Obama evolves a spine.

    It’s on us people, right here, right now, lower Manhatten, ground zero, is where we will make our stand.  And if we go down, then at least we go down fighting.  Let it be us, the 99%’s, Wounded Knee, just like our courageous ancient American cousins.

    Cause if we don’t, in 200 yrs, Liberty Plaza will be under water anyways, and our posterity will query, why did they not stand and fight?

    To Occupy, or not to Occupy,.. that is the question.  And I think we know the answer. 

  • Anonymous

    Thomas Friedman is an optimist longing for some kind of myth of American greatness. I’m always worried when I hear words such as this used in context to our nations history. Why? Because it’s a pretty messy history that can conjure up a good list of adjectives but great is not one of the adjectives I would use so much. Yes we have had moments of greatness as a nation but they are not as Friedman is talking about. Those days are over. We had our run and it’s now more about the majority of the population trying to keep their heads above water. For most of our history we have been a nation of entitled white people who used this to degrade others. Blacks, Latinos, Jews, Catholics, and anyone who seems “foreign”.  

    I was just watching Ken Burns’ wonderful documentary on Prohibition and what struck me was how similar some of the Prohibitionist were to the tea party in that they had little room for compromise. That most of them were Republicans and Southern Democrats is also an interesting parallel.
    How it was rife with the Evangelical movement and had a strong anti-Catholic and Jewish sentiment. The KKK was part of this group.
    At the same time it also had the women’ movement. Contradictions.

    What I see in America is a lot of contradictions, with greatness comes ugliness; such as the Jim Crow laws. When African American war heroes came home after WW2 they could not sit where they wanted to on a bus in parts of the country.   

    I’m not a fan of Thomas Friedman and it seems to me that the plutocratic nature of our country is now in full swing. How do we come back from this I don’t know. Right now it seems to me that the social needs of people are being overlooked for the gains and aims of large corporations and this is a given. The politicians do have a clue, that’s for sure.

    • notafeminista

      Interesting points you bring up – and yes Ken Burns is a talent I will agree.  Since you brought up Prohibition and are (at least in part) using it as a bit of a jumping off point I will ask you if you see any similarities between the mindset that brought us Prohibition and gun control?  Or rent control? Or anything really that people think ought to be more regulated by the government.  When one takes the Tea Party to task for “having litttle room for compromise” while at the same time our President is in front of every media outles he can find demanding “pass this bill” (not debate this bill, not discuss this bill, not consider this bill, but…”pass this bill”) implying that no compromise will be considered – it is at best disingenuous.

      • notafeminista

        Pardon…2 “ts” in little and media “outlet”…dang.

      • TFRX

        There is something disingenuous in your suggesting that President Obama hasn’t considered enough compromise with the tantrum-throwing obsrtuctionist Republicans in Congress.

        If you’re bucking to be Friedman’s or Brooks’ replacement, that’s a plus for you.

        • notafeminista

          I think determining whether or not another $447 billion dollars spent on the same policies that have not kept unemployment from increasing is worthy of debate, yes.  Wouldn’t you agree?

          • TFRX

            After the new data showed how the economy was falling off a cliff in late 2008, it’s amazing there’s anything left of the economy.

            How much of the stimulus was tax cuts, and how much of the jobs bill is tax cuts? And where were you when “Deficits didn’t matter”?

      • Anonymous

        I love how people on the right twist things around. Obama spent the better part of two years trying to negotiate with the GOP to no avail.
        You are so off base it’s not even funny. Gun control? I’m all for it and I use to live in Vermont. You can’t hunt with a semiautomatic weapon. 

        Obama is the President, the tea party is a minority inside of the GOP.
        He won an overwhelming victory which gives him a mandate or as GW Bush once said, “political capital”.

  • Gregg

    I prefer Milton.

    • Steve

      Friedman or John?

  • nj

    “Making America great again…”

    Like with the genocide of the native North Americans?

    Or when large segments of the work force worked in sweat shops?

    How about the “greatness” of women not being able to vote?

    Don’t forget slavery, that was great!

    What period of history would Mr. Friedman like to use as the reference point for this alleged “greatness.”

    Stupid premise, stupid guest. He seems to fawn over authoritarian solutions.

    On Point is only on point maybe half the time these days.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    I have 10 bucks in my wallet until tomorrow (payday). Can mister Thomas Friedman donate some of his money to me. 100 bucks can last me until next week. Simple help simple begging can never help a person in America. that’s the facts.

  • Anonymous

    Our problem is US and is China.
    When a US business cannot compete dometically against unfair trade practices facilitated by a world power, and the USG does nothing to shut these practices down until long after numerous companies have been destroyed and countless jobs shipped overseas the USG does not represent US; when outsourcing is encouraged through political inaction, obstructionism and corruption; those politicians do not represent US.

    Americans have to wake up to what started under Reagan and hit a peak under W: the goverenment has been evicerated. 

    At some point Republicans have to face the fact that while we squandered 3 trillion bucks on Bush’s wars, China continued its economic war at full speed. Now is not the time to throw childish tantrams in Congress. China has invaded. They have economic and political beachheads all over and we are slowly being subjugated. Our politicians are the best that can be owned by persons AKA multinational corporations.
    Snap out of it America, this is economic war. The rich have already secured their islands. Corporations have no loyalty to the USA; they have no interest in the US other than as a market place and a tax haven.
    Recovery doesn’t start with retreating to the failed policies of Republicans who gutted regulations which protected us, lowered trade barriers without protecting our jobs, and created the huge debt crisis that they are so eager to ‘fix’.

    • Cory

      Brilliant post.

    • Anonymous

      And with the ability of anyone, including our own leading corporate citizens, to deploy their capital in support of the Chinese economic front, one has to wonder which side some of “us” are truly on.

  • Wauch

    Spare us Mr Friedman your framing of the situation! How did your framing of The War On Terror work out for us? You and David Brooks are completely out of touch st this point and drunk on your accrued influence. Paul Krugman, Joe Nocera, and his predecessor Bob Herbert were the only true liberals in the back page of The Times.
    It’s called The Efficient Market Hypothesis meets complete adherence to globalization! That is why the new normal is so intractable at this point! Capitalism has failed us time and again but you seem completely content with it.

  • http://en-gb.facebook.com/onanov Donald Baxter

    Why dig out this tired old item.  Friedman is the threadbare dishrag that the news shows can’t seem to throw out.

    • http://en-gb.facebook.com/onanov Donald Baxter

      I’ll skip this one and go to Lopate or Rehm this morning :-(

  • Dave in CT

    Some Occupy Wall St. Demands:

    Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

    Demand four: Free college education.

    Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

    Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

    http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

    Lord help us. And I’m an atheist…..

    • Cory

      Yesterday you asked me to outline a plan for government.  Maybe its China.  Elements of the free market with strong long term central planning immune from lobbying and money and special interests.  It’s gonna clean our clock in the coming years.  There is always the argument about reduced freedom, but I’ve always believed that freedom is relative anyway.

  • Dave in CT

    Some Occupy Wall St. Demands:

    Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

    Demand four: Free college education.

    Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

    Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

    http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

    Lord help us. And I’m an atheist…..

  • Anonymous

    Again, we come to the fallacy of a growth economy.  We have had the “Viagra” of oil driving our economy (credit Bill McKibben for this phrase!) and oil is going to run out.  A great many other critical resources are also finite, and we cannot just keep using more and more and more…

    We need to transition as quickly as possible to renewable energy, and we need to figure out how to build a *steady state* economy.  We need to address global climate change, and all the related things like *food* and *water* supplies.

    Only then, will we have a *chance* to prosper, again.

    Neil

  • Erin in Iowa

    The idea that the president is as “radical” as the new republican party is absurd.  Just because republicans only get “98% of what they want” doesn’t mean it’s a compromise.  Mr. Freidman needs to stop pretending that this “middle ground” isn’t there!  Obama is it!  Believe me – I’m a liberal!

  • AC

    wait – disregarding the dredging up of the past wrongs by ‘Americans’, I really don’t want to compare to China – funny I mentioned it just the other day on the ‘lost generation’ show, I’m not sure I want to have their system – I don’t care how shiny the olympic spectacle is if 2 little old ladies ended up booted from their homes and then imprisoned for complaining
    anyway; i’m pasting the other day’s comments here:
    Why do people insist this problem is solely political? You are distracting yourself from the most obvious : Unemployment will continue to rise because the jobs that existed just over a decade ago are now obsolete. Technology has replaced them, we have too many people and no need for them. My husband is one of those whose skills are now unwanted and obsolete, which is a shame since he’s brilliant :) . He continues to try and adjust and find a place for himself, but every field gets narrower and narrower and totally unnecessary.and as for our competitors : These countries are not as unified in their goals or as ‘hungry’ as they seem on the surface. I certainly wouldn’t want to win the Nobel Peace Prize in one of those countries – they’ll not just imprison you but go after your FAMILY. You’ll work & you’ll like it, even if you’re 10. They have ‘work-camps’ to help ‘re-program’ you into a better mood. Others can boot an entire community out to make way for their own profitable projects or endeavors. God forbid you’re an elderly widow, their own children turn their backs & watch them starve (their own fault, they should have thrown themselves onto the pyre if they were righteous and virtuous, no?)People in position, whether through their money or the ‘state’, will use that power. We are eons away from an equalitarian society, not that it’s not a noble goal, but it assumes reason in all, while in my short life, I have met many an unreasonable people. I have seriously been shocked from time to time – not kidding!I think those countries are going to have some rude awakenings of their own this century from their citizens they abuse. And so, the historical pendulum will swing back again, back and forth, back and forth, the bullied becoming the bullies etc, etc, et cetera….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    Friedman mixes common logic with his propaganda.  He has an agenda, is a spin master and a gatekeeper for the irate right wing.

    His warmongering and unrelenting zionist bent has been part of the problem, particularly so since the corporate media gives this maniac so much exposure and credibility.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Couldn’t it be that many of us agree with him?  That’s just too hard for you to believe, I suppose.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

        Wrong again Greg.  The problem is that many people DO agree with this shyster.

        • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

          Friedman may not have all the answers, but he is a good observer of what’s happening.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            I have most of the answers as well, but for some reason, perhaps my perspective, MacMillan nor Simon and Shuster will not give me a cushy advance to write my books.  Nor would I expect a Pullitzer for my particular opinions.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            Hey Greg and TFRX, please excuse my double negative “nor”  -  just noticed it.

  • Dpweber83

    This long-time listener is extremely disappointed that my favorite radio show is giving an hour to Thomas Friedman.  I simply fail to understand how Friedman has maintained any professional credibility after, well, everything he’s been wrong about.

    But I do look forward to hearing what the world’s cab drivers think about really important issues, so…

    -dan
    Boston, MA

    • TFRX

      Study question: If Friedman and David Brooks each got into the same cab, would they come out with anecdotes that were at all similar?

