Gosh if you think of even more negative adjectives, ya think all the verifiable evidence the scientists, not getting any money from the government, you think all of that huge body of evidence will go away? Confirmation of the government version being BS just keeps growing.

Common tactic, used by propagandists, try to lump factual, verifiable facts into those that have no credence. NOT working.

Instead of blindly “discarding off handedly as paranoia” why not actually argue your views with actual facts? For example; explain why the Twin Towers fell at near freefall acceleration? Explain what caused molten metal to be found under all three collapsed buildings (WTC buildings 1, 2 and 7)? What caused all of the squibs of debris being laterally ejected out of the three buildings as they fell? Explain why scientists who tested various samples of dust from 9/11 GroundZero found the “unignited nanothermite and chemical signatures of explosives”? Explain why over 200 WTC eyewitnesses heard or saw signs of explosions going off? Explain why WTC building seven fell AT FREEFALL SPEED for over 2.25 seconds and how it totally collapsed even though it wasn’t even struck by an aircraft?

When you can logically explain those question then we’ll listen to your opinion. But not until then.

“How many thousands of people, politicians, fire fighters, building
owners, police officers, etc., would have had to have been “in” on the
conspiracy for it to have been executed properly????”

Nice straw-man. Epic fail. You lose.

You obviously have not looked honestly at both sides, or are a tool.

You are right. Tom should be hosting this show, and it would not surprise me if he bowed out deliberately because to ask insightful questions would mark him as a “truther sympathizer.”

Not really, the paranoid personality many times has an almost supernatual talent to incorporate events into their delusions. Way beyond the degree of complexity necessary to simply live. Some of our most successful and complex persons were such types. There are many degrees to paranoia, eveyone exhibits such symptoms on a regular basis to a certain degree, but one that is evidently high enough for them to be detained given the decisions of some MDs under other similar circumstances. What is nutty, to put it politely, is if the focus of ones’s delusions is out of sycn with the consensus delusions that people unconsciously agree with in order for society and civilization itself to survive. Actually this forum is at times a place where a mastery of weaving everything back into a central delusion is often evidenced. And this is best when it is effecatious in the uncovering of one’s own mechanism of delusions.

You obviously have not looked at both sides honestly, or you are a paid shill. The evidence is entirely on the side of the Truth Movement.

 My feelings exactly. The idea that the government was behind this is so absurd and as you said a good yarn or maybe and episode for 24.

The “government” as a whole did not have to do more than it usual level of incompetence and predictable follow-through.  Only a few small elements of the government needed to be in-the-know, with everyone else just following along, and who seriously doubts that is possible? 

But set aside your incredulity about the numbers of people you imagine must have been involved, and focus on the facts of the necessity of controlled demolitions, however they may have been set up, in order to bring down 3 steel structure towers in one day.  Focus on building 7 which fell symmetrically at free fall for 2.5 seconds, which could not have happened without removing ALL resistance over 10 floors. Even NIST admits free fall, but could not explain it. 

Start with those facts, and that should be enough to prompt more investigation about the rest of what might have happened.

You think it’s not part of the same plan?  You think ALL these ‘coincidences’ just spontaneously happened?  The odds would have a scientific notation exponent of hundreds, or thousands!  �
     Haven’t people convienently ‘died’?  Could they be those that have evidence?   A concience?  Some Patriotism?

Yes, it would. Someone who could examine why people are so resistant to examining basic science in a world governed human laws that are so constantly broken. Curious how people so suspicious of their government would be so willing to find science so threatening. In the US, science was once considered the neutral arbiter of human progress.

Brett – What is your theory about propane tanks? I ask because my review of Truth reports is that they very straightforwardly address this matter and every other matter like this that has been raised. Engineers are extensively trained in physical science. You might review the work of Kevin Ryan for that matter. No one could inspect the site right away because it was sealed off by federal authorities. But dust samples were collected, and scores of eyewitness testimonies were recorded. Eyewitness testimony is usually weak, except when many reports corroborate observations as with rocking explosions reported before and after the planes hit. There are many other reports that warrant examination, not hype and gainsaying.

OMG, Brett, are you really that ignorant?

Yes, God must have held the towers up for a while.

Not if you understand simple science.

 If you’re going to post this kind of stuff you need to provide evidence. More air drills? What are you talking about?
Dozens of New Yorkers reported hearing bombs? How is this possible? How would they know it was bombs and not propane blowing up?  Promote what questions?

The Bush administration did not need to blow up the WTC to go to war with Iraq. As they already had plans to do so in the works.
You use the word reasonable when I doubt you are on this subject.

What was that quote the other day?… Republicans claim that government doesn’t work, and every time they take power, they prove themselves right. No conspiracy here except in playing the blame game.

