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Unemployment In The Black Community

Tom Gjelten in for Tom Ashbook

Black unemployment has hit Depression-era levels. We’ll look at the causes and possible solutions.

New numbers show that Black unemployment is at 16.2 percent, while Black male joblessness is at 17.5 percent. (AP)

New numbers show that Black unemployment is at 16.2 percent, while Black male joblessness is at 17.5 percent. (AP)

The jobless rate in America is more than nine percent, but in African-American communities it’s back at Great Depression levels: Sixteen percent, and even worse for black males.

The sectors hardest hit in the recent recession were important to African American workers in particular: construction, manufacturing, and government. It’s hardly a new problem, but with the economy sputtering, the outlook has rarely been so bleak.

In some cities, black unemployment is expected to stay in double digits for another decade.

This hour On Point: without a job and short on hope.

-Tom Gjelten

Guests:

Charles Blow, visual op-ed columnist for the New York Times.

Janell Ross, business reporter for the Huffington Post. Read the latest in her series “Backsliding: Inside the African American Unemployment Crisis.”

Patrick Graham, president and CEO of the Urban League of the Central Carolinas.

More:

During the show, we heard from one particularly poignant caller, Marsha from Florence, South Carolina. Here’s a brief transcript of her call, which comes around 17 minutes into the show.

TOM GJELTEN: Marsha, welcome to On Point. You’re on the air.

MARSHA: Thank you, Tom. What I would like to say is that, in my whole neighborhood, all the gentlemen in my neighborhood work. Wives, husbands, boyfriends, girlfriends—everybody works. When the loss of jobs came in from manufacturing and construction, all the men in my neighborhood have no job. And they used to all get together and, like if there was a site doing some construction, they’d all get together and go around there to try to fill out an application. And they kept being told the same thing, “Ya’ll cost too much. We won’t hire you.”

But there was a great deal of Hispanics that was on the job site. It has changed the dynamic in my neighborhood very, very…weirdly because they started looking everywhere for jobs and they couldn’t find one. And they’re kinda lost basically ‘cause they don’t really know what to do. These are men that are used to working like 12, 13 hours a day, building buildings, you know, and stuff like that, and manufacturing, and they don’t have any jobs. And my personal, personal, personal experience is my boyfriend—he’s been looking for work for 2 years, and he couldn’t find it.

I usually get my grandchildren on the weekend, but he told me, he said, “I tell you what: I have nothing to do. Why don’t you get the grand kids for the summer?” I said, “Well, I have to work!” He says, “That’s all right. I’ll take care of ‘em.” This man now cooks. He cleans. And he takes care of my 6 year old granddaughter and my 3 year old granddaughter. And he’s like, “I can’t find a job.” He says, “So the least I can do is make the life that we have as comfortable as possible.” So some people have marriages that are falling apart, the dynamic in the families have changed. I like this man a lot better than I liked the one that worked all the time and brought me home all the money! So, you know, we don’t have the money, but man, I had no idea that this dude really had nanny in him!

GJELTEN: Well, good for him.

MARSHA: It just depends, you know, on how you deal with the situation. But it is sad ‘cause the men they don’t have any jobs. You see, there are some of ‘em that just do not have nanny in ‘em at all.

GJELTEN: The stress of unemployment can break some marriages, and it can actually strengthen some relationships, I think is a point that you’re making. I want to go back, Marsha, to something else you said that is an important issue. And you said that the workers in your neighborhood who have worked traditionally were being told they were too expensive. I presume—

MARSHA: They come back in a tizzy because the supervisors won’t hire ‘em. They say they cost too much.

GJELTEN: And you say that a lot of the jobs are going to Hispanics. Are you saying that the Hispanic workers are willing to work for less? What’s the dynamic there you’re talking about?

MARSHA: That I truly believe because we have about 4 or 5 different, large projects going on in Florence, South Carolina. And one of them is modernizing, expanding on our McLeod hospital. They have this huge project goin’ on. And they went, they applied, and they were told as usual, you know, “You cost too much.” So I had to go to McLeod, so I would go be nosy. So I walked around the building site and looked at the people who were working, and they was all Hispanic! And all of ‘em speaking Spanish to each other.

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  • JimmyKl

    Obama’s NLRB appears to be part of the problem when it comes to black unemployment in South Carolina and across the country.

    • JaiBeasley

      Why do you say that?