      • http://en-gb.facebook.com/onanov Donald Baxter

        I’ll do you one better.  Throw in Douthat, and I’ll bet they’re all the same guy!

      • Dpweber83

        This is the best Zen koan I’ve heard in a while.

  • Charles A. Bowsher

    It is naive to suggest that “we can outdo China” by the traditional measures. They have no respect for human rights, the environment, or the rest of the world. They are developing our insatiable appetite for the world’s resources and there are three and a half times as many of them. Add to that their ability through centralized control to plan 50, 100 and even 500 years in the future and you might begin to get a notion of our peril.

    Wake up America, POGO was right! We have met the enemy and they is us!

    No third party will ever capture the presidency until we abolish the electoral college, have public finance of campaigns, and runoff elections that require 50% plus one of the votes to have a winner. Count me in as a 99%er

    • Dave in CT

      Can’t tell if you’re making the liberty argument, that free trade with an illiberal county is a fallacy, or the “can’t beat em’, join em” argument for the great “planability” of autocratic Central Planning?

      • Cory

        I agree about China.  No way to beat the cost of their labor.

        • AC

          but we do beat the cost of their labor – We’re still #1 in manufacturing, we just have better equipment and output more for a single worker than 8 of theirs –
          besides, why devalue ourselves? – I think China’s in for a rude awakening when their people rise up against the ‘greedy’ power hounds of state…

          • Cory

            I’ll love it if you are right.

        • GretchenMo

          And they are only getting smarter and capable of more complex manufacturing.

    • notafeminista

      Which is a sure way to make sure the most populous states will control each and every election each and everytime.  Well, no matter..those ‘square states’ (credit George Carlin) in “flyover country” hardly count anyway right? 

  • Dave in CT

    Giant Sucking Sound.  

    • Cory

      We are in agreement.  I wish the messenger would have been someone other than Ross Perot.  When he made the analogy I took notice, but not as well as I should have,

      • Dave in CT

        Cory, that’s going to happen over and over.  The honest messengers will never be as slick, and never have the basket of promises to make it all better if you just give them the power.

        We always shoot the messenger.

  • Grotman

    Mr Friedman. I like you, I like what you say and I like what you think. BUT, I fear that unless you and your colleagues face up to the fact that the American economy is based on the premise of “Capitalism Uber Alles” and that the lack of basic human morals and ethics that are pervasive in our society will ultimately lead to our demise.

  • Anonymous

    Honest.  Listening to Reagan just now made me feel like tossing my cookies.  He is one of the less bearable presidents — was then, is now.

    • TFRX

      If you’re wondering why the media seems to not be able to let him go, that’s because there is an entire wingnut welfare cottage industry dedicated to renaming stuff for him and ret-conning his reputation. Your bearing ability will be tested further.

      • Anonymous

        You’re right, TFRX.  Have a cookie.

  • Dave in CT

    Tom, in a show within the last couple weeks, you essentially said, concluding from a conversation with your guests, that Globalization was just a giant scam on the American People.

    Please re-examine the thought here with Mr. F.

  • Dpweber83

    Friedman just tsk-tsked that we spent most of the last decade “chasing the losers of globalization, al-Qaeda…”

    You’ve got some tremendous balls saying that, Mr. Friedman, after all the cheerleading you did for the Iraq war.

    Gimme an hour with Jack Beatty any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

    -dan
    Boston, MA

  • Anonymous

    I thought that Friedman was clueless when he wrote in The Earth is Flat that outsourcing created jobs such as people who manage outsourcing companies. 

  • Dpweber83

    Hey look, Friedman gets something factually wrong, yet again!

    I’m from Minnesota too: that Wendell Anderson cover of Time didn’t say “The State That Works,” it said “The Good Life in Minnesota”: http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1973/1101730813_400.jpgGodammit, how many times do you get to be wrong before people stop taking you seriously!?

    -dan
    Boston, MA

  • Anonymous

    Will the Q&A with Tom and Jack be aired or put on line?  I’d love to hear that.

  • Dan

    Although  the USA dominated for the fifty years after WWII and our products and services were in worldwide demand, countries that were dependent on us are now our competitors.  Jobs will not come back to this country until our workers wage/benefit package are globally competitive.  With a hundred million new people added to earths’ population every year, this will not happen anytime soon.  The internet has made knowledge available to all.  America will never again totally dominate the economics of the planet.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Interesting point–do we have to dominate to be successful?  Can it be enough to participate and do a good job in the new world?

      • Cory

        That depends on what sort of lives Americans are expected to live.  How low can our standard of be without disaffected folks shooting up their local eatery or school or government office.  Look how Aericans react when asked to make even the smallest of sacrifices.

        • notafeminista

          Sacrificies like looking at our household budget instead of our employer when there isn’t enough money at the end of the month?  Sacrifices like giving up the half-caff double skim venti latte in favor of say…Folger’s?  (Starbucks ain’t only catering to those above 250K you know)..to what sacrifices do you refer exactly?

          • Cory

            All of the above are good examples.  I don’t disagree.  How do you think Americans will respond to the inevitable cratering of their lifestyles?

          • GretchenMo

            Look to the Greeks!  Responsibility blows!

          • notafeminista

            I think they will continue to respond as they have for the last 2.5 years.  Some will look within and figure out a way to get out of the hole they are in, and some will look around and figure out how someone else should get them out of the hole they are in. 

          • notafeminista

            The problem is we have more people looking to someone else to get them out of the hole rather than looking within.

          • Anonymous

            And when big business and its most wealthy leaders become the most prominent member of that group looking to be bailed out and saved from their own risk taking, then we are really in trouble.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    Sure Tom,  lots of “thrust” and great ideas from below,  unfortunately the capital in the US is restricted to a small few, and access to this capital is limited to their good pals and relatives.     Anybody with a real good idea and no money better get ready to be exploited.

  • Dave in CT

    Why doesn’t Mr. Friedman understand that we need to double our debt to set us free? Only when our debt is mathematically impossible to pay back, will we be prosperous again, and able to afford every positive thing the world can offer or we can imagine.

    Living within our means, even when means are contracted is so….1800′s!

    Stop holding us hostage to reality!

    (Please don’t ask him that facetious question, its just fodder for our resident debt lovers, debt deniers, etc.)

  • Scott Webb

    The Chinese character for CRISIS is the same as OPPORTUNITY.  We can’t compete with that!  You see, our forefathers had more in common with the Chinese than with today’s Americans.

  • Dpweber83

    Anyone who saw Friedman on Meet the Press two weeks ago has heard quite literally all of this verbatim.  The man is a broken record.

    -dan
    Boston, MA

    • Christine

      Maybe he needs to keep saying it until the right people listen.   I think he’s dead on.

      • Dpweber83

        Dead on about what?  

        Given his previous record of getting damn near everything wrong, how did he suddenly get so much right?

        -dan
        Boston, MA

  • Robin

    I have a question for Tom Friedman. It seems that the kind of globalization, or more specifically the expansion of neoliberal globalization, that you extolled in Lexus and Olive Tree or The World is Flat is intimately related to the global recession that has got the US where we are. Do you have anything to say about this?

    Robin

  • Dave in CT

    I’m for isolationist self-sufficiency, carrying a big stick, until we get our sh-t together again.  

    We won’t and can’t save the world, and if they do or don’t want liberty and self-governance, free-markets and opportunity, or communist despotism, let them work it out.

    Corporations who will suffer from halting the Globalization scam can stuff it.

    We can grow our food and build our homes. If it means less ipods, so be it.

    We can have our debutante ball in 75 yrs or so if we make it out the other side, and save the world then.

    • Anonymous

      I’d just like equality and the sense of being a citizen of a world in which we are partners, not bullies.

      Not having “won” a war in decades, we always seem to find another war to fight and make us feel strong. Result:  a huge loss of real strength — moral as well as economic and political. 

      If we can grow our and build our homes, we can learn to grow food and build homes for those who can’t do it for themselves, whether here or abroad.  If we can maintain a democracy, we can use our intelligence to incorporate other, better ideas of maintaining a functioning democracy from successful democracies elsewhere in the world. 

      If we can teach, we can learn.  If we can produce, we can share.

      • Dave in CT

        Lets walk before we run.

        Is that so crazy?

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Here’s one problem with education:  It’s tech-obsessed.  Too many gadgets and too little humanity.

    • TFRX

      Where is the balance? You teach–what’s the right amount to where the tool doesn’t become the end in itself?

      I remember when it was a big whoop-te-do that my college got a huge satellite dish and was able to watch one-way presentations beamed from the sky.

      You and I are old enough to be awed by that. My nephews would probably say, “Wow, it’s just like half of Skype, but a jillion times more unwieldly”.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        I look at all the new toys and wonder what actual use they are.  Most of my students can send messages in multiple formats, but they have no clue as to what’s going on inside the black box.  Technological education would teach a student how to take the machine apart, reassemble it, make it work (or work better), and use its potential.  So far, colleges just want to use gadgets to replace classrooms, replace thinking.

        In addition, we have to have computers in every classroom.  Great, although I don’t see how that does my job of teaching better.  What I do see is that we dump liberal arts education for technobabble.  But think about what “liberal arts” means.  They were the arts that a free person needed to know to be a leader.

        • TFRX

          Study question: Now that everything is on the internet and half of it is wrong, which school’s students do you most trust to look up something with the required skepticism of source material: Science, Liberal Arts, or Business?

  • Chucklamark

    Important!  Caveat!  It wont work!  We are at a time when the whole world has to be great!  It’s all or none!  That is my frustrated optimism!!!!

  • Anonymous

    usual government radio and friedman junk.  the guy who spent his career urging degulation and “globalization’, support for right of center politicans, the invasion of irag, that the israel government will agree to a palistentian state, etc, etc, now says that it is OUR fault that that all the above didn’t work but we should still be supporting right of center. 
     

  • Dave in CT

    I cannot stand this arrogant attitude that we can control the economy. And stopping recession, which is a natural and proportional response to our conscious mal-investment and fractional reserve on steroids leverage.

    We brought the recession/depression on with our lack of self-governance vigilance and materialistic, consumeristic sense of entitlement.

    • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

      Do you support helping ordinary citizens who are suffering in the recession?

      • Dave in CT

        What kind of question is that? No. I want everyone to die by acid burns tomorrow.

        What is an ordinary citizen? What is suffering?

        I want accountability to the Wall St/Fed A-holes before I want to see the entire middle-lower class kicked out of their homes that Fannie and Wall St suckered them into.

        If people are homeless, I want simple shelters available. If families can’t afford food, I want them to have access to charity food kitchens.

        And I want some accountability to the Wall St/banking A-holes. 

        But I don’t want to guarantee a living wage to everyone regardless of employment.