You have it completely reversed.   The facts and logic support the socalled conspiracies.    To correct your statement:

THE BELIEF IN THE LAME OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT EXPLANATIONS REQUIRES A FERVENT RELIGIOUS AND PATRIOTIC FAITH.  

ie. Yellow cake and WMDs in Iraq… supposed death of Bin Laden (no proof),  FBI sting operations of teenage terrorists,  it goes on an on.

“The great masses of the people . . .will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.” — Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” — J. Edgar Hoover, former FBI director

“Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity.” — Marshall McLuhan

Thank you, well said! Add to that, molten steel in all three sub basements of the buildings (1, 2 & 7) and fires that burned for weeks after 9/11, despite a constant stream of water that was being poured to quench the fires. How do you get temperatures that create molten steel from office fires? Why did that phenomenon only happen three times on one day: 9/11? http://www.ae911truth.org

Thanks for raising this matter, well documented and not contested by NIST. Meanwhile, I listened to Meigs and Kay during the radio show. Loud agreement between each other, refusal to take up the most basic questions like what you raise here. Meanwhile, NPR brings Kevin Ryan in for less than 5 minutes. Then back to Meig and Kay and circular reasoning and ad hominem, sexed up hype about conspiracy theory syndromes. This program has been a masterpiece of echo chamber pseudo journalism. Is either Meigs or Kay trained in physical sciences? What are their credentials? Why does NPR credit the official story as factual in the tag to this program? At least the Catholic Church was direct when it showed Galileo the torture instruments. This program was torture by proxy.

Unfortunately Pat, it sounds that way so far…

Steve,

The above article does not address the Flight Data. Matter of fact, it is pre-dated before the Flight data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board.

Read more here from aviation professionals:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org

Full member list:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core

photos here:
http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots

When asked, Popular Mechanics refused to discuss the Flight Data. Click here for recording with PM.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=16902

Truthers/Liars? Popular Mechanics is what tortured Galileo for raising inconvenient questions. In the case of 9/11, the inconvenient question is that structural steel can’t melt below around 2,000 F. Open flame fires–requiring oxygen for combustion–cannot come close to burning that hot. Meigs and Kay refuse to take up the science that is relevant. This isn’t conspiracy theorizing. IT’S A SIMPLE QUESTION THAT 8TH GRADERS KNOW HOW TO ASK. What’s the problem with adults asking that same question?

Did you notice that the story of the Polar Bear guy,put on leave for suspicion of making things up,has been purged.Maybe I just couldn’t find it.Quien SabesI take it you missed the commission with Bob Kerry saying Sadaam had long range missiles ready for firing with not only WMD,but Nukes.Didn’t Hillary vote to invade.Sometimes what idealogues call lies, are misjudgements

This is the response to everything from 9/11 to the evidence around Iraq.  The Bushies say ‘Hey we’ve shown we’re too incompetent to actually do this.’

Gravity

Agreed.  We were all required to accept their story without evidence, just as they apparently did.  Pro-war opinion was manufactured in a way that would have been impossible without 9/11. 

???

Where is the link to the evidence that anyone told the GWB administration that people were going to fly jets into the WTC, the Pentagon and try for the White House?

A lot of security is reaction. Why do you have to take your shoes off in USA airports? It isn’t because some government security specialist said “Hey some guy might try to put a bomb in his shoe”.

Just wanted to add…

It’s because NPR does not regularly (not even rarely) provide a serious space for the audience to hear voices from people that challenge mainstream views that I do not and will not ever donate 1 penny during your fund raisers.  I listen to NPR via wbur.org every single day, but will never donate unless this aspect changes.

They were buildings built on the cheep just like most of the structures build since WW2.    The empire state building was hit by a large aircraft and was repaired.

This is not a theory.  All the supposed hijackers were Saudi’s yet the Saudi diplomats were the ONLY flight allowed out of Reagan airport during the no-fly period.  But at that point the evidence hadn’t really pointed to all the individuals.

Full of civilians, and over one of the most densely populated parts of the country. The debris has to land somewhere.

NPR needs a redo on this story.  This was crap.  I expect more from them than being a refined version of FOX.

free fall speed Rick, 3000 dead ain’t nothing compared to the millions dead in Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan.

I disagree. But you know- Halliburton made a killing on the Iraq war and remember it was some hawk who let fly the conspiracy theory that Saddam had nuclear warheads.

Well said!

Look at a pic of the floor truss. Strong enough to hold up one floor, nothing more.
http://www.nc911truth.org/foto/truss.jpg
Weak or strong, could these trusses, by falling, possibly convert 1000 feet of central columns into a 30-foot hole in the ground?

Are you talking about the 9/11 doubters or those that constructed what is now taken as the mainstream explanation?  Both are constructions by someone.  Remember waiting for “the explanation?”