      • JimmyKl

        Boeing wants to build a new plant in SC that would employ tens of thousands directly and indirectly

        • GLH

          A passenger plane is far from being a typical product. It requires intelligent, dedicated and dependable workers. I don’t see Airbus leaving France and Germany for Turkey, and Airbus is selling 4 times the planes of Boeing. Aerospace is a symbiotic relation between government and science and industry. If Boeing don’t quit acting all GM and scratching the workers for corporate pennies then they gonna go down the toilet. First you gotta be able to build a good safe plane afore you can be selling it. Charleston would be OK if they paid the going rate and benefits and gave people the chance to relocate.
          Hint 1: I quit eating hamburger once they broke the meatpackers’ unions.
          Hint 2: Germany (one quarter our population) exports more goods than the entire USA.  They’ve got better benefits and strong unions. They have well run health care for all. 
          Hint 3: But the kind of workers who can build passenger planes would also have to rebuild backward South Carolina and dump Nikki Haley and her neo-fascism.
          Conclusion: You can’t build high tech on the Plantation.

          • Ken

            Boeing added workers to it’s factories in Washington State, and tried to expand into South Carolina (spending $1BN to build the plant) when the Washington State unions decided they ‘deserved’ the jobs Boeing was creating in SC, so they petitioned NLRB to force Boeing to relocate the plant (and jobs) back to Washington State. Their argument? Boeing was only going to SC to get lower (non-union) wages, A.K.A. ‘union busting’.

            The lesson for employers is this: once you locate in a pro-union state, you won’t be able to expand to so-called ‘right-to-work’ states – so think hard before you build a business in a pro-union, non ‘right-to-work’ state.

          • Ken

            Airbus and Boeing deliver about the same number of planes each year, and Boeing has slightly revenues compared with Airbus (Boeing planes cost more). Airbus won’t move operations to Turkey or other foreign countries because Airbus is partly owned by the French and British governments! They subsidize the companies to keep them in England and France, unlike Boeing.

    • Thinknaboutit

      This is not a new statistic though, so while you may believe “Obama’s NLRB” has not solved the problem, it cannot be the root cause.

      • JimmyKl

        but it is a shining example of politics that makes no economic sense having terrible consequences

  • Markus

     Let’s see how far compassion for the unemployed goes? There are over 12 million illegal aliens in this country taking jobs and depressing wages at the low end. But my guess is that the same people who will wring their hands over the plight of the unemployed will also enthusiastically support a comprehensive immigration policy (i.e. amnesty) which will tell the billions of poor in the world, they need to find a way to get here and eventually amnesty version 3 will turn them into citizens.
    Principles give way to ideology every time.

    • Thinknaboutit

      Let’s stay on point Markus, todays show is about the disparity of employment between racial backgrounds, let’s not confuse this with immigration issues.  Unless you are suggesting that the low paid jobs (often below minimum wage) are the only jobs the black community is qualified for, in which case get over your racism.

      • twenty-niner

        The point is that a lot of jobs, especially in construction, weren’t always low wage. The flood of illegals have driven down wages (and quality) in a large array of skilled trades. On top of it, a good portion of this work is now paid in cash, under the table, allowing proprietors to avoid paying payroll taxes and workman’s comp. Further, illegals being paid under the table can collect food stamps, qualify for section 8 housing, etc, because they have no official W-2 income.

        In the end, it’s hard for honest working people to make a livable wage. It’s hard for honest contractors to stay in business, whereas dishonest contractors are allowed to cut corners and have their business ultimately subsidized by the tax payer.

        • Markus

          Exactly. Though it is interesting that someone would interpret my comment as potentially racist. People are so quick to jump to preconceived notions.

          Course, by attacking the person, you get to avoid the primary issue.

          • Thinknaboutit

            Perhaps you felt attacked by my pointing out the irrelevance of immigration to todays topic, perhaps you are just missing the point.

            Any lack of jobs should be distributed equally among racial lines.  Instead we have higher unemployment in one racial group (a group that is made up of less people I might add) which indicates a clear inequality as to the distribution of the jobs.

            The question of today isn’t where have the jobs gone, or why have the jobs gone.  The question today is why are the remaining jobs being distributed disproportionately across racial lines. 

        • Thinknaboutit

          You make it sound as if white men and women don’t work in construction or other skilled trades.  If the illegals are the reason unemployment is higher in black communities, then the jobs they are taking would have to be only the jobs black communities would have. 

          • twenty-niner

            I believe if you look at the stats, a higher percentage of blacks work in blue-collar professions than whites and Asians, so they will be disproportionately affected when blue-collar wages are ratcheted downward or disappear.

          • Thinknaboutit

            While you may believe many things, that doesn’t make them facts. 

          • twenty-niner

            Pithy comment. I’ll be a thinknaboutit.

  • Cory

    1.  Causes:  Racism and class inequality.  Poor neighborhoods with poor schools and infrastructure.  White flight and diminishing tax bases.

    2.  Solutions:  Wait dozens or even hundreds of years for human enlightenment and true social equality or engage in forms of agitation leadding to upheaval and more rapid change.

    3.  “Charles Blow”…  One hell of a cool name!

    • twenty-niner

      Actually, it has more to do with the loss of good middle-class manufacturing jobs, which is what drew blacks from the south to the rust belt around during the last century. As I’ve written in this blog many times, you can’t power an economy the size of ours on flipping burgers, changing bed pans, and checking shoes for bombs.