        And I don’t think we need socialism in order to punish the Wall St./Banking A-holes and their government enablers.

    • Dave in CT

      You guys hate to hear it, but the difference between the Austrian-style economics and Mainstream economics, is that the former does not buy the illusion that we can scientifically predict how people will act in the economy, and thus then be able to scientifically manipulate it for our benefit.

      The latter simply lets people make their economic decisions, and tries to keep manipulation out of the market that disrupts the price mechanism. It clearly rejects the manipulative creation of the business cycle by central bankers.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Obama ran on the promise of a big aspiration.  Then he met Congress.

    • GretchenMo

      Yes, he was unprepared for governing.

      • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

        Agreed, but he also encountered a Congress that was unwilling to govern.

      • brian parizek

        no, the house/republicans just want him out of office; for most of them, it’s not about the well being of the country.

        • GretchenMo

          Except he had Congress for the first two years, when Congress/Obama were trying everything to ensure he got re-elected, no matter what the impact was to the country in the long-term.

          • brian parizek

            …you’re talking the healtcare plan?  along w/ social security, medicare, and medicaid…it’s another part of the general “safety net” for americans.

          • TFRX

            I’m sorry, my class trip was too busy looking at that loser Norm Coleman’s fingernail marks desperately holding onto Al Franken’s new office into, what, August? to hear something about “Obama had Congress for two years”.

            And a record number of holds and obstructions may have passed your notice.

            He got a ton done with those WATBs in opposition. Imagine how much Tip O’Neill could have wrenched Presdient Reagan. Now imagine that the GOP actually wanted to do some governing after Obama won instead of throwing little tantrums and being coddled by the press.

      • Dpweber83

        If you’re going to suggest that he was unprepared for governing, then you also need to explain how he got so much done: Lily Ledbetter, health care reform, saving the American auto industry, turning GDP growth from -9%/year to +3%/year.  Looking forward to hearing your explanation.

        -dan
        Boston, MA

  • Anonymous

    on Thomas Friedman: Making America Great Again 4 minutes agousual government radio and friedman junk.  the guy who spent his career urging degulation and “globalization’, support for right of center politicans, the invasion of irag, that the israel government will agree to a palistentian state, etc, etc, now says that it is OUR fault that that all the above didn’t work but we should still be supporting right of center.  

  • BHA in Vermont

    Does anyone think that if a 3rd party candidate was elected President that the Republicans and Democrats would support that person’s agenda.

     I do not. The mandate to do nothing seems to be perpetual in DC.

  • Dave in CT

    How does Mr. Friedman see us getting material justice from the Bankers and Politicians who delivered us the financial crisis.

    That they did it, is unarguably true.

    That 0 heads have rolled, is unarguably true.

    So?

    If we can’t hold anyone accountable for the Bush Iraq war we can’t hold Obama’s banking pals accountable?

    Where is the MATERIAL accountability?

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Are tens of millions of voters watching?  If they were and if they kept watching, we wouldn’t be in the situation that we’re in.

  • Dave in CT

    Kooky with respect.

    Clinton’s Fannie Mae agenda was Ross Perot’s agenda?

  • RICH

    We the US can not compete with contries like China and India where they make $12 a week.

    No one talks about that!

    WE NEED FAIR NOT FREE TRADE.  ROSS PEROT SAID “YOU WILL HERE A SUCKING SOUND” OF JOBS.

    IT’S TIME TO DISCUSS THIS MORE

  • Dsheldon

    Would Mr. Friedman include cuts in taxpayer funded medical and retirement benefits for congressmen,senators,teachers,and other government employees in his plan for saving the country?   

  • Keith

    Here is an idea.
    1. All political parties will be required to publish a manifesto prior to election, including Presidential candidates and be held accountable to it. 2. No fund raising will be allowed except from individual party registered contributors.
    3. No corporations will be allowed to back or endorse any candidate.
    4. In order to assist in election costs each political party will be entitled to free TV/Newsprint/Radio/Interent advertising. The total amount of time and space will be equal for all parties, no matter how small they are.

    This removes the influence of corporations and allows the true voice of the individual to make an informed decision on who and or what candidate they want to represent them in Congress and the White House.

    • Dpweber83

      1. All major parties already publish platforms prior to elections.
      2. If this is the rule, why wouldn’t party members simply get rid of their party registration and carry on?
      3. Why not?  Will this be extended to non-profits too?  How about authors, or newspapers?
      4. Not bad.

    • notafeminista

      Point 3 expanded and clarified: No special interest of any type will be allowed to back or endorse any candidate.  This includes non-profits, public and private sector unions, religious and secular organizations, education advocates, health care advocates..any organization with access to any type of funding that might influence any candidate at all.  Period.

    • Cory

      A great start!

    • Dave in CT

      Good luck catching the water.

      Transparency with harsh punishments for hiding seems the only effective way IMO. Protects “free speech”, for those who see it that way, but lets everyone see who is supporting who with what, and the chance the think and vote accordingly.

      We can handle it.

      We just have to be willing to punish malefactors of our system.  We don’t seem to do that anymore.

  • Dave in CT

    Next time, cut out the middle man (Democrat or Republican) and vote for the “Perot”.

  • Dpweber83

    “Move the cheese, move the mouse!” -Thomas Friedman

    Thirteen years ago called, it wants its hot new management platitude back: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese%3F

    Jesus H…

    -dan
    Boston, MA

    • TFRX

      You heard it from me first: He’s only three years away from a Jack Donaghy-like Sigma Six revelation.

  • Dcarp444

    im a 22 year old college student studying  political science and the partisanship in our government and society is scary and our inability to get anything done worries me for our future.

    -dave

  • Csengel

    But would the Tea Party have the clout without the corporate backing of Fox News and the Murdoch empire?

    • notafeminista

      No more than MoveOn.org and HuffPo have clout w/o the funding of Soros and Arianna Huffington.  Good for the goose n all.

  • BD

    Can Mr. Friedman please point out to me who the “extreme left” is these days?  It seems the go-to for “serious” reporters like Friedman to blame the “extremes” but so far I can only see one extreme.

    • Dave in CT

      The extreme left are people with a lack of critical thinking skills who are rightly bothered by our current situation, but are too ideological to look into the mechanistic differences between capitalism and corporatism or State Capitalism and what the invevitabilities are. 

      Instead of doing the hard, pragmatic work of defining and establishing a system of liberty within the rule of law, they go for the simplistic coercive dream of communism or socialism, where the world is a static pie in which we hand out equal pieces, or where there is a magic money tree that we just pluck from to give us all the material security we want.Those are the extremists.  The moderates are almost worse with their default defense of the status quo crony capitalism and centralized, Summers-Greenspan-Rubin-Paulson economic management, that keeps us from both the “best that we can do” reality of liberty and law, or even the feel-good satisfaction of enacting the perfectionist pipe dream of centrally managed prosperity and equal ends for all that is communism.

  • Dave in CT

    Careful what you wish for:

    Some Occupy Wall St. Demands:

    Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

    Demand four: Free college education.

    Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

    Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

    • Cory

      Shoot for the moon, then negotiate.  Never a bad strategy.

      • Dave in CT

        You mean like:

        Capitalism!

        Communism!

        O.K., Crony Capitalism.

    • GretchenMo

      Demand 13:  Forgive the $50 I owe my sister for the blouse I asked her to get at Nordstom’s.

    • AC

      is this true? where did this come from?
      I thought they had their share of kooks, but I thought some things were legitimate.

    • nj

      That’s funny. Dave in CT, who consistently bristles at the suggestion that the hoards of illiterate, racist, dumb clowns that show up at Teabagger Tea Party rallies is in any way representative of the movement as a whole, posts a few “proposed demands” offered by one poster on one Web site and insinuates (by not clarifying the context) that these are “demands” of the wider occupier groups. Many of the 600 comments took issue with some, most, or all of the “proposed demands.”

      How do you say dinsingenuous?

  • Anonymous

    Why is he praising the tea baggers when they made things worse by helping to elect an extreme right wing House? 

    • Dave in CT

      If you’re not going to help, why not get out of the way.

      Being worried about a 14 Trillion Dollar debt is so extreme.

      We can’t walk and chew gum?

      Concentrate on the Banking/Washington Malefactors that brought us the disaster/debt, and build common ground toward accountability and systemic reform that prevents the disgusting mix of Big Government and Big Capital that brought this Corporatist disaster.

      Or waste you time fighting against the establishment GOP (desperately trying to hijack Tea Party energy), which most people are throwing by the wayside along with the establishment Dems.

      • Anonymous

        The teabaggers were a factor in Scott Brown’s victory.  He killed the tax on the banks.  Extreme Republicans and their ignorant pawns aren’t going to make things better.

        • Dave in CT

          If you think regular folk Tea Partiers are being hoodwinked by the bankers, go out and talk to them about it.  If their gut is right, but their head is wrong, why don’t you want to help?

          Saying Teabag is so fun.

          • Dave in CT

            I agree the Tea Party is not as Ron Paul/liberty as I originally thought, and so principles against big banking, government collusion, and being anti-foreign imperialistic/military-industrial complex are not as solid.

            But I think they are still smart enough to know something stinks, and we need all the help we can get to find accountability for the debacle, IMO

          • Anonymous

            Dave, You write as though you believe the partyers are expressing their own beliefs when, as we know all too well,they were coopted early on by Armey/lobbyists and Koch Bros./right wing cranks. 

            Look at how they behave in the House:  lockstep votes, not well-thought-out, individual votes.  You’re talking about people who are pods, not “still smart enough.”

          • Dave in CT

            Cmon. The lockstep voting in the house is a dedicated attempt to reduce the size of government, because a government smaller than today’s is a principle they have.

            Yes its that simple.  They were voted in by people who want the govt to spend less money because they are afraid of the debt.

            You can argue about debt if you want, but to deny a large group of people don’t like it, and want a smaller government, and that the action of the new house members is some right wing conspiracy, seems silly.

            Its exactly what it looks like. People taking a principled stand for smaller government.

            Also, just what did the Tea Partiers believe before they were coopted?  

            They weren’t socialists.  They were barfing at the role that the well-meaning government, and the corrupters of government, had in our financial calamity, and the government/banking cronyism of people in the govt financial class, from Rubin to Summers to Paulson, in pulling the Too Big to Fail crap, and throwing 700 Billion at the whole stinking pile.

            You don’t need a PhD to see what stinks and you don’t have to be a right wing nut to see the Government had a big hand in it.

  • jim

    Here is where we can start bringing back america. Ban all lobbyist groups in america. then we will have the voice of all voters heard in washington, not some rich corporation run by a run ego-maniac.