Very well put: “There is nothing more depressing to me than the willingness of people to
construct patently absurd explanations for things that offer them the
satisfaction of confirming something they want to believe, regardless of
objective evidence. ”

So you would agree that we should do a real scientific investigation of the events of 9/11, and the coverup that followed.  Start by doing your own investigation to find out what is really being said, not what hit stories like this NPR program would like you to believe.

Obviously you haven’t done one bit of research in the actual events of 9/11.

Consider these facts: Could Al
Qaeda:

Get the Pentagon and NORAD to standdown for almost two hours on the morning on
9/11?

Place two U.S. aircraft carriers off the coast of Pakistan just prior to 9/11?

Place explosives in the WTC towers and Building 7 (with tenants like the Secret
Service, CIA, SEC DoD etc?

Put Afghanistan invasion plans on Bush’s desk two days before 9/11?

Get top Pentagon officials to cancel travel plans for the morning of 9/11 (See
Newsweek article.)

Plan for the U.S. military to have military war games on 9/11 simulating planes
crashing into buildings, going in and out of radar and drawing all but four
fighter jets away for the Northeast air sector?

Place false blips (injects) on the screens of air traffic controllers on 9/11?

Take the main NORAD (NEADS) radar unit that covers the Northeast U.S. offline
for maintenance on the morning of 9/11?

Place Bush and Condoleeza Rice crony Phillip Zelikow as the executive director
of the 9/11 Commission?

Get Bush to sit silently in the school classroom for almost a half an hour
after being told “The second tower has been struck. America is under
attack”?

Get Bush and Cheney to only agree to speak to the 9/11 Commission together as
long as no audio/video recordings or notes were taken?

Get the mainstream U.S. media to completely fail to question the 9/11 story and
not investigate any of the lies and anomalies. Then cover up all of the damning
evidence that has come out since 9/11?

The “official 9/11 story” is a complete farce. Please visit
http://www.PatriotsQuestion911.com and http://www.AE911Truth.org.

Fair enough, Bburritt. But I’d like to respectfully add this: What “this country stands for” is beside the point here. The theory that the White House or some other US agency was behind the attacks simply isn’t supported by facts. Rather, the facts shatter those theories. And one more thing: the nearly 3000 who died that day included scores of non-Americans.

It seems as though they hung up on him after his comment so he couldn’t argue his point with the other two speakers.  So weak.

You could have read about bin Laden’s plans in the newspaper during August, I think a couple of times.  I know I did.  I thought to myself, this is one month when I’m not going to be flying around in planes, thank goodness.  So it wasn’t any secret.  I’m sure the government included at least one individual who was reading the New York Times. �
However, it seems to me we had a sense of invincibility, from the White House to the streets, and that sense of invincibility was as delusional as our response, whether it be the Neoconservatives riding American horror aroused by 9/11 first into one war and then another, or whether that response was with equally delusional sense of invincibility driving 9/11 theorists to see some Evil Genius, apparently, at play, rather than the particular “inspired” individuals who were hoping for 70 virgins waiting for them in heaven, however it was promised.  (Are the Muslim women mindful not to get to heaven with their virginity intact…)
    Maybe it was Godzilla.  And thank goodness those skyscrapers did NOT fall sideways.  They could have taken down half of Manhattan.  

Meigs and Kay are thoroughly disgusting!

For more info on the actual facts about 9/11 people should visit:

Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth
Patriots Question 9/11
Scholars For 9/11 Truth and Justice
Pilots For 9/11 Truth
Firefighters For 9/11 Truth
Lawyer For 9/11 Truth
Law Enforcement For 9/11 Truth
Scientists For 9/11 Truth
Military Officers For 9/11 Truth
Christians For 9/11 Truth
Muslins For Truth
Religious Professionals For 9/11 Truth
Medical Professionals For 9/11 Truth
Actors and Actors For 9/11 Truth

First they give us half an hour of two guys telling that conspiracy theorists are crazy.  Then they put on one guy (“Look, here’s one now!  Let’s be nice and even handed!”)  And then they send him away and won’t let him reply when the two guys get 20 minutes more to make silly errors of fact and tell us how misinformed and dishonest conspiracy theorists are.

Smart comment, Jason.  Learn to use paragraphs and you’ll get more readers.

Most of the jet fuel was used in the fireballs. The black smoke coming from the towers was indicative of an oxygen starved fire.

Right on! I’m glad to see so many aware individuals in this rockin’ comments section.

Jobs with small business  are generally dead end jobs.

I totally agree.  Cutting off callers with unanswered questions, denying obvious facts regarding Building 7, the main guest apparently being part of the government, it was an embarrassment for NPR.  Never again will they get another dime from me.  What a joke.  

The deck was stack from the get-go given the interviewee list: one 9/11 Truther against two 9/11 coincidence theorists, one biased moderator, and a heavily biased producer/editor who gave the final spin on the interview with regards to the minutes broadcast from each side (and how many minutes from each landed on the cutting room floor).