      But there’s a hint of good news about manufacturing in this country:

      http://seekingalpha.com/article/276114-is-chinese-manufacturing-coming-back-to-the-u-s

      • Thinknaboutit

        So lets look at that argument another way.  Lets imagine Wal-mart decides to close one of it’s MEGA-STORES (similar to loss of manufacturing jobs) and open a smaller outlet in the same place.  Now when they open their new outlet they hire back some of their previous employees but they bring back more of the white workers and less from the black community.  Is the reason for the inequality of their hire-back policy because the original store was closed?

        The topic isn’t why aren’t there as many jobs, the question is why are the remaining jobs disproportionately distributed along racial lines.

    • Thinknaboutit

      I think your post is likely to be among the most accurate on today’s topic Cory, both on the cause and unfortunately the solution. 

      Equally sad is that when employment finally does drop to below 7% for the average, it will still be around 14% in black communities but few people outside of those communities will be concerned anymore.

  • GLH

    Surplus labor is a problem of technology and automation, but is has its uses for the powers that be. You can keep people working hard in unfair circumstances if you show them the suffering of your discards. If you make your money by fraud and speculation you don’t care about the mass of people anyway. 40% of young college graduates are unemployed in Greece and/or Egypt but isn’t that by design? As goes Greece so goes the working population of the USA, no matter how many Indian MBAs Bank of America imports.

    I think Mr. Obama and the bought Democrats must believe in the End of Days just as fervently as Sarah Palin. They show it by their failure to command the economy. like China, but in a more humane way. Here the infrastructure and agriculture are on the verge of collapse but 50 million people do useless predatory jobs to make their masters wealthy and at least 30 million sit on their hands without opportunity. Capitalist economics and sacred private property are so arcane they force us to sit idly by while our demise is constructed, like condemned criminals before the gallows. Why must a savable world end in collapse and chaos because of etiquette toward monetary wealth?

    • Edgetown

      I can see the Communist are still at work;  ”Capitalist economics and sacred private property are so arcane”

      • GLH

        Oh, I get it now, you think Charles Blow is a Kim Philby… you may be correct Edgey.

  • Jeffreysc

    There is a clear relationship between education and employment that crosses all racial groups. 

  • Modavations

    In my opinion the Dem. Party is rascist.Johnson instituted his New Deal in the early 1960s.In 1965 Moynihan wrote ,that the unintended consequence was the fatherless family,ie:no check if a father is present.They called him a rascist.At this time the black out of wedlock rate was 15% and jumped to 30%.I’ve read that the out of wedlock rate in the ghetto now approaches 90%(?).The Democrats will not remedy the situation, because they get the “dependency vote”!!!!If you financially reward the 2 parent family,all the pathologies will eventually dissappear.Kids need Daddies!!!!!!

    • Frank

      Actually, the New Deal was instituted by Franklin Roosevelt in the 1930s. Get your facts straight, and maybe people will give more credence to your argument. 

      • nj

        It would take considerably more than getting the dates straight.

        • GLH

          So, by gettin’ the dates straight we can determine who’s the daddy:
          Maury Povich intellectual history.

      • Geri

        Frank  – you moron!  Argue over minor details  – but ignore the larger point which is right on!!

        Keep up the good work Modavations

    • Vbtherapist

      Education education education. That should be the mantra in the “Ghetto”. The New Deal is way older than President Johnson by the way. Speaking of johnsons, if the youth would keep theirs in their pants and stay in school, the 90% rate you talk about would not be an issue.

  • Modavations

    I also agree the Mr Blow has a cool name!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.theassassinbug.com Rbrunelli3

    Where is the outrage? Barack fiddles his anti-deficit violin while the unemployed slowly burn. Why aren’t we camping out on the Mall everyday?

    • ThresherK

      Perhaps it’s us (by which I mean whites). Many of the white population might have gone so over the edge about a black Democrat in the White House that they’ve started to believe their own hype about Tea Partydom.

      Then we get into the peasant mentality, doing the groundwork for our economic uberlords: Unemployment insurance IS a moral hazard. Tens of millions of American families HAVE TO be sacrificed–unretire, drop out of college, cram three generations into one apartment, etc.

      Only then will TheEconomy(OnAverage) get BetterOnAverage, and it’s a short step to “reasonable people disagree” in the media.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

        Um, hello, people, he’s half-white and was raised by his White mother, in Hawaii. He’s a Columbia and Harvard graduate. What part of that is “black” but the color of his skin, which is still half-WHITE.

    • Vbtherapist

      Apathy, that’s why. Minorities should look to the “Arab Spring” for inspiration but they are so preoccupied with music, clothing, sex, crime, and sport that current events to them sounds like a hip hop band.