    • notafeminista

      Or a union president making 800k a year ;)   

  • Carlo

    Obama has missed a lot of chances to ‘change the polls’ – after the Massey energy disaster was wiped off the radar by BP he could have connected the two – the response to ‘job killing regulation’ should be ‘human being killing LACK of regulation – many other moments – Obama needs to get out there every day with new teaching – moments – show how a new gilded age began under GW Bush – talk about the union movement and regulations of the early 20th century – some overreached but the CONCEPT was important – the system was rotten, and it still is rotten – teach the voters about the past and how, with different labels, things are not so different – attack them every night with information

  • Dave in CT

    Tea Party + Occupiers or bust.

    Divide and conquer working like a charm.

    There are points of common ground. Problem is those points go against the status quo elites.

  • Dave in CT

    Thank you Tom on the Gross Globalization question.

  • BD

    It’s hard to take Friedman seriously.  It’s more platitudes than facts and very broad generalizations rather than specific examples.  

  • A worried mom in CT

    Would Mr. Friedman consider running for president?  He’s got my vote!

    • Dpweber83

      Jesus, really?

  • Dave in CT

    Excuses.

    We are victims of inevitable step changes.

    B.S.

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    He’s right that we can’t stop globalization without global revolution.  Show how do we “cushion the worst”?

  • Walter Simpson

    Come on Tom!  The tea party phemonenon does not demonstrate people power.  It has been so successul because of Koch Brothers funding and championing by Faux News and to a lesser extent by other corporate media (not sympathteic to your agenda). 

    Also, a third party candidate would be a sure way to elect a Republican President which would be anathama to your agenda.  Let’s admit that’s a big problem. 

    • Anonymous

      Walter, you’re dead right on point one.  But as to a third party candidate now, I’m not so sure. Whether a third party candidate were to win or lose would depend largely on her/his ability to raise the half billion plus that it now takes to buy — I mean win — the presidency. 

      I’ve been a long-time Obama supporter, but I admit I don’t know whether the clincher in his victory was political support or money.  I don’t know any of us knows how much our vote is determined by money spent to persuade us.  Probably much more than most of us are willing to admit. 

      I’m not so sure a Republican would benefit from a third candidate. The way people feel about Republicans these days, the only true partisans left are so entrenched that if their favorite candidate ate a live puppy on camera, they’d still vote for him.

  • AC

    because China doesn’t  believe in intellectual property rights

  • Dave in CT

    Hmmmmmm. U.S, with the greatest stock of natural resources on earth, especially if we make an effort at energy efficiency, cannot afford to be self-sufficient or we will become Sudan?

    Who is he working for?

  • http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp

    Friedman’s argument years ago was that globalization would ultimately raise all boats, but how we get to that beautiful future is unclear.  There looks to be a lot of suffering in between.

    • AC

      yes. it’s a weird period in history. they’ll study what we did and i hope we don’t look toooo dumb as we try this, or that and then something else

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

    Tom Friedman says ” its never been so easy to start a job”

    I look closely at the new business starts in the US.  And quite frankly,  I’ll restate my previous post.  Access to capital is limited to a select few.

    • notafeminista

      Access to capital is limited to those who have a proven record of paying said capital back. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

        Oh Really,  where were you during the bailout??  

        And these days the chosen people with that “proven record” are not part of the 90% underclass whose ability to provide proof is waning ever further.

        • notafeminista

          I was right here..and you know what I was doing during the bailout?  Putting myself through college on the “pay as you go” plan.  I worked 60 hours a week and commuted an hour a day to class (30 min ea way) and I graduated w/a BA in 4 years and no debt.  What were YOU doing? An earlier post mentioned see how Americans bridle at the smallest sacrifice.  90% of the American population wouldn’t know sacrifice if it bit them on the nose.  They want there to be NO consequences for their actions. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

            Well Notafeminista,  you were actually OVERPAYING-as-you-go, since college tuitions have increased exponentially with the banking bubble on govt backed college loans.    You should have put your money in gold or silver.  Because the rest of your class mates got low interest loans which they will pay in the future with deflated dollars or just default on.

            If you majored in finance, you will understand my previous post. I understand you sacrifice, but bankers and the top ten dont have to sacrifice, and the rags to riches stories are far-er and fewer.

          • notafeminista

            No, rags to riches stories aren’t “far-er and fewer”.  What they don’t do is sell newspapers.  Haven’t you heard?  It is significantly more fashionable to be a part of the noble poor.  Since clearly you are not part of the top ten, it is my guess that you have no earthly idea what the top ten do or do not sacrifice and you assume that since they have money life must all be sunshine and roses despite the fact that since time immemorial we have been assured of two things: 1)The love of money is the root of all evil and 2)Money can’t buy us happiness.  I’ve never really understood given those two maxims how the class warriors have justified or reconciled their grabbiness for other people’s wealth and property.

          • TFRX

            Your epxerience, as worthy as it is, and valid (I’m not calling you a liar) is going against the fact that economic mobility in this country has gone down significantly in the last ~1/3 of a century. Those “rags to riches” experiences are farther and fewer between.

          • notafeminista

            PS: You didn’t answer the question.

    • twenty-niner

      On the contrary, there hasn’t ever been a better time to start a business. When I graduated engineering school, right about the time the internet was taking off, CAD and CAE (computer-aided design and engineering) was done on UNIX workstations costing many thousands of dollars running software that often cost more. Now, a significantly more powerful workstation than the ones I used as a student can be built for under a thousand dollars, running free (or at least affordable) software.

      The internet has brought about a great democratization of information and capital goods. Choose almost any topic, and information that once required attending a University or significant work experience can be had free of charge, delivered to your home instantaneously 24 hours a day. Further, sites like Ebay and Craigslist have created a massive marketplace for capital goods, resulting in the ability to purchase machinery that was once well out of the reach of individuals and small businesses for pennies on the dollar.

      This is the golden age for the self-funded garage startup. I’ve done it along with many others, and encourage anyone so inclined to take the plunge.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Caruso/1778940602 Paolo Caruso

        Tell us how you got your financing, partners, investors..etc.

        BTW I am speaking of access to capital,  as in access to funding – not capital goods, nor intellectual capital..

        • twenty-niner

           Tell us how you got your financing, partners, investors..etc.

          I spent a couple of years in the early 00′s shopping a business plan for a software product, and talked to quite a few angel investors. Some angels are willing to make poker-chip bets, if you’ve got a good idea and a prototype, others want to see at least some early sales to prove that a market exists. In the end, I wrote the software in a basement apartment on my own dime, living (if you can call it that) on savings and credit cards.

          The next startup I did with a buddy, and we both put up our own cash.

          Bottom line, from my experience, no one is going to fund a proof of concept. My advice is start small and work nights and weekends, on your own dime. Once you have a concept, the next step is to start talking right away to potential customers, and get feedback. You’d be surprised as to how helpful they can be, especially early on; and depending on the idea, you might be able to book sales before you actually have a finished product. A lot of people are willing to buy alpha and beta products, long before they’re polished, if it solves a problem that can’t be solved otherwise. Check out: http://www.kickstarter.com/ (and some of the other crowd-funding sites)

          Tell me what you want to fund. I’m happy to offer my 2 pennies.

  • Four Elements

    Something is not ringing true here. After a pretty clear and penetrating analysis of the problem, Friedman suddenly decides to be optimistic? He is missing two huge realities. (1) There is no growing out of these problems because growth is simply not an option any more. There is no longer a virgin continent in which to expand, so there is no longer the possibility to create broadbased wealth and lift all boats. And (2) If there really is such positive potential down at the grassroots, it can never change the national situation. The massive inertia of this trickle up system is proof against any change from below. It is a system too big too succeed. Only if it breaks up into smaller, more human scale units can the decline of living standards be reversed. And that breakup will be ugly.
    Getting laughs with glib aand clever remarks from a gullible audience may be satisfying, but it does not move anything forward. If he reeally wants to get action, he better scare us, not amuse us.

  • Dpweber83

    Come ON!  Friedman says that building in China is “inevitable in this world,” yet he demands that Obama “stop reading polls and start changing polls.”

    Which is it, Tom?  If Obama can just snap his fingers and change the polls, then surely he can make it so that manufacturing in China isn’t “inevitable”…right?

    Do you ever take a second and listen to yourself?  Just grab a tape-recorder and walk around with it for a whole day, I think you’ll be surprised by some of your phrasing…

    -dan
    Boston, MA

    • TFRX

      His job isn’t to listen to himself. It’s to not say anything to get him kicked off the media’s Rolodex. Don’t spoil the cushy gig he has!

      And if I wanted to devote the time to it, I’m sure we could find him (and Bobo) writing at least one column praising Shrub for being a leader who never consulted polls before making decisions, thereby leading with his gut.

      History shows this conceit to be wrong, and yet continually spread across the media which Friedman won’t risk falling out of.

  • snathan

    Tom Friedman is seriously damaging my calm. Why o Why would you get Tom Friedman on your 10th anniversary ?

    People like Tom Friedman were the biggest cheerleaders of reckless globalization rather than passive observers.

  • Jeff

    Thomas Friedman, you need to run or become more politically involved. You have more than just a clue.

  • Anonymous

    Insisting on fair trade will not turn us into North Korea.  This is as silly as his far left straw man from earlier in the show.

  • Dave in CT

    Wow.  

    US is North Korea if we don’t let Globalization race us to the bottom.

    There is that little thing about a Constitution and our values, not to mention our natural and human resources.

    There is no shame in some isolationism while we get ourselves together.  Just losses for multinationals.

    • Cory

      Dave, we are sympatico today and it is wierding me out a little.

      • Dave in CT

        I love you man.

  • Cory

    Lots of great, thoughtful comments today.  Really enjoying them.  I’d like to add a thing or two.

    1.  Somebody ought to define “great”.  Any one who seeks 1955 America is going to be disappointed.

    2.  The real crime in all this is all the politicians over the past 30 years who have trotted out the tired old “America’s best days are still ahead” tripe, when they likely knew what was ahead.  Instead of preparing us for coming challenge and hardship, they told us everything would be fine.  Now it is obvious and can no longer be hidden, and we are told we can’t retire, go to the doctor, or expect a decent future for our kids.  Someone will pay, and it may not be those who really deserve it.

    • AC

      i agree w/number 1. i still hope for #2 myself….but i’m really good at self-deception ;)

  • Anonymous

    The dishonesty and disembling goes on and on.  no, freidman you didn’t invent globalization.  But you DID urge the various treaties that legitimized sending industry to countries that pay workers $1 perday, prohibit actual unions, polute both workers and the environment and you supported deruglation of the financial institutions that ripped off the economy  Now you want us to support the anti-social security, anti-medicare and anti-unemployment policies of simpson/bowles.

    You go freidman; you go government radio!!!!

    • Dave in CT

      They argued that “free” trade had to go first, to bring “free” societies.  The only thing that was free, was the money for transnationals and the political coffers of their supporters.