Great comment! Gage and Bowman would blow Kay and Meigs out of the water.

Cory, commenters at the OnPoint site have been asking for a show on this subject for years and years and years.  They post very demanding requests for this subject to be addressed no matter what the subject is.  Usually those are removed.  But they have been persistent.  Clearly there was demand for this show.  Given that bin Laden at the time of his death left records showing that plans for an anniversary re-attack were under way, it is a good time to consider our response to 9/11, whether we have taken it on board into the national psyche to the extent we don’t get traumatized and over-react again.  Something like that.  

AL Qaeda’s “Project Bojinka” plan to fly airliners into WTC and Sears Tower had been known since the 1995 capture of Abdul Hakim Murad.  NORAD had drilled on the airliner-into-WTC scenario.  So how about you explain why no air defense for 100 minutes?

Structural engineers know that asymmetrical damage from airplanes and fires can not cause symmetrical collapse.

Is asking for a real scientific investigation the wrong thing to do?  Is showing that previous studies, such as NISTs report on building 7, are completely unscientific the wrong thing to do? 

We should all just believe whatever the government and press tell us so we won’t be called wingnuts?  Amazing indeed.

I want a refund in fact.  Maybe we should make a public point of going down to the office to ask for a refund.

That would be a good thing, but I’m still stinging from this program.  I doubt that they could make up for it with a part 2.  Really unhappy with NPR for showing their true colors of sucking up to the government right now.  

According to NOVA, most structural engineers were surprised when the towers collapsed.  The jet fuel burned off in less than ten minutes, and after that we had very smoky office fires.  NIST has not one piece of core steel showing sufficient heating to weaken it.�
Office fires burn at most 20 minutes in one place before all the fuel in an area is exhausted.

The “confession” video is a fraud. If it were authentic it would be enough to get an indictment – there is no indictment.

The FBI never charged bin Laden with 9/11 because there is NO hard evidence that he was involved.
Google: bin Laden FBI wanted poster and see for yourself.

The government lied to us.

NIST cut off their analysis at the moment of collapse initiation, and thus they were able to dodge the most baffling aspects of the collapses’ behavior:  symmetry, speed, totality, the pulverization of 180,000 tons of concrete floors, the molten iron in the basments, and the persistence and subsequent failure of the lower core after the floors fell down.

I too have a certain combination of numbers which, when I see them cropping up here or there, I think divine intervention is at play.  I can’t always figure it out.  But I try.

Just like the photos of the dead Bin Laden… none existent.  And the body was dumped in the ocean as fast as the scrap metal from the twin towers.

Thank you Robin, well said! (and supported)

(Monitors, maybe take down the separate post that is identical, not posted as a reply, that I put up just previously)
RobinHordon posts: “regarding the involvement with Israel, there is a factual element of the 9.11 attacks about Mossad and it has a troubling name that will get your readers and listeners to LOOK FOR THEMSELVES…and to decide for themselves about Israel’s role in the 9.11 attacks. just google “Dancing Israelis” and you will be able to see FACTUAL information, eye witness accounts, arrests, repatriations of Mossadi agents..and their admittances that they were sent to New Jersey to “record the upcoming attacks”. This forces one to conclude that Isreal had very, very specific information that: knew the exact targets…knew the exact type of attacks that were to happen…knew the exact time[s] that the attacks on the WTCs were to take place, and MOST incriminating, knew that the ATTACKS WERE A GO and thatthe airliners had been hijacked or control of them had been acomplished…and that they had their cameras rolling at the precise right time.”

    Why am I not surprised that Mossad might know more than our own CIA had pieced together.  However, is this the first time in two thousand or so years that Israel and Arabs have been on the same “side,” in particular attacking the USA?  Isn’t Israel actually dependent for significant funding from the USA which regards Israel as an ally?  So is the supposition that Israel wanted to propagate mass hysteria in the USA which would lead to widespread war against Muslim cultures? Is that it?  In which case, Mossad had a heck of a lot of faith in America’s ability to obliterate Muslim and Arab culture and economy and so on, especially since our economy and future is tied in to the success and stability of the same.

The Crusades never ended

Are you suggesting Jane Clayson should be the host?

No, Tom would have hammered the nutjobs in that unique way he has. Jane did a good job nonetheless. 