  • Edgetown

    Black Unemployment not only is due to lack of jobs, but the main stream

    black culture’s become SO gangest-ghetteo character that the jobs

    available do not want THAT black attitude around.  That’s a hard word b

     but try to find many who won’t agree?
                                     
                               gregory 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

      But with that attitude among employers, they see dark skin even if it’s another race/culture entirely, and their assumptions about THAT culture problem make them turn down the person who grew up as “white” as the white people, went to an Ivy League school, listens to Beethoven and Mozart, speaks Latin, French, and German, and took piano lessons in the 3rd grade. The cultural assumptions they make upon first glance at me are what makes the decision, period. I’m being held back by a culture that I’m NOT part of and never was.

  • Draristot

    My most recent job was working for a minority owned construction company. The owners and managers were wonderful guys I was happy to work with them, though they were a bit inexperienced. The big boss was a self made man who struggled up from poverty, the managers were all from the middle and upper middle class. They made a decision to hire construction crews of young men from the poorest neighborhood in town in order to give back.

    The guys on this crew were all good guys, I like them and try to keep in touch even now that we are all unemployed. However, they had no marketable skills at all. They were barely literate enough to fill in time cards. Had no idea how to behave in an office or on a job site. Needed constant direction. Most of them had court cases or criminal proceedings underway. Most had tax and child support levies against their pay that made it hardly worth their while to work. The boss gave some of them loans only to be embezzled from by them latter. Ultimately the work that they did was low enough quality that it needed to be redone by our customers at the companies expense which was enough to put the company under and unemploy us all. 

    Meanwhile in this city, most of the black guys coming up are dropping out of school and those that do are going to prison. How the heck are they going to gain the job skills that they have to have if they are going to be employable. Maybe school can’t give it to them but it could at least teach them how to act in public and how to read and write well enough to fill out the application. In an age when government programs are being cut back, how do we get these guys employable?

    • twenty-niner

      I saw the same thing while attending a public high school in Chicago, which was about 40% black and 10% Hispanic at the time. I noticed very little respect for education, school, or teachers from most of the black students, except for the recent immigrants from Haiti, who were poorer than the American blacks, but were largely very polite and respectful to teachers. What was interesting was the prejudice against American blacks displayed by the blacks of Caribbean origin, demonstrating biases based more on culture than race. I think, at some point, black Americans need to come to terms with how destructive urban-black-gangsta culture is to their own communities.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

        That’s why I won’t teach in the ghetto areas if I can help it. Kids there may have the same color skin as I do which initially gets them smiling like a Cheshire Cat, but that’s where it ENDS. The behavior in those situations is appalling to someone who went to a decent college-prep school in the suburbs. I do get treated better as a teacher from immigrant children but I’m talking about the children of the Russian and Ukranian or other European immigrants. I get the same level of disrespect from West Indian and African ones, because all they care about with regards to me as if to decide if they’re going to listen to me or not is whether I have children. That’s their be-all and end-all, period. That too is why the black ghetto trash kids don’t respect me and won’t ever listen to me. I didn’t have out of wedlock kids, so I can’t tell them what to do because I didn’t do things in my childhood that would have made the Ivy Leagues a mere dream. (Yeah, those schools have MORALS STANDARDS, people.) But to some extent I get that from the Hispanic barrio kids too, they’re not going to listen to me as a teacher because I don’t have kids. WTF does that have to do with anything??!! They would not EVER hold a white single female math or science teacher to standards like that, by the way. Just ME. Maybe not all Native American women either, just ME.

  • ThresherK

    “I personally know of no black men in my neighborhood unemployed, but I know it exists, and must be disproportionately higher in other geographic areas,” per Charles Blow.

    It pains me to contrast this ability to reflect and imagine the country around him with Rick Santelli whipping up Teabaggery on the floor of the Chicago Merc: “Everybody I work with is a statistical cross-section of America! We’re completely representative of the state of the economy! Really privileged guys are the silent majority!”

    Actually, it doesn’t pain me to do this. I get a kick out of pointing that out.

    More of Charles Blow in the future, please.

  • Pfamcoupons

    I think we have to get out the mindset that Government can fix our problems. We have to make our own way. Unfortunately we have to pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps in the country that built it’s wealth upon the backs of non-whites.

    That takes time, determination and education. We (as a people) have to broaden our horizons when it comes to work. We have to think about what will be needed in two or three years. Try to project ahead. Education is the key, not just a degree, reading and learning about new ideas and innovations.

     And not just focus on getting a job today.
    There are resources out there. If there are no jobs in your town. You may have to move. Not just out of town, possibly out of state or out of Country.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

      Very few other countries will take American expatriates and let them get JOBS. Almost NONE. If you’re an American and you have a college degree, they won’t want you if you even look “black.” You’re saying to black people who can’t find jobs with their college degree, go to another country and try to take one of theirs?? Seriously, that other country would want them even LESS. No country wants to hire anyone who couldn’t get a job in their own country.