      It has to happen the other way around. Free countries, then free trade.

      We paid for a Promise of other peoples freedom, that never came. What a scam on us, and on the oppressed in other countries.
       

  • Dave in CT

    100% public transparency for all political donations, and all lobbying visit conversations/communications.

    You will never stop money going where it want to go.  So lets at least track it, and let the people decide who is acting in who’s interest.

  • Tai L

    I heard Tom Friedman’s summary this morning and believe he misses the root issues, mistaking symptoms for causes.  Clyde Prestowitz in “The Betrayal of American Prosperity” does a tour de force of root causes.  Can’t summarize it all here, but a few examples: recent generations didn’t just turn into consumers by themselves, the US government deliberately and consciously set policies after WW2 that converted us from a producer nation to a consumer nation (one small policy example: taxes on savings account interest, but tax deductions for consumer interest — though that deduction is now finally stopped).  Consumerism may have been a temporary necessity to keep the post-war economy from crashing, but it’s been a terrible long-term strategy.  

    Think the “free trade” argument is new?  The nation’s founding fathers read Adam Smith and at first many bought into his ideas.  Then they saw that Smith’s ideas helped the consumer (only) in the short run, but did nothing to help a nation build and advance its own productive capacity.  Even Jefferson did an about face, erecting stiff tariffs to protect and help grow selected domestic industries.  President James Monroe also came to his senses and turned away from “free” world trade: “Whatever may be the abstract doctrine in favor of unrestricted commerce, that doctrine rests on two conditions — international peace and general reciprocity — which have never occurred and cannot be expected.”    So what’s changed today?  Why do we practice free trade with nations who by any rational measure are predatory cheaters?  The cost to us of “free” trade has been steep.  Other than temporary, low Wal-Mart prices and fast-buck financial “industry” froth profits, what have we gained?

  • Kherefordv

    Tom Friedman for President!!!

  • Modavations

    After four days of listening to BBC1,2,3,4,I arrived in Boston with a severe case of” limpwristosis”.I finally took off the splints and went for a run.After Mr.Freidman,my hands look like wilted flowers.I can’t pick up my coffee.

    • Anonymous

      How are you typing?

      • notafeminista

        With a pencil in his teeth.  C’mon man…think creatively!  ;)

        • Modavations

          It’s a known fact that Liberals are of lesser IQ ,then Laissez faire types..Word……….

          • Dave in CT

            perhaps why non-coercive libertarianism never takes hold, and despotic socialists keep popping up throughout history.

          • notafeminista

            Apparently less able to think outside the box anyway….

      • Modavations

        Mi secretario

      • nj

        Given his inability to punctuate a sentence correctly, i’d guess he’s banging his head against the keyboard.

    • TFRX

      You write about it so often, I’m wondering if your limpwritosis is terminal.

      • Modavations

        I’m loaded.I’ll buy wrist implants

  • Modavations

    Mr.Freidman is the classic Limosine Liberal.He lives in a 12,000 estate.How many light bulbs does it take to illuminate this manse?

    • TFRX

      He’s a liberal?

      You really need to get out more.

      • Modavations

        He writes for the NYTimes.Case closed.

        • TFRX

          You really need to get out more.

    • notafeminista

      Wellllllllllllll   he’s using CFLs and LEDs I’m sure…an enlightened fellow like him…

      • Modavations

        And how are the private jets illuminated?

        • notafeminista

          Why with the glow of the knowledge that they know better than anyone else ;)

          • Modavations

            Mantra of the effete elite::::Do as I say,not as I do.

    • Cory

      Do he and Al Gore have to share a tent down by the river for their ideas to be taken seriously?

      • Modavations

        They are sharing a tent at the demonstration.

    • nj

      What the hell is a “12,000 estate”?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340528331 Alex Gutmann

    Not sure why most are such a downer. Many things he said are true, and some of the ideas aren’t bad. We have to learn to take some good ideas and not discard people with some ideas that we disagree with.

    • Four Elements

      Maybe because Friedman doesn’t seem for real, like he wants to get attention and applause more than he wants to make a difference?

  • Four Elements

    Good job, Tom (Ashbrook), not falling for Tom (Friedman) while remaining polite.

  • Modavations

    Mr.Freidman loves all our middle east adventures.He loves solar,wind power,etc,.If we would “drill baby drill”,we could turn our backs on that morass.We could starve the tyrants who use our oil receipts to fund terror.He should have suggested we invade Alberta for the oil shale.

    • Cory

      Do you suggest tapping domestic petroleum sources and withholding their sale on the world market?  Require them to be used only for domestic purposes?

      • Modavations

        Flood the markets,the price plunges,the locals revolt and overthrow the tyrants

  • notafeminista

    Y’know…something’s occurred to me (sort of a smack the forehead moment) ..when did America STOP being great?  Listen to some folks on this forum and America was never great (slavery,discrimination,genocide of the Native Americans ad nauseum).  Listen to other folks and there’s no point in America trying to be great (do we have to dominate why can’t we just participate).
    And yet, look at the diversity in this forum alone..and the opportunities (still) afforded to us each and every day and the freedoms that we (still) enjoy.  Are we sure America STOPPED being great?

    • Modavations

      This is a golden age!!!!!!!!!!

  • Modavations

    You would have to cover three, mid western states in Windmills,to get the juice produced from one good, “deep water” well.

  • Modavations

    Whose mansion wastes more electricity,Al Gore’s or Tom Freidmans.

  • Modavations

    Any Republican, at that debate ,who had raised his hand,was a “dead man walking”.As a lead propagandist of the left,you are fully cognizant.

  • Four Elements

    Important topic and lots of great comments. Seems ironic but fitting that following a show about what we really need to pay attention to is a fluff piece on Key West. Oh well, back to our normal trivia….

  • Modavations

    His wife’s families real estate business ,was the biggest real estate bankruptcy in U.S. history.General Growth Properties(?).

  • Modavations

    Thomas,Thomas,at the NYT they use superlative “blow”.They don’t sniff glue!!!!!!!!

  • Modavations

    Maureen Dodd would demolish you in a “hand wrestle”,toute de suite

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    I am going to Boston today to protest and to join the thousands of “Occupy” protestors. Writing my anger here will not make things better for me and America.

    In my own experienced in the 1986 people power revolution in the Philippines. Being silence will make a country great, marching and protesting will make a big difference. I am going back for being an activist for human rights. just like what I experienced during my college days in Manila. The first quarter storm and People Power.

    • Modavations

      May I suggest a contigent visit the house of Barney Frank.He’s as culpable as anyone.

    • Dave in CT

      Ask people if they understand the difference between capitalism and corporatism.

      http://reason.com/archives/2008/09/24/corporatism-not-capitalism

      • Four Elements

        Is there a difference any more?

        • Dave in CT

          ?

          The point is there is a vast difference, and we have Corporatism.

          Instead of being Democratic Party shills, people should realize what their favorite half of our 1 party rule has been doing to deliver us to corporatism, under the socialist utopia guise of delivering us from capitalism

  • Dave in CT
  • moose1

    Forget Friedman. Get Chris Hedges and/or Mark Blyth.

  • Modavations

    Mr.Freidman,not only did Solyendra piddle away 550million,they asked for another 400million.

  • Modavations

    Thomas,not one more penny in taxes,cut,cut,cut.Show me one govt. program that ever went away.As Mr.Obama said:::There are 5 agencies for Salt Water Salmon and another 5,for when they enter fresh water.We spent 13,000 per annum on our kiddies education and we get the ninnies at the Wall Street protest.Not one could tell you the location of the Hague.

  • CriminalElite

    Have I been asleep too long or has this news already hit the mainstream media outlets:

    Koch brother’s trading with the enemy?

    The leading financiers of the Tea Party movement were last night
    attempting to rebut claims that a portion of their wealth comes from
    secretly doing business with the most un-American trading partner
    imaginable: the hard-line government of Iran.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/billionaire-koch-brothers-in-the-dock-over-trades-with-iran-2365181.html
     

    • Modavations

      I’ll check it out,but Labor Unions gave $400millionish to their Dem.Overlords ,last cycle.

      • LookItUpToby

        Do your homework… check yesterday’s post replying to GretchMo’s same inaccurate statement:  Unions contributed only $74.5 Million to Obama’s 2008 campaign – one tenth the total $745 Million.

        Where do you posers get these erroneous figures from? 

        Is there a bs well you dip into, or some central source of crap?

        • Modavations

          Afscme=87.5 mill.
          SEIU=44 mill.
          Teachers Unions=40 mill.
          AFL-CIO(just the midterms)50 mill.
          and on and on

          • LookItUpToby

            We are not stupid.
            Where is your source?

          • Modavations

            I don’t do others home work

        • Modavations

          Good dodge.I said donated to Dems,not Obama

    • Modavations

      Just checked.No legitimate news souurces,just the panting and frothing from Huff Post and the “usual suspects”.I’ll report back when my “research staff” has details.

  • Modavations

    Mr.Obama,you demand a vote on the new jobs bill and Mr. McConnel said let’s go.Unfortuneatly Harry Reid has said,”not so fast”!!!!!!!!!By the way,there’s a bank run in Europe,as we speak.

  • kit

    what would happen if we institute 1% tax on all transactions:

     a tobin tax at 1%

    Income tax at 1%

    Sales tax at 1%

    Capital gains tax at 1%

    ECT… so all transactions are taxed at the same rate?

    • Modavations

      What would happen if we skip the tax increases and cut across the board 5%,for 5 years.I took a 30% pay cut last year and am still standing

  • LookItUpToby

    In addition to detailing the sales to Iran, the documents suggest the
    company paid illegal bribes in six countries between 2002 and 2008 to
    win contracts in Africa, India and the Middle East. It allegedly then
    sacked a compliance officer who complained to superiors about the
    practice. Some of the paperwork is described by Sara Sun Beale, a
    criminal law professor at Duke Law School, as a “smoking gun”. It
    includes communications in which Koch employees admit that their
    “activities constituted violations of criminal law”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/billionaire-koch-brothers-in-the-dock-over-trades-with-iran-2365181.html

    • Modavations

      Unions bribed their Dem. overlords to the tune of 400mill.ish,last year

      • LookItUpToby

        Still waiting for your bogus source on that $400 Million number.

        Just because you keep repeating something doesn’t make it true.

        Here’s mine:

        Since 1990, labor unions have contributed over $667 million in election campaigns in the United States, of which $614 million or 92 percent went to support Democratic candidates. In 2008, unions spent $74.5 million in campaign contributions, with $68.3 million going to the Democratic Party. Already, unions have contributed $6.5 million to the 2010 elections, and $6 million has gone to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics in Washington, D.C.

        http://www.aier.org/research/b

      • Guestworker

        They don’t have enough money to bribe, they just think they have to play in that arena — casue if they were able to bribe, then workers would be better off in this country. Didn’t happen. To know who is really doing the bribing, you need look no further than those that made record profits and will be the beneficiaries of all of the policies being talked about — including cutting public sector jobs and cutting social security — look at Koch bros, and wall street — now that is where the real money is and that is who tea partiers and the most polititians are worshipping and for whom they doing their bidding.