I don’t know whether US top brass were dismissive, thinking a flock of seagulls, or whether they had orders from the top to view invading planes as such.  But I do know that the USA contributed mightily to the resolution of World War II, and came out a strong and dominant country.  Once we made up our mind to it, we did it, and if Pearl Harbor was a good launching pad for public support in participating, we can only say it worked.�
    I’m not buying it though to say that if that WERE the case in 1941, that the same ploy was in play in 2001. �
    Look at the expression on George W. Bush’s face as he is informed, as he is reading the little book to the first-graders (or maybe kindergartners).   Judge for yourself.  Is he thinking, ah-ha, let this play out; make no fast moves; we must let this happen in order to bring our nation into a war?
     We don’t have photos of FDR at the spur of that moment on December 7th, but I’m thinking he knew full well something would drag us into that war, and recognized a good excuse to mobilize public support when he saw it.  I doubt he would have chosen to sacrifice a lot of our Pacific fleet, at a predictable onset of a Pacific island-to-island war, if he had a real choice. �
    The road to war in Iraq was nowhere so clear.  No one saw 9/11 as a jumping-off spot for invasion of Iraq.  It is still extremely hard to see the connection.

I am not a conspiracy theorist.

Oh look, the CITheads are here.

If you want a movie to make money, you will have a strong sense of resolution at the end, and if there is evil and trauma inflicted along the way, you want to have a resounding sense of nailing them.  Isn’t it adequate to nail the 19 hijackers?  Heck, no.  They are dead already.  They WANTED to be dead.  We have to go further.  

From what I’ve read, bin Laden was a respected aid in our efforts to get the USSR to back out of Afghanistan.  He was a leader among the mujahadeen (spelling?), and along with Pakistan helped America arm and coordinate our strategy there in the late 1980s.  I can’t believe the CIA would want to lose touch with its operatives, especially if they felt they were semi-double agents.  I don’t know the terminology.  But once the Soviet Union collapsed, then the next thing from al Qaeda’s point of view was to use the same tactics to get us to collapse.  Maybe the CIA didn’t want to seem to have caught onto that.  I can well imagine the reasoning.  And maybe there were others in the same situation. �
    No, I don’t think the CIA hired al Qaeda to take down the three buildings in Manhattan and the Pentagon, and the White House if possible.  Why?  That would be like handing the USA over to — to — is there anybody in the world who wants to try to control such a bunch of fanatics as we Americans?  

WHY CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE

Instead of worrying about WHO these people are, why not find
out WHAT they are saying. That way you can decide
for yourself where the truth lies.

WHY CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE

Popular mechanics is a propaganda tool of the military industrial complex. That is abundantly clear from simply perusing any of their issues back over the years.  They are “in on it”.  They are part of the American machismo.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://rememberbuilding7.org/10/

Get an education.

Here I thought all this time the real reason for 9/11 was that the US is possessed by demons who are ruling the nation. It was all demonic entities…  (I’m joking here…)

Patrick,

Explain to me how WTC7 fell at free-fall acceleration for 2.25-2.5 seconds?

Let’s see some of that tough love in action.

Please enlighten the rest of us with systematic rational arguments. The guests claimed to have done so but seemed to use FOX tactics more than actual logic to support his stance.

our society is producing far too many people with tragically flawed minds.

It seems you are one of them

Anthony, Congrats and Thanks. We heard you this morning. Good job man.  Check out http://www.911cc.org

Excellent point that I had not thought of before.  However, both the veil of incompetence before the events as well as the disguise of explanation afterward were very thin, if you look into them, but few people will go that far.  They didn’t think it through enough to have a long term plan, except to try to avoid all serious investigation as long as possible.  The suppression continues with this broadcast, and the characterization of anyone questioning the official story as not to be taken seriously. 

There is a parallel with how the fall of building 7 was anticipated by many people, and yet the explanation for why it fell took years to manufacture, and is full of fairly obvious holes, if you look into it.  How could it be easily anticipated and yet extremely improbable at the same time?

Take a look at the actual heat recorded with a thermograph.
http://www.irinfo.org/articles/article_9_11_2001.html
126 degrees F, if you interpret the color as the middle of the attached scale.  Can you even fry an egg with that temperature, let alone bring down a steel building?

Neoconservatives, who have been the lead exploiters of 9/11, had been plotting to get the United States involved in a series of Mideast wars (the “Clash of Civilizations” and “World War IV”) for several decades before 9/11. They had even expressed their desire for a “New Pearl Harbor” before 9/11.

Without 9/11 and the 9/11 anthrax attacks (which originated in a highly-classified US military lab), they could have never convinced Americans to drop several trillion dollars down the drain in support of a succession of losing wars on behalf of neoconservative political objectives.

Neoconservatives and their intimate allies occupy powerful and strategic positions at the highest levels of the military-industrial complex. They were in a position to manipulate and play games with the US defense system. They have many powerful allies in the mainstream media.

Any theories about the neocons are certainly as solid as theories about OBL — especially since the FBI doesn’t even consider OBL to be a suspect for 9/11.
 

There was a 9-month elevator renovations project in 2001.  Dozens of workmen were involved.  There was access to the elevator shafts 24 hours a day–which is where most of the 47 main columns of the buildings were situated..