  • Ggerg

    Why is there a need to further divide us by segregating unemployment by race? What possible difference can the color of one’s skin have on the ability to get a job? 

    • Pfamcoupons

      Believe it or not Ggerg, unfortunately it still does.

    • ThresherK

      What possible difference?

      “There are times when no snide comment seems adequate.” — Dogbert

      • Ggerg

        No need, I already know where your at and I want no part of it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

      Have you ever had brown skin and tried to get a job worthy of having gone to college, which you DID??? The lighter the skin the easier the time getting a job after college. I don’t have to prove it, just switch skin colors with me and see what happens to YOU.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O7C5ZLQ2GANQ5HVBOUZXHKB6XY kelly

    Modavations: where have all the minority daddies gone? To jail! Well, in some urban areas, 1 in 2 black men have a criminal record or are currently in the system.Why have they went to jail, because it is a new form of slavery! Don’t think so? Then explain to me why, since black and white people use illegal drugs at the same rate, over 65% of incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses are minorities. Please, explain to me how that is not a new form of Jim Crow. Don’t bother with crime (as I said, 65% for NON-violent drug offenses). We then have successfully marginalized them from society and once they’ve served a ridiculous amount of time (sometimes year for a few joints) and been torn away from their families, their kids without fathers, we tell them when they are released they can’t get lots of jobs, qualify for nearly all forms of government assistance (including student loans) and many states don’t let them vote. Does that seem appropriate to you for a few joints?Moreover, everyone hates criminals- they are the one group we are all encouraged to hate- as if they are not full human beings. Not deserving of basic care. Numerous reports have also found that 20% of men (and boys) in prison are sexually abused. The list of the mistreatment and inhumane treatment can go on and on and on…I am deeply ashamed of our country for how we treat our most vulnerable members of society and those who are different from us. It is not overt hostility- it is something far more dangerous- indifference.We do NOT care to know or understand about the suffering of those who are different from us.Shame on us!!!

    • Vbtherapist

      Kelly, prisons are for criminals and historically prisons are rough places populated by guess who? Criminals! They are in prison for crimes against society to begin with, so it can be expected that violence and sexual abuse will be rampant. To avoid being “torn away from family” don’t break the law!
      If minority fathers of minority children would put some effort into finding gainful employment, even low paying employment, then the hardships of prison would not be an issue. There are programs in place like WICK, EBT cards and income based rentals etc. to help out with the cost of raising the children of low income families. 
      And here’s a radical idea, how about family planning and the idea of having children AFTER  graduating with a degree! Oh and before you say minorities can’t afford an education, there are programs in place for FREE technical school education for low income students. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

        OK, income-based rentals are either project-based, so they’re in ghetto areas, or Section 8 housing vouchers which are getting increasingly impossible to GET. Most Section 8 waiting lists are up to 10 years long and most places aren’t even taking applications anymore. Without a job, you’d need more than the EBT card Food Stamps, WIC vouchers and General Assistance (which again, is not available in most states these days, most states which ever HAD General Assistance have since cut the program out).

    • Zing

      The reason for the disparity is that white criminals as a group probably are more educated than black criminals and more adept at avoiding arrest and incarceration.  So if you’re black and want to break the law you probably should stay in school; maybe even get into an Ivy League college.

      • kappa_man_stew

        that answer is so horse pucky. the average level of education for african american and caucasian criminals is about the same. the problem as stated by the department of justice is that the overwhelming amount of arrests are made of african american deliberately. there are doj studies that confirm that the criminal justce system is biased from the officer on patrol to the courts.
        more caucasians have drugs percentage wise when stopped by officers, but 75% of arrest come from african american stopped. when the african american go to court with the same crimes as caucasians african americans will receive a stiffer charge from the district attorney. if african americans are convicted of the same crime as caucasian defendants they will receive a stiffer sentence.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O7C5ZLQ2GANQ5HVBOUZXHKB6XY kelly

    The difference is that people who look different than the majority group in the USA (white make up almost 70% of the population) as a group, minorites suffer far, far, far more. Even black men who are employed, make, on average, 70 cents for every dollar a white person makes. A huge number of minorities are quarreled into horrendous ghettos where they are constnatly mointored by the police and targeted

    • Ggerg

      Asians look different and are thriving, why? With all due respect, we should stop teaching black children that they are inferior (they’re not) and cannot succeed without lowering standards of excellence. No one is forced to live in a ghetto and there are many many highly successful black role models: Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, Condoleezza Rice, Tomas Sowell, Ward Connerly, Oprah, Bob Johnson, any number of millionaire athletes, the Obama’s and don’t forget Charles Blow. For some reason we celebrate Snoopy Dog, Common and their ilk instead. Bill Cosby has it right.