  • Mattyster

    Obama doesn’t need to go to the center.  He’s already in the center and keeps compromising farther to the right.  Why do people keep calling him ‘liberal’?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    We are almost on a Double Dip Recession. I am just waiting for Greece to totally collapse and the world will follow. (still here going to Boston soon) There is no solution there is no way out. Global economic collapse is Inevitable. Goodluck to everyone of you who are struggling. We will struggle more in the future or soon.

    • Modavations

      We never came out of the first one

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

        that’s why it is double dip. dipping the potato chips twice on a dip before we can eat it.

  • NoMoreProofNeeded

    Why isn’t the Koch Brother’s ‘trading with the enemy’ on every national news source?

    Because the “Liberal Media” is a lie. 

    Media is owned, operated and controlled by an ‘extreme-right-wing elite clique’ who misinform and manipulate public opinion for their own anti-democratic agenda.

    The reason this story is not making headlines is your proof.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    The media will contribute to America’s demise. It was predicted and now it is happening.

  • EliteRule

    You don’t hear economists talking about this type of ‘invisible hand’.

    Here’s some more interesting info on the Koch’s from a fascinating article in the New Yorker last August.

    From this article you will learn how the elite maintain their power and wealth while controlling the political agenda and manipulating public opinion:

    Kochs: Covert Operations 

    Oddly enough, the fiercely capitalist Koch family owes part of its
    fortune to Joseph Stalin. Fred Koch was the son of a Dutch printer who
    settled in Texas and ran a weekly newspaper. Fred attended M.I.T.,
    where he earned a degree in chemical engineering. In 1927, he invented
    a more efficient process for converting oil into gasoline, but,
    according to family lore, America’s major oil companies regarded him as
    a threat and shut him out of the industry. Unable to succeed at home,
    Koch found work in the Soviet Union. In the nineteen-thirties, his
    company trained Bolshevik engineers and helped Stalin’s regime set up
    fifteen modern oil refineries. Over time, however, Stalin brutally
    purged several of Koch’s Soviet colleagues. Koch was deeply affected by
    the experience, and regretted his collaboration.http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
     

    • Modavations

      Stalin,Mao,Pol Pot,Hitler,Fidel are the high priests of the left.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

        EXACTLY. in the Philippines we call our politicians 3 types.
        Leftist – Communist, Centrist – Neutral , Rightest – like Soldiers.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

          Rightest like the Reform Armed Movement. Filipino soldiers that wants to have military junta.

        • FollowTheMoney

          And where does the money come from that supports these factions?
          And who do you suppose controls the sources of financial support?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

            The money comes from the Filipino people and some 6 percentager politicians – defined as local politicians like Mayors, Governnors or Congressmen. pockets 6 percent of the money that was intended to built bridges or roads. They use that money to do harm against the government.

      • BelieveYourLies

        Do some research.  Read some history, not in the textbooks. 

        All dictators are financed by bankers and maintain their power by behest of the elite that install them. 

        When they have served their purpose, become unmanageable or a new method of control is deemed necessary, they are allowed to be ‘retired’. 

        • Modavations

          NAZI=National Workers Socialist Party.You’re getting your politics from Comic Books

        • Dave in CT

          Indeed, read history.

          The Socialist Roots of Naziism

          http://lamar.colostate.edu/~grjan/hayeknaziism.html

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

          Marcos got his money from the IMF and rent from the 2 US bases in the Philippines. Filipinos call it rent but the American government call it Aid.

      • Cobkar

        actually, their actual policies and practices align them closer to the right — all about taking away civil rights and concentrating power — that’s what you do when you try to make “government smaller” — you cut out the people and concentrate the power.

        • Dave in CT
          • Cobkar

            Not really. Though, Hitler was in favor of universal healthcare and good education — he only favored it for a few. He outlawed labor unions, worked with big industrialist to create big profits for them for their support and led with policies that were focused on hate and fear — extrem racism and hatred led his policies. Oh, and he used the military to get his way and enforce his rule of law. He concentrated the power of the government into the hands of the few and clearly took away civi rights of (or just murdered) the many. Mostly he was just plan crazy, but it is funny how the Tea Party candidates are pushing a lot of these same things — benefits only for the few, kill labor unions, let big corporations get bigger, hate brown skined people… you get the picture.

          • Dave in CT

            You describe totalitarianism well, but I think I’ll take Nobel laureate and contemporary of the era Hayek’s description of the role of socialist thought in leading to Hitlers rise.

          • notafeminista

            Do you have a source for your information?  I’d like a look.

  • GMG

    Tom Friedman was a willing part for the Iraq propaganda machine, and I am skeptical of the value of his opinions.  They usually seem to be little more than conventional wisdom, presented with a kind of glib artifice. 

  • Nothing new under the sun

    I found it interesting that Mr. Friedman talked about the need for better teachers, parents, students, communities, corporations, but not better media. I find that all the media prophets whether it’s Friedman or Limbaugh or Oprah or countless others that have all the answers for a frightened citizenry never seem to admit their own collusion in this mess.
    Why are the politicians out fundraising- to pay media to put out their message.  Is the NY Times or any other media, local or national, going to offer free ads? Don’t think so.  The media in general has made a killing in the turmoil and all of the media prophets have become more and more wealthy as they fight it out among themselves in trying to gain ascendency.  Of course they couldn’t do it without all those advertisers who pay them to get people to spend on their products.
    And let’s not forget about the massive special interest that the media itself represents, whether it’s FOX or anyone else, corporate media has just as much revolving door special interest in politicians as the energy companies do.
    Politicians pimp themselves out to the media, the Teaparty has pimped itself out to the media, so if a third party candidate does ever show up they won’t be able to do anything without buying off the media in either access or money.
    It’s too bad that Mr. Friedman and the like, includung those on the Conservative side, have become so enamoured of their own stardom.

  • Chrisb256

     Maybe they should reset the political system, laws and economic systems back to when things were thriving and growing? I think that all of the “progress” that has been enacted in the past forty years has actually thrown us back. America’s greatness came from its people, not from its government. I think that the answer to this problem is more freedom and less government. The struggle to shrink the growing gaps is part of the problem and only makes people lazy and more dependent on the government. I will say it again, this country is great because of individuals. Government laws have things so constrained that individual liberty is a thing of the past… Bring back the individual and you will bring back American Greatness… Leave the social engineering and government tinkering in individual lives behind.

  • Anonymous

    Thomas Friedman is telling some lies here. Social Security is solvent for the next 30 years and the fix is simple: raise the contribution rate to at least 250K or more.

    He’s a Simpson Bowles guy, sums it up for me he’s full of crap.
    It’s easy for him to talk about SS when he’s a millionaire. I’ve had it with rubes like this. Shame on On Point, you should have had Robert Reich on.

    • Modavations

      Until Johson raided the S.S Trust fund,it was filled with interest bearing instrumenets.Now it’s filled with utterly worthless IOU’s

      • Anonymous

        Wrong a always bud.

        • StillWaiting

          Never sites his sources or responds to a righteous reply.

          No credibility.  No manners.  No value.

          A shill, A rube, A waist of time.

          That’s Modavations.

      • Cobkar

        Urban myth, never been raided. Still invested into Gov. bonds. Can’t believe what you hear on fox news.

        • Modavations

          Not worth the paper they’re printed on

          • Cobkar

            Still one of the best and safest investments in the world.

          • Modavations

            moths fly out of the lock box each time it’s opened

          • Anonymous

            Why are you advocating that the federal government default on its promise to future SS recipients while, at the same time, honoring its identical obligation to wealthy and corporate owners of its bonds?  That is what you are calling for, correct?

          • Modavations

            negative

          • Anonymous

            Deceitful or ignorant?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

        IOU only belongs to the local government of California. Tax payers in Massachusetts always get their tax refund. move to another State. leave the sunshine state that never let the sun shines on you but will shake you up during tremors.

      • Anonymous

        T bills are worthless!?  A lot of rich folks, not to mention the country of China, are going to be really pissed off when they find out about this.

        • Modavations

          You must have missed Bush’s wanting to take 1 trillion and put it in real bonds.You must have missed Mr.Gore’s “lock box”.The 2.5 trillion surplus funds, have been replaced by” Special issue”securities.You can’t sell them in the open market.In other words the 2.5 trillion in surplus funds aain’t there bro.

    • StillWaiting

      Social Security has been used as a slush fund for decades.

      Friedman is irrelevant and is just a filler for our ‘propaganda media complex’.

      Shame on On Point is right.

      Still waiting for NPR to report the Koch brother’s ‘trading with the enemy’ story.

    • Modavations

      Why are you so afraid of hearing alternative points of view.You are proof that the left is not open minded,nor tolerant

      • Anonymous

        Facts are stubborn things. Do you understand what that means?
        Apparently not. A lie is a lie, period. It’s not an alternative point of view. Open minded, tolerant? You might try to practice what you preach. I’m tolerant up to a point, but I do not have patience for ignorant fools.

      • Bill Cash

        it’s fully solvent for the next 25 years. All you have to do is raise the cap. It’s been the most successful program in the history of oiur nation.

  • StillWaiting

    Still waiting on comments from the denizens about this explosive article below and why isn’t this causing headlines all over the mainstream media:

    Charles and David Koch, the prominent billionaires who fund a string of
    influential conservative think-tanks, stand accused of selling tens of
    millions of dollars worth of petrochemicals to Tehran, despite a
    longstanding US trade embargo against the nation that the former
    President, George W Bush, dubbed a pillar of his “Axis of Evil”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/billionaire-koch-brothers-in-the-dock-over-trades-with-iran-2365181.html

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

      they said money is not the root of all evil. it is Oil that causes a lot anarchy all over the world.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QME6C6XTBAYFEJP2GYDH3VQEMU Beat

    Social Security will never disappear. it will destroy the fabric of the American people. it will be with us for the rest of history not a lot of money but it will stay with us. solvency is not delusional

    • Modavations

      Dude they just raised it from 65 to 67 and Medicare is mmuch less viable

    • Bill Cash

      it’s the best thing that ever happened. it’s kept a tremendous amount of older people out of poverty and it’s fully funded for the next 25 years.
      let’s hope it never disappears.

  • Anonymous

    I came away from this show with a comment for Mr. Friedman.
    With all due respect the middle and working classes of this nation have been making sacrifices for the last 30 years in flat wages. It’s the height of hypocrisy when I hear a millionaire tell people like myself that I have feel some of the pain with cuts to services. Friedman knows all to well that the likes of him who does not depend on SS, will feel no pain whatsoever. While retired school teachers such as my 82 year old mother will. The more I listened to this show the more anger I felt. Simpson Bowles is and was a shame and an insult to the majority of Americans who have worked hard and payed into SS.