WHY CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE

Great questions.

Now go find out for yourself, and don’t forget to bring your
brain along.

It’s time to grow up and stop expecting spoon feeding for
the rest of your life.

WHY CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE

No one has yet mentioned the billions of dollars in gold stored in vaults in the basement of the Twin Towers, and the millions recovered (in a truck, loaded too late to get it out before the collapse) or that the Twin Towers were infrastructural nightmares, rented to only 1/3 capacity, laden with asbestos and clad with aluminum panels, the rusting bolts of which were in danger of shedding them down into the street far below.  Taking them down conventionally was a financial impossibility.  That alone should raise the suspicion of the insurance underwriters, if not the rest of us.

 “The tightest security in the US”.  Thank you for pointing out why so many people claim it was an inside job.  A jihadist wouldn’t have made it inside the front door, let alone wired the place.  You nailed it!

This whole nation needs its septic system cleaned out, and that’s what Mr. Ryan is trying to do.

WHY CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE

Hawkeye LOL

A sad bird incapable of cognitive reasoning who finally got
himself an Internet machine and now pecks away endlessly in his adult diapers.

Hey hawkeye, maybe you could… never mind, there’s nothing
you can do for me except grow a pair and start being honest.

WHY CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE

Anyone know if it is true, as I have heard, that ‘al qaeda’ is Arabic for ‘the toilet’?

 I remember that press release from that scientist too. You can bet your a&& that US black ops has some nanothermite that will burn through to China if you light it. Cause they have the stuff with the special secret sauce. I hear it is commonly disguised as CheeseWhiz and had even been lost in shipping once, only to turn up in an abandoned storage unit that was auctioned off to the late Alice Bleez formerly of where Los Vegas Nevada used to be.

I liked the technical explanation you gave and your forthright admission of your naivete’.  Unfortunately too many Americans believe in such a dream.  

It was addressed in a letter above by Asdf,” Why is it so hard to believe our government might be that corrupt. We accept the idea that every other government in the world is corrupt but when it comes to our own… nahhhhh.”

Why do you think Ike and Lincoln and the founders warned us about this problem?  The cabal that put this in action is evil. No question.  It is not likely that the cabal in question lived in caves.  It is not duplicity if you do not care.

It wasn’t just the government.  Right after 9/11 professors at Stanford, MIT, and experts on CNN, Fox, NBC, BBC, and at Scientific American and New Scientist all led us to believe that the jet fuel fires had melted the steel.

Why is it so hard to believe our government might be that corrupt. We accept the idea that every other government in the world is corrupt but when it comes to our own… nahhhhh.  This stuff is as real as the red pill in you left hand.

Exactly so!

When do the competent shills come on? 

Your response could be applied to any statement about who caused what ever made.  You simply haven’t taken the time or opened up your mind enough to learn the REAL questions that there are.  Simplify it and dismiss it.  Birthers do not have the large numbers of professionals willing to put their reputations on the line that 911 truthers have.  There were only one or two arguments to support birthers claims.  There is a myriad of evidence that counters the OCT.  Yeah, we all know about Occam’s Razor.

Exactly.  And this, of course, was not addressed. I found the tone of this show demeaning and disrespectful to any rational person who questions the explanations for the events of 9/11.  It was a calculated work of propaganda, with the hallmark “us and them” mentality, intended to simply discredit all who question rather than address the multi-faceted and conflicting evidence and witness accounts.

Probably the owner realized it was dangerous as is and not worth restoring.  Probably the lawyers and bankers and insurers took one look and either were extremely glad to see it fall flat or assisted it.  I wouldn’t be waiting for it to land on all the remaining New York City firefighters who were in the general vicinity trying to “clean up.”  I’d take preemptive action.
    I think this is the same position as the so-called conspiracy position.  It is what happened to many buildings in my region post tornado; or post certain fires and so on.  They do fall straight down unless pulled by strong ropes, even if they are not humongously heavy buildings.  Heavy buildings — the physicists can calculate gravity versus resistance, but I guess I don’t care.  If there was another terrorist wild in the sewers of Manhattan — shadows of The Hunchback of Notre Dame? — who came creeping out and perpetrated something else, is the idea that there is a second version of al Qaeda, another bin Laden provoking a similar set of atrocities, still loose in the underground?  Is that the reason this is such a hot subject?

James Meigs would look good …. behind bars.
Along with the rest of the perpetrators.

Just because Cheney told Lamehy what we all wish we could, doesn’t make him a liar; it makes him a hero.

Indeed,

Conspiracy theorists believe that 19 misfits got by the most sophisticated military in the world and flew a hijacked plane into their headquarters in our nations capitol, despite the fact that Cheney was informed of its approach.

http://rememberbuilding7.org/10/

And your point is ?