      • J from Boston

        Because that is what is hyped by the media; that is the image that is intentionally portrayed- and celebrated- of black men.
        And by the way, what’s wrong with Common; he is a very positive role model, so stop stereotyping him just because he is an emcee!

        • Modavations

          Get Steven Marleys new “Mind Control”

        • ThresherK

          SATSQ: What’s “wrong” with Common is that Obama invited him to the White House. Fox News interviewed him, approvingly, a few times before that.

      • kappa_man_stew

        asians and others did not have every vestige of their family or heritage destroyed. asians and others did not have a two hundred year legacy of slavery and a further one hundred and forty six year battle against segregation, discrimination and exclusion from mainstream american institutions and occupations. asians were allowed to come here with whatever personal wealth they had. asians and other recent immigrants were not subjected with laws excluding them from getting basic skills like reading on pain of death. asians and others did not have to fight a civil rights battle as violent as that of african americans (asians have had a civil rights battle), even though they (and others) would ultimately benefit from that battle.
        asians and others are not subjected to the level of exclusion and discrimination still practiced against african americans. it is a documented fact that an african american witha clean record will have a harder time getting employment than a caucasian with a prison record.
        to put it bluntly asians and others do not have the same historical problems as african americans

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

        The Asians you are referring to don’t look THAT different than whites, except for the slanted eyes. They’re not the South Vietamese whose skin is so dark they’d pass for “black.” Nor are they the dark Philippinos who look like South Pacific Islanders, again, passing for “black.” Just the passes-for-white ones.

        And as for “no one is forced to live in a ghetto” sure they are if they’re so broke that only ghetto landlords will rent to them without demanding a credit check (if you’re drowning in student loan debt from college and not yet making enough income to afford the decent non-ghetto-trash areas where all landlords check credit and references).

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

      And explain why I get pulled over by the NYPD in Brooklyn JUST for having another state’s license plates on my car, which incidentally MATCH MY DRIVERS’ LICENSE AND THE REGISTRATION ON THE CAR. I get that one all the time whenever I’m in a different state than where I happen to have bought the car. And only in “black” areas. For the most part I can drive from state to state perfectly legally. Until I dare venture into a “black” area.

  • Modavations

    It is precisely because of the nuclear families destruction ,that 1 in 3 blacks is in prison,parole,or probation.Moynihan warned the Dems.,and they called him racist.It was in their power to remdy the situation,but they wanted the vote.Dems.,release your chattel!!!!

  • Modavations

    The Chinese were brought to the US as Coolies.If not for quotas,Stanford,Berkley,etc,.would be exclusively Asian.Why you ask?Intact nuclear families!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O7C5ZLQ2GANQ5HVBOUZXHKB6XY kelly

    For those of you who say pull yourself up by your bootstraps, why don’t you move your family to one LA’s or Chicago’s horrible ghettos, then turn yourself over to authorities for smoking a few joints- have yourself locked away for 2 years, make sure your spouse does not have transportation, savings, childcare, a high school degree. Oh, by the way, there are pretty much no jobs in the ghettos or anywhere close that provide a true living wage. Then, sit back and watch your family prosper as your 2 kids are put in sub-par schools where they will be treated like criminals and not expected to achieve, your spouse, when they can find a job- will be paid a very generous $7.25 an hour (don’t spend it all in one place), the nearest bus stop is a 20 minute walk away on streets with no sidewalks and no shelter from the elements, your kids will be cared for by whoever your spouse can find who will accept, um, let’s see $7.25/hr X 50 hours of work a week = $362.50 week – health insurance (for a family of 3- let’s say an unrealistic $50 per paycheck)- social security and unemployment ($20 per paycheck)-phone ($15 per paycheck)- shelter ($150 per paycheck)- heating,gas, electricity, water ($75 per paycheck)-transportation ($15 per paycheck)= 325 and with the remaining $37.50 your spouse can pay for clothes for the family, dental care, glasses for your kids, oh, yeah, and FOOD.
    In the meantime, I am sure you are learning great skills in prison, where you will be rewarded for good behavior by being allowed to work for $.23 cents and hour and build patriot missiles, vision goggles, parts for cobra helicopters, etc for the DoD to be sent over to kill other poor brown people in another part of the world. These job skills will serve you well when no white-collar job (at which you can earn a SALARY) will hire you because of your felony (a few joints) and attempts to better yourself, with education are simply dreams- since you don’t feel like spending your 100k in imaginary savings on a college degree and the federal and state governments have decided your crime against society was so great, you hurt so many people with your marijuana possession, that you will no longer be eligible for student loans. Upset about this state of affairs, too bad, b/c despite the constitution and what the rest of the world thinks about the state of things in our country- it has also been decided that you can NEVER again have a voice in your society (aka VOTE)
    I don’t care how hard you work, you are literally in a war zone- where your fellow americans are indifferent to your suffering and you are constantly targeted as the lazy welfare mother and criminal by society.
    Wake up AMERICA- your indifference has created this monster of cruelty!