    • Dave in CT

      Both parties sold us down the river with the race to the bottom in the name of bringing the world out of despotism or poverty or whatever.

      The majority of Americans were uneasy with this, and Perot screamed and charted about it.

      But of course our heartstrings were tugged by Clinton, as of course we all need to do our part to lift the world out of poverty.

      Again, the only beneficiaries were the crony transnational corporatists who supported the legislators and the world bankers who got to underwrite all the new transactions.

      They didn’t mind our credit card payments as we became poorer either. Thanks for the credit card legislation Hillary.

      • Modavations

        You understand that all the credit card co.s and banks,are incorporated in Delaware,home of Herr Biden.

        • Zing

          He he he

        • Dave in CT

          I do. Who do you think I’m impugning? I’m an equal opportunity crony-basher.

  • Modavations

    Gov.Patrick blows 50 mill.on Evergreen Solar.I’d much rather have seen him give it to Friendly’s

  • Bruce

    Just finished listening to this show.  Thanks and congratulations to On-Point for 10 years of programming.  I only began listening to your show the last couple of years. I agree pretty much with your guest’s analysis, but part company with the one of the options he identified:  a third-party from the Left?  A third-party from the Right seems more credible and would consist of those libertarians who have a problem with the anti-science, anti-gay, anti-choice, militia-birther core of the Tea Party, and who have the intellectual honesty to reject the G.O.P. for pandering to it.  Also am somewhat skeptical of the guest’s promotion/acceptance? of globalization.  To me globalization = race to the bottom and needs to be revisited in a big way.

    • Dave in CT

      I like it. Bruce 2012. A voice of reason.

      • Bruce

        I hate to disappoint, but let me clarify.  It doesn’t matter to me whether the libertarians break with the Republican establishment or the Tea Party breaks away in 2012. The result will be an elctoral victory for Democrats and a possible mandate to carry out a “liberal” agenda.  By “liberal” I mean the option we Americans select when conservatism fails; in Europe it’s the option chosen when socialism fails.  It provides the only equitable way to deal with the extreme income inequality and yes, corruption and cronyism, in our day.  It is not based, as widely assumed, on maximizing equality at the expense of freedom, but rather it seeks to expand individual autonomy and opportunity when necessary thru government action.

        • Dave in CT

          That sounds like what I hoped/wish Obama could be. But why am I having such a hard time accepting it…..

          The Banking stuff and no harsh action against the Washington/Banker circles is really unforgivable.

          • Bruce

            That much we agree on:  Obama and the experts (“cronies” in your lexicon) he appointed underestimated the depth of the recession, overpromised what could be achieved with fiscal stimulus, underdelivered in reforming and/or re-writing regs that could prevent abuses we saw leading up to the 2008 debacle.  To some extent, this was undoubtedly due to the intransigence and obstructionism of Obama’s ideological opponents (primarily the GOP, but also the Blue Dogs). Someone once said “politics is the art of compromise.”  The GOP has certainly betrayed that principle of governance.  As someone from your side of the spectrum said recently (David Stockman), without serious attempt to raise revenues, reform entitlements, and cut defense spending (RED formula), everything we’re witnessing in Washington or on the stage at the Reagan Library is Kabuki theater.  Incidentally, that conservative icon, the Gipper, would be drummed out of today’s Tea Party-dominated GOP as a treacherous RINO warranting the “ugly treatment” reserved by Texas governors to punish fiscal heresy.  The Gipper increased taxes 11 times and raised the debt limit 18 times–evidence of the failure of the crackpot supply-side theory and tax cutting lunacy that Reagan bought into.  But I digress.  When you look at the alternative to the Dems., you get the failed policies of previous administrations or worse. 

          • Bruce

            By the way, thanks to your posts I’m going to check out mises.  Don’t know when, but this site is on my list for perusing.  I’m also going to check out MMT for info on monetary policy and the gold standard (still not convinced that switching back to the gold standard would be helpful).

  • Somalia

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  • Somalia

    The Revolution is being televised.
    http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

    We are one, not the one.  I’m so proud.

  • Somalia

    I Just saw Che Guevara at the protests!!!  I had thought the CIA murdered him in the Bolivian jungles back in 1968.  But he’s there!!!

    Che Guevara for Presidente!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Zing

      Me too! Right next to Elvis and JFK….dude!

  • StillWaiting

    I AM CALLING YOU ALL OUT:

    Modavations, Dave in CT, notafeminista, Gregg, GretchenMo, UlTRAX

    It’s been almost 5 hours since the story below was posted here and not one of you, the denizens of this comment page, has had the guts to reply, defend or spout off about the story below.

    “Charles and David Koch, the prominent billionaires who fund a string of
    influential conservative think-tanks, stand accused of selling tens of
    millions of dollars worth of petrochemicals to Tehran…”

    Or, have taken any of your prescious time to comment on it’s larger implications concerning our criminal elite and our corrupt political system.

    Why?  You are always moaning and complaining about insignificant and often erroneous details all the time.

    NO ONE, listed above, has had the fortitude to criticize our ‘propaganda media complex’ about their lack of reporting of such a headline-worthy story which broke over two days ago. 

    Apparently, people like you are definitely part of the problem.

    YOU JUST GOT SERVED.

    Why is this story not being reported by NPR and the rest of the mainstream media, yet? 

    Because the ‘myth of the liberal media’ is a huge lie that is constantly reinforced and perpetuated.  The media corporations are all controlled and owned by ‘extreme-right-winger-elites’ who are pulling the strings.

    Bloomberg must have a different agenda from the rest of them on this one:

    Tea Party backers made multimillion-dollar deals with Tehran, report claims:

    In addition to detailing the sales to Iran, the documents suggest the
    company paid illegal bribes in six countries between 2002 and 2008 to
    win contracts in Africa, India and the Middle East. It allegedly then
    sacked a compliance officer who complained to superiors about the
    practice. Some of the paperwork is described by Sara Sun Beale, a
    criminal law professor at Duke Law School, as a “smoking gun”. It
    includes communications in which Koch employees admit that their
    “activities constituted violations of criminal law”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/billionaire-koch-brothers-in-the-dock-over-trades-with-iran-2365181.html

    • Modavations

      Dude,I checked.There’s nothing there but posts from Huff Post and the “usual leftist suspects”.When a real news agency reports,I’ll report.Unions give more money then Koch’s.While 40% of Teamsters are “righties”,the union gives 100% to Dems.

      • Bill Cash

        If you bother to look up who’s donating how much, you have to get to number 5 before you find a union. The first 4 are all funded by corporations. They have far more money than unions. 

    • Modavations

      These guys have lawyers up the Yin Yang.Are you telling me they advised this.Ultrax will be offended at his mention.He’s on your side.

    • Modavations

      Please explain the word “alleged”

    • Modavations

      I’m more worried about Leftists in the good old USA,then Tehtran

    • http://www.dogoodgauge.org The Do Good Gauge

      I so feel your pain. Not that I have your desire or priority of this subject. Demanding others to argue your cause for or against is an unfruitful endeavour. Something a few would say I’ve been guilty of.

      Patience is the key. I share your passion when pointing the finger at the media. Though the problem is not the people, it’s the technology.

      There are many respectful and intelligent individuals on this blog. Given the opportunity, I’m sure some would actively participate in a civil solution. Again, it is not the people’s fault, it’s the technology does not provide the means to steer individual from mayhem to solution.

      StillWaiting, you have a passion to learn and share something. Keep digging, identify and categorize your evidence, refine your thought and delivery. When you do this others may help in providing feedback, either supportive or against. Don’t toss it all out at once, spoon feed it when the topic is relevant.

      Good Luck.

    • Zing

      Because it’s bogus?

      • Anonymous

        Not bogus. You’ve got to realize that the Koch family fortune was built on treason. The kids are far better than their dad who made his wealth by working for Stalin to build the Soviets oil industry infrastructure. 

    • Gregg

      I don’t know who the Koch brothers are, I haven’t seen your beloved link, I have no clue as to your point, it’s creepy the way you associate the tea party and I just don’t care who funds what.

      You mentioned my name so I figured I’d respond.

  • Modavations

    I’d give my right “patoody” to see Cain debate Obama.Welfare Blacks vs. laissez faire blacks.

    • Zing

      Hold your hand over your *ss. Obama is too weak…but I love him.

  • Avi Dey

    Moral of the story, America unable to make investment in education, innovate & infrastructure ?  That’s not a new prescription, but certainly can be valuable addition to the on going throughful discussions. 

    Vintage book on this topic is from Lester C. Thurow, “Building Wealth: The New Rules for Individual, Comapnies and Nations in a Knowledge Econoomy” (HarperBusiness, 1999). 

    Also, how do we enrich and motivate the public on a commuity level as part of that necessary infrastructure basis on a family, community, and state levels ?

    Twin Project Fairfax C2C
    My Tweeter ID:  waldenthreenet

  • StillWaiting

    Modavations:

    You are as corrupt and repulsive of an American as the Koch brothers:

    “Those activities constitute violations of criminal law,”
    Koch Industries wrote in a Dec. 8, 2008, letter giving details
    of its findings. The letter was made public in a civil court
    ruling in France in September 2010; the document has never
    before been reported by the media.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html

    • Modavations

      We do not submit to foreign courts.Explain the word “alledged”.Name calling is resorted to when little boys can’t make a cogent argument.

      • StillWaiting

        I was describing your thinking and behavior. 

        Most critically reasoning individuals who have read your ridiculous  posts would agree.

        Your lack of response to dozens of righteous replies to your inane and often callous messages over the last couple of weeks by many forthright commentators on this site forfeits you from deserving any respect and only disregard.

        As most people who over-indulge their ego, ‘you can dish it out, but you can’t take it.’

        • Modavations

          You were venting and your animous to the Kochs is political ,in my opinion.

          • pajji

            Get your own blog! blah, blah, blah

    • Modavations

      To quote the Euro lady,”US law allowed foreign subsidiaries of US multinational companies to engage in trade involving countries subject to US trade sanctions including Iran”,under certain circumstance”.This is why the US never indicted them,I believe.The lady was dismissed and suedKoch in French Labor court for unfair dismissal.They upheld Koch, saying she had lied on her resume.She appealed and lost again.

      • Modavations

        Kids in Egypt have to bribe their professors.Welcome to the real world.

      • Dave in CT

        But these guys will defend the discretionary and corruptible power of government law “men”, who write and re-write law to suit chosen corporate backers, rather than a blind, enforced Rule of Law, to their grave!