(Is this the new shift? Pat – see ya next time)

If you want to keep believing the goverment lies concerning 9-11 that’s your right.

If you want to believe that the Easter Bunny is real, that’s you’re right as well.

And when the goverment tells you that the rate of inflation is 0%, you believe that as well, right?

(Even though food and gas prices are going through the roof!)

The shape shifting lizards actually reside on the surface of the planet and are running my country.  Please educate yourself.

If you dropped a bowling ball -threw air – from the top of the twin towers, it would land at about the same time.
(So we’ll have to ignore the tons of undamaged steel structure)
How’s that for a  “differential equation” ?

And where did this Domic Suter guy go ?

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/press/storage.htm

Inquiring minds want to know…

You fell for something interesting.
Yes, he stated ‘nano-thermite’ is not an effective explosive, and he is absolutely correct. So the fact that nano-thermic spheres were found in the dust has been effectively neutralized with regard to any ‘demolition’ theory.
Did you catch that? No?
Anyone with the ability to think critically might. You see, Kay pulled a classic ‘bait and switch’ or ‘strawman’ argument here. Let’s do this in steps;
He said that flakes of nano-thermite were found. – Absolutely correct.
He said that small flakes of oxidized iron are rust. – Correct again.
He said that anyone who thinks that would be used in a demolition would laugh about the idea. – Again, I totally believe him.
Why didn’t he mention the spheres that were found?
Don’t know what you fell for yet, do you?
Well, here it is;
- It is not that the oxidized iron flakes (rust) are a by-product of demolitions. Such are the by-product of many other causes, including building fires.
No, it’s that he took ‘oxidized iron flakes’, and right in front of your ears, he convinced you that nano-thermite=Oxidized iron flakes.
Well, nano-thermite is comprised of “iron oxide and aluminum”, but it is absolutely NOT ‘rust’.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-thermite

Funny how what was actually found in the dust (along with the oxidized iron) is the sort of stuff that the military has been working with since the 90′s. Also, it’s just the sort of stuff that would actually be practical for demolitions where typical hyper-thermic materials are not. Kay said it’s “not an effective explosive”? Reality disagrees. From the above link;
*”nanosized thermitic materials are being researched by the U.S. military
with the aim of developing new types of bombs that are several times
more powerful than conventional explosives.”*

Don’t take my word for it. Do your own *actual* research.

I’ve studied cog-psyche. I already know that your, and the whole reading audience’s filters are set to ‘confusion’ about the above. Hell, in 5 minutes, you’ll even forget that the guest, Kay, deliberately mislead everyone. You’ll forget that he either lied or spoke entirely out of ignorance.

Why? Why will you forget?

Because… you can’t stay nice and ‘comfy’ if you don’t.

Why did he lie?

Why are people ‘flagging’ this response already?

Because… they can’t stay ‘comfy’ either if they know it’s still there.

The bottom line is that “I don’t know”.

And neither does anyone else.

Cheers!

And your point is ?

Good Day Steve.

Interesting how deliberately you paint the skeptics as ‘irrational’ and ‘vitriolic’ despite all evidence to the contrary. The vast majority of skeptics are not particularly favorable to either such trait in any individuals.
For the most part, the skeptics have no “Theory” to disprove. Just a large number of questions surrounding some of the miraculous and as yet unexplained coincidences of that day and surrounding it.
One little fact for you; Officials of the administration, Pentagon, CIA, and more actually stated, in no uncertain terms, that in order to further their agenda some kind of attack on the US would have to take place.
As much as you and others would love to believe otherwise, that is not a ‘theory’. They signed on to the actual documentation spelling out that in order to do what they felt needed to be done, which was to invade Iraq, the US would have to experience “A new Pearl Harbor”. A few years later, once they were in power, that wish was granted.
Can we believe that they were just extraordinarily lucky?
Of course we can.
But it’s hard to ignore the notion that these were not only the sort of people to ‘make their own luck’, but that they had the wherewithall to do so as well.

 The official conspiracy theory is ludicrous

I pressed the ‘Like’ button of this post by accident.

Sandoval — most of us by now have noticed that apologists for the 9/11 official conspiracy theory — like yourself, Patrick and hawkeye — rarely address specific points of evidence in an informed and rational way. This is one of several reasons why belief in the official story in the United States and all around the world has evaporated over the last decade.

Another observation: a high percentage of 9/11 Anti-Truthers seem to be pro-Israel militants who have been strong supporters of the neoconservative war policies for which 9/11 has served as the pretext. That tells us a great deal about the motives driving the cover-up of 9/11 and the 9/11 anthrax attacks, doesn’t it.
 