    • Mary Lincoln

      Since people are loathe to give up their privilege and do the things you suggest, I think that reading Barbara Ehrenreich’s book, “Nickel and Dimed” may be a good start. But you go further than she does, and that is justified.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

      Try being a suburbanite college graduate and winding up schlepped in to those areas ANYWAY after college because you can’t find a job that pays enough to keep you in the areas you grew up in. And try that CULTURE CLASH on for size. Try getting schlepped in to those kinds of areas people ASSUME you “must be” from just because of the color of your skin. Try having a college degree and no criminal record and being treated like all of the above ANYWAY.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O7C5ZLQ2GANQ5HVBOUZXHKB6XY kelly

    No sir, the fact that 1 in 3 black men is in prison is what has destroyed the nuclear family.

    • Modavations

      No Mam,Johnson and the Great Society would only cut a check, to single mother households.No Daddies allowed.When Moynihan pointed out that the out of wedlock birthrate had double,he was called a Racist.They could have fixed it then,but they wanted the Dependency vote.That is why the Democrat Party is RASSCIST to the bone.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

        Likewise peoples’ SURPRISE that I HAVEN’T had out of wedlock babies is just as racist. They’re making moral assumptions of me based on nothing but skin color and not even the fact that I’m Native American and not “black.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O7C5ZLQ2GANQ5HVBOUZXHKB6XY kelly

    Vbtherapist, you state that people should not break the law- well then how come white people who use drugs at the same rate as whites:

    http://oas.samhsa.gov/NSDUH/2k9NSDUH/2k9Results.htm#2.7

    yet blacks in many places are incarcerated at 25 to 50 times the rate as whites: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/64Moreover, it is profoundly disturbing you are ok with someone having their life literally destroyed, over a non-violent drug offense (that, if anything, has only hurt themselves), and once they have ‘repaid’ their debt, they continue to be marginalized- forming a new underclass where they are prevented from finding gainful employment (most jobs will not hire someone with a criminal record) and educating themselves (student loans), and participating in our democracy (voting). By the way, our War on Drug has had absolutely NO effect on the rates in which drugs are used- which have remained largely unchanged for the past 20+ years, although our prison system is now the largest in the world and has more than quadrupled in 20 years. Why do we not lock up all the alcoholics (who by the way, if going by number of deaths, is more than 5x greater than illegal drugs)? Becuase we recognize it as a disease (disproportionately suffered by the highly educated) yet drug use is criminal and these people deserve to have their lives destoryed- even though it actually hurts society more by having this marginalized group and treatment programs have been shown to actually PREVENT relapse. Right now, our criminal justice system is designed to CREATE criminals.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

      No, black youth just get CAUGHT for selling drugs more than white ones, because white youth do have other job options such as Wal Mart, McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell, shelf stocker at the local Safeway to name a few. Jobs that never would have hired me when I was in high school so I’m fortunate I didn’t have to work so I didn’t have to try so hard back then. NOW the excuse that those places give me for trashing my application is that I’m overeducated….while jobs requiring a bachelor’s degree are getting fewer and farther between and increasingly take on people with Master’s and beyond.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O7C5ZLQ2GANQ5HVBOUZXHKB6XY kelly

    It is amazing so many people are ok with black teenagers having their lives literally destroyed for doing the exact same stuff white teenagers in suburbia do (and are not punished for it). something that does not involve injury to anyone else or property.
    Sure, there will always be people who succeed (there were black slavemasters during slavery and successful black doctors and lawyers during Jim Crow)- that does not mean the group as whole is doing well (as everyone likes to pretend in colorblind america)- in fact, as a whole, black america has been doing really bad for a really long time- and we will make sure, as a society, that it stays that way.
    This whole idea of Colorblind America has indeed made us blind- blind to the suffering of others.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

      I grew up in Suburbia. I didn’t realize white teenagers robbed banks, stole cars, slashed the tires of any car they couldn’t drive (stickshifts) broke into houses and stole electronics to sell on the black market for drug money…or were ardent proponents of out-of-wedlock babymaking.