  • Lilya Lopekha

    Jeffe68 and Greg Camp never miss an opportunity to defend a country that is an absolute parasite to USA and pulling us down.

    On August 25th they repeatedly questioned the authenticity of the FBI Papers (Israeli involvement on 9/11 – caught red handed, with evidence upon evidence) – that crappy claims of the authenticity is history. Got my own big yellow envelope with 138 pages of crisp FBI papers. All it takes a darn 44 cents.

    If you want to see the proof … post something here, I will make my “cover letter” available here … from David Hudson of Dept of Justice.

    The cat is out of the bag …. The Official 9/11 Story is a one big fat lie.     

    • Anonymous

      Wrong show. Try to stay on topic at least. Up to your old nasty BS.

  • Ajparrillo

    Tom Friedman coming late to the fight with poor analysis.  If Ross Perot actually set the agenda, then Clinton would not have been elected since he supported NAFTA which was Perot’s main issue.  Respect for the Tea Party because these were people who organized themselves?  Wrong!  The majority of main events were funded by the same corporations that Friedman spoke against in his comments about the Citizens United ruling.  Grand bargain?  With whom, an increasingly extreme Republican party?  There is not an extreme left the US.  He appeals to many because he appears authoritative, but it is all superficial analysis.

  • Bill Cash

    what a disappointment the show was. Freidman took the traditional role of equally accusing both parties. He gave us the false balance the MSM continually gives. Let him show us where the extreme left is controlling the Democrat agenda. Is supporting unions extreme? Is asking the wealthy to pay a fair share extreme? He never gave examples and you didn’t challenge him. He called Social Security an entitlement. It is fully paid for the next 25 years. He said the first step is raising the retirement age and it has been rising. It hasn’t added a dime to our deficit and you didn’t challenge him I love your show but was so disappointed that you let all this go by.
    Freidman is a typical main stream journalist. 

    • MrD

      Very peculiar, no mention of the Only worthy 3rd party candidate option to date: Ron Paul!

    • MrD

      Addendum: Meant to first say, ditto to your sentiment about this program, guest and Tom along with the note I prevoiusly posted as a Blatant shunning of Ron Paul by both Tom and his guest. How very disappointing of Tom not to have spoken up for RP!!

  • JustSaying

    In reply to MIA Dave in CT:

    Hitler’s rise was financially backed by fascist bankers and industrialists, several from the United States. 

    Think, Prescott Bush. Think, Harriman. Think, Ford. Think, Union Bank.

    Political socialism and communism are just two sides of the same coin
    brought to you by the militaristic, totalitarian, fascist, elite.

    Eventually, Hayek became a ‘sell-out’ – just like you.

    Quit selling your own hype and shilling for the elite.

    You can’t Mise your way out of this.

    Do some homework and research.

    • Dave in CT

      Nice try. Still waiting for your vision.  That’s right, you don’t have one, you just shoot down others with a self-righteous, but undefined implication of being “right”. Can’t even put a name to it.

  • http://twitter.com/openib Guy Fawkes

    So the head cheerleader of sending American jobs to India and China wonders why we are going downhill. What next, Miller Beer wondering why we have so many drunks. 

  • Dave in CT

    Too bad on the 10th anniversary we have T. Friedman confusing us about our current situation by blaming Americans in general, instead of a guest like Gretchen Morgenson, who would be placing the blame squarely on the deserving shoulders of corrupt government agencies and Wall St Banking cronies, using cold facts, instead of platitudes.

  • Charles A. Bowsher

    In light of all the negative comments about the “Tom Friedman Hour” let’s all join together and double-dog-dare Tom to go mobile with his show (for a full two hours) to the park in New York where the protestors are either trying to save America or prove why we are doomed. Jury is still out for me.

    • notafeminista

      Save America from what exactly?  Have you looked at the list of what they’re trying to accomplish?

  • ipswichpaj

    Modavations… get your own blog… you hogged up too much space with your blathering!

  • notafeminista

    Apparently I’m feeling my oats this morning…from Ann Coulter’s column of 10/5 ‘This is What a Mob Looks Like’

    “I am not the first to note the vast differences between the Wall Street protesters and the tea partiers. To name three: The tea partiers have jobs, showers, and a point.”

    • Aranphor

      Ann “The Man” also has an adam’s apple which most women don’t have. :)

      • notafeminista

        So?

      • Modavations

        Man,or not,she’s hot!!!!!!

    • AC

      huh.
      she sounds like some kind of 90s high school movie evil teenage girl type of person. why throw in the dig about the showers? not very mature or productive, just mean-spirited.
      I have friends and friends from college that are participating in this thing and I know for a fact they bathe. & only 1 doesn’t have a ‘job’?
      why would she be so mean? who is she? is she a yellow-journalist of our day?? or is she taken seriously?

      • Modavations

        Ms.Coulter is selling a product(don’t you know her).Marketing,merketing,marketing.Off to Jelapa,Veracruz  to buy amethyst.This is the most beautiful part of Mexico.Wild,verdant,untamed mountains.

    • Anonymous

      Here’s another one:  they weren’t bused in by well-funded right-wing puppet masters. 

      • notafeminista

        To whom might you refer?

  • notafeminista
  • Modavations

    The White House fails to persuade intellectually.They then direct the niave young, to demonstrate in the street.The regime then directs the Brown Shirts to infiltrate the mob(we call them union thugs) and the Reichstag is burned

  • Dave in CT

    I always liked Obama’s statements that he would “call out” the malefactors and dishonest in our society.  He just never does.

    The point he lost so much support was when he failed to “call out”, let alone jettison people like Summers, Rubin, Geithner, Paulson etc. He argues there are no laws making what they did, illegal, as they cooked up plans with Fannie Mae and Wall St. to pull of the greatest heist in generations.

    His surrounding himself with the architects of our demise, is the thing that so many cannot swallow.

    I actually have sympathy for his argument that what was done, was not illegal.

    If he came out talking like a rule of law libertarian saying we need law “x” to keep a level competitive playing field, and to prosecute malefactors/corruptors, I would be supporting him.

    But when he defends a Frank/Dodd bill, that in its name even, touts the kind of banking coddlers who microlegislated, in a very NON-level playing field rule of law way, the situations with Fannie, and AIG and Wall St that brought on the collapse,  how can we have faith?

    He is just part of the Washington problem that will never relinquish their discretionary powers, to a truly transparent, level, rule of law.

    Why? I don’t know.  But a Progressive Values, Libertarian principles Democrat, or Republican, would win in a landslide.

    • Dave in CT

      But he goes on and on about “smarter policies”, showing he still has faith in the Summers approach to academically-led, centrally-planned economics.

      Was Apple a central plan? Was it someones smarter policy? It was Steve Jobs’ smarter policy and the world followed.

      Just let the economy do its thing, and protect us from market corruptors and outside invasion.

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  • Dr. Anna Gomez

    Dear Mr. Freidman,
    How demeaning that you think that the American public did not see “it coming.” Speaking for myself, someone who worked in corporate American, it was easy to see it coming. It was completely transparent. Evidence was: * increasingly massive and more rapid layoffs
    * CEO hubris
    * 1st white collar strike ever
    * manufacturing strikes on regular basis
    * Numerous ethic violations, many highest step of the ladder
    * out sourcing overseas everything possible* anxiety that the tightest quality controls did not cut costs far enough* restructuring organizations regularly* new corporate strategy every year (flavor of the day)* working for the shareholder, not for a vision.Show up at the office where we work. The issue is that the journalists and scholars did not see it coming. It is time to honor those who work for this country and those who want to work for it. They have their ear to the ground.

  • Smokey

    Friedman has many good points, but why, when he said there was one simple fix for Social Security – to raise the age – you didn’t ask, “Isn’t raising the exemption just as easy?”

    Social Security is perhaps the most important aspect of government.  Most people for a variety of reasons don’t save enough for retirement.  And raising the age isn’t always an option – sometimes one “gets retired” rather than choosing it.  And you really don’t want to live in a country with a bunch of destitute old people.  Why are we so afraid of just raising the cap on FICA contribution?  If you’re making over $100K a year, I’m sorry, but I don’t have too much sympathy for you if you have to keep paying FICA for another $50K or $100K.  That will fix the problem for a long time!

  • http://www.facebook.com/george.h.mayo George Hobson Mayo

    Thomas L. Friedman for president!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brennan-Moriarty/100000655771831 Brennan Moriarty

    testing, not sure if my comp is sending here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brennan-Moriarty/100000655771831 Brennan Moriarty

    The flat world is what I think of as the primary-norm – traditional expectations.
    The round world is the secondary norm – Geography and unexpected nor identified norms.
     Then there is the orbital world/communications internet broadcast mail phones… this is the tertiary-norm -reading between the lines of the primary numerator and the secondary denominator. but it is the round-world that connects the Flat World to reality, the geographic convenience that makes the responsible world go round [Gallileo/Capernicus in scope but quite detectible "just the same" in the youths reality/exp]. ignore that secondary calculation and the internet is a loose cannon[2nd]  ball[3rd] orbiting in contradictory logic.
     the round world’s secondary norm is not apParent to “normal people” -we don’t see the curve of the earth nor the the geographic cultural extremities, but they are the link! to civility, and the way to level with reality.

  • Dave in CT

    Real Tea Party and Occupy Wall St non-communists unite?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7HGqgAaKqM&feature=youtu.be

  • MakeMyDay

    Dave in CT:

    We get it.  You like Ron Paul.

    If you were a real fan, you would have posted the video of his visit with the National Press Club.

    Wait, I’ll do it for you:
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/politicaltheatre/2011/10/unadulterated-unfiltered-uncensored-100-octane/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

    Sorry for the long link folks, but I’m trying to compete with Dave in CT’s usual length of babble and his replies to his own posts – it ain’t easy.

    You know, I’d like Ron Paul a lot if he didn’t have such a whiny voice.
    It’s similar to the Ross Perot timbre.  Actually, a lot of things are, and not just their initials.

    Go ahead, I’m just waiting for your reply.

     

  • http://www.facebook.com/jackdoitcrawford Jack Crawford

    Construction of the line began in 1 March 2001[1] and public commercial service commenced on 1 January 2004. The top operational commercial speed of this train is 431 km/h (268 mph), making it the world’s fastest train in regular commercial services since its opening in 2004, faster than TGV in France and also faster than the latest CRH conventional wheel train in China at 350 km/h (217 mph).They don’t even get the speed of the trains right. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/jackdoitcrawford Jack Crawford

      Sorry. “They” means the two who wrote this. I think history shows what made America great. It’s just that everybody denies it.

  • http://twitter.com/humpjones Humpasaur Jones

    Freidman quoting John Boyd is like watching a poodle try to swallow an entire chicken at once.

    The fact this man is taken seriously as an intellectual is all you really need to know about the decline of the United States.

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