Wrong.  You’re misguided because you haven’t used the internet to find out the truth about 9/11.  Do you have some phobia of the internet whereby anything you see on it you regard as inherently false and misleading?  Kay wants the idiots to keep watching TV because the truth about 9/11 doesn’t get broadcast by the mainstream media.  If you’re not an idiot go to http://www.ae911truth.com  Then point by point, prove how stupid and misguided are the 1500+ architects and engineers who have signed the petition calling for a new investigation.

jonathan kay is an agent for a foreign country and i don’t mean canada

 Correction: Near the end, it should read “AIR-TO-SURFACE MISSILE”.

Right, how did boxcutters overwhelm the air defenses of the most powerful military state the world has ever seen?

John, What you say is partially true, but it only scratches the surface.  Look up “limited hangout” to get an idea of how only small parts of the truth will likely be rolled out, once there is enough momentum behind exposing even that much, just enough to satisfy the public and hang a few scapegoats.  It will take a long-term concerted effort to clean up the corruption.

When you say “the entire U.S. power apparatus would have to be behind it” that is probably an exaggeration, though it is partially true.  Most people who were involved probably didn’t know they were involved, and may still not know – they were just following orders and doing what they were told.  Now the public is mostly just believing what they are told rather than thinking for themselves.

What happens when the truth comes out? Riots?  I hope not.  It will be very demoralizing, and large parts of the world will be justifiably very angry with us.  It has to be done, however, if we are to really repair the damage and reset our government to be ever more democratic rather than less.

“What happens then?”

Justice.

If 9/11 is a great lie(and it is) then everything that came into existence because of 9/11 is completely illegitimate and should be done away with. This includes the two 9/11 wars, the Department of Homeland Security, the Military Commissions Act, the Patriot Act, and the entire security state apparatus that came to be because of 9/11. All must go.

Right. You are absolutely correct. What’s in the past is in the past. Why should we bother with serial killers, rapists, or war criminals since ‘the past happened and isn’t going to change’?
I like your thinking. Perhaps now I can do anything I want and just argue that since ‘it’s in the past’, putting me in jail would only be costly and unnecessary.
If that was lost on you, perhaps you’ve heard the axiom about “Those who forget history…”?

Yeah right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoAD8HlrLZg

Who’s wearing the hat ?

people who still believe obama is anything other than a complete puppet are the idiots > or working for the cabal > like Jonathan Kay and James Meigs > google “remember building 7″ 

See Who Killed John O’Neil http://whokilledjohnoneill.com/ Also have a look at who took control of the WTC August 24th, 2001.  Look into Steven S. Lauder and Larry Silverstein. 

Just for kicks try searching the web for N900SA and Huffman Aviation.

 Oh my — Jonathan Kay is also a visiting fellow at the FDD (Foundation for the Defense of Democracies), a leading neoconservative policy center and front group (essentially) for Israel and Likud. FDD has been one of the lead exploiters of 9/11 on the American scene — they have a huge investment in protecting the official narrative from any skeptical questioning. Jane Clayson, of course, mentioned none of these important facts about Kay in her interview.

Go to http://www.ae911truth.org Astronauts landed on the moon.  Who is Nessie?

Think of it as someone was telling you all the main events including before and after were going to take place. Scratch your head. That would be your first pass.

Then look at the official explanations as if you were an investigator for a legal organization.  Think of it as a possible arson/insurance type scam with the WTC owner getting billions, the Eisenhower Military–industrial complex complex getting two wars and the Patriot Act and Homeland Security.

Gr8. Inside job ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoAD8HlrLZg

Isn’t your argument just like people believing in “global warming” and “big bang” theories?

FYI, the first is true and well understood, while the second is far out and who really knows?  Not very comparable, though scientific investigation can be applied in both cases.

In all investigations, it is not about belief but about verifiable evidence.   Beliefs may guide is in what we choose to investigate given limited resources, but we know that we must reserve judgement until we have covered all the bases.

The anthrax that was used in the 9/11 anthrax attacks originated from a high-level classified American military lab. Most observers have concluded that the FBI has gone out of its way not to find the real culprit (more likely culprits) behind the attacks, which were directed at opponents of the Patriot Act in the Democratic Party: Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle.

The notes accompanying the attacks were clearly designed to frame Muslims and to join Israel and the United States in the intimate alliance against evil that so warms the cockles of Jonathan Kay’s heart, and the hearts of his fellow neoconservatives at outfits like the PNAC, FDD, CSP and AEI.

Will an incompetence defense explain the 9/11 anthrax attacks?

Fine.  From utter incompetence came the most perfect attack in human history.  And the laws of physics were in awe of the attack and suspended themselves.  And the government of the people who were attacked killed hundreds of thousands of people who were like the horrendous nineteen attackers, and seized their resources.  And the accused Bin Laden, who was not wanted by the FBI for 9/11, was killed, and all was the new well.

were you Krod?

9/11 wasn’t treated as a crime. It was treated as an act of war.