  • Jeffreysc

    Rebecca Blank, an economist at the Department of Commerce, to lead President Barack Obama’s Council on Economic Advisers. “The president is apparently going to nominate a senior economic adviser who has testified on record before a congressional committee in support of a major economic policy decision that wasn’t based on any economic analysis whatsoever

    • Anonymous

      Wow!  You mean he named someone who testified in support of the Bush tax cuts?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O7C5ZLQ2GANQ5HVBOUZXHKB6XY kelly

    Ggreg and Modavations, and Vbtherapist, not to mix all of your thoughts together- but The chinese were brought to the US as coolies? Really, all of them? At the same rates blacks were brought here as slaves? Then subjugated and treated worse than animals for hundreds of years?
    Please post me a link to those states, I would love to see them.
    As to your family planning argument- so these kids wait to have kids and get an education- that sounds like a brilliant idea- maybe you can talk to Republican governors across the country who are defunding planned parenthood- the only source for many low-income women for birth control.
    As for all the successful blacks you listed, could you please tell me of one who actually grew up in the ghetto? No one you listed did.
    Vbtherapist, there are FREE trade schools for former felons, really, where? Could you please send me a link? I would love to see it- I have seen for=profit places that just try to make a buck off of someone and charge exhorbiant amounts for dubious degrees, but no FREE trade school for low-income people.
    Where is your proof that minority men do not attempt to find gainful employment? I would like to see that as well.

    • Modavations

      Kelly,I’ve got ADHD.Keep your comments pithy.Where was I……

      • Ggerg

        Good one perfessor!

    • Ggerg

      I guess I’ll answer the part directed at me but I don’t see how it is relevant unless your point is blacks are forced to live in ghettos and thereby doomed to a life of misery. Oprah was born into poverty and raise in inner city Milwaukee. She was sexually abused. Condi grew up in racially segregated rural Alabama and was friends with the 4 girls murdered in the church bombing in 1963. Clarence Thomas grew up in the deep south. His single mother sent him to live with his grand parents. Sowell was 9 when he, his siblings and his single mother moved from Gastonia to Harlem. Connerly grew up in a Louisiana black community and was ridiculed because of his light skin. None of them had an easy go of it. 

      • WOW

        So basically, let’s take the exceptions, and expect everyone to perform at their “superhuman” level, meanwhile, the “average” white kid from Billerica, or Deham gets a decent to good job for basically going to HS (or not), and maybe their dad knows someone at abc construction, or gets him in the door at bobs plumbing.
        Following that logic, why aren’t all white people wildly successful doctors, entrapeneurs, etc?
        You’re very ignorant to the realities of life in America, the social dynamics of poverty and racism, and what it’s like to life on “that side” of the tracks.

        • Foothillequestrian

          No, you’re wrong. I know all about it and have been there. Following your logic why aren’t all blacks poverty stricken? The analogies are offensive and disgusting. People should be judged by the content of their character NOT the color of their skin.

          I disagree very strongly with your premise that intelligent, honest hard working blacks are the exception. It’s a hideous notion. There is no super human effort needed to succeed just don’t do drugs, don’t break the law, don’t have children before you can afford them and work hard. Anyone of any race can do it. To say blacks aren’t capable it is insulting them to the max.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

            Actually every black who lays eyes on me treats me like it WAS some kind of superhuman effort on my part to stay celibate and childless. All it really took was total disgust at the kinds of boys and then men who liked me. Nothing supernatural about that. Grossed out by the ghetto street trash thug types that I attracted back then even in the “white” suburbs and at a college-prep school; then at Yale and ever since then. Nothing supernatural about just being disgusted at the kinds of the opposite sex who come after me…just sensibility on my part. As for on my father’s part: well, he never did want children in the first place; he had to marry my mother by accident. Yes my oldest brother was an accident, the result of the only time my father had too much to drink in his life. He never drank again, by the way.
            But then, we’re Native American, so I don’t see why blacks attribute their moral value or rather lack thereof, to me….or to my late father.

        • Modavations

          I lived in Joburg from !980-1984.There was no welfare.My black pals thought American Blacks were cry babies and were chopping at the bit,to get in.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

          White people don’t have to go to medical school, law school or become teachers just to make people stop thinking they look too stupid to have graduated high school, that’s why. Whites don’t have to go to Yale or Johns Hopkins before people stop saying “she didn’t go to college at all” behind their backs, that’s why.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O7C5ZLQ2GANQ5HVBOUZXHKB6XY kelly

        That is not the same as growing up in a ghetto!!!
        A ghetto- where 1/2 the men are missing, cops are on every corner, and you are frisked when you go to school.
        I also don’t see being an athlete/entertainer (where education has little to do with it) as an appropriate example (since few people can/will become entertainers/athletes)
        So, let’s take your examples of Condoleeze Rice, Barack Obama, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell and Ward Connerly.
        Barack Obama grew up, especially during his high school years, with his white grandparents in Hawaii and attended one of Hawaii’s most elite private high schools.
        Clarence Thomas, attended a well-to-do all white high school in Savannah, Georgia (and lived with his well off grandparents during this time)
        Condoleeza Rice was taught ballet, piano, french, and ballet starting at the age of 3. She attended a private, catholic, all-girls high school in Denver, Co.
        Thomas Sowell attended the selective Stuyvesant High Schoo,l he dropped out at 17 (but had at least some years of experience at a very good school)
        Ward Connerly may be your best example, but attending high school in Sacramento, California in the 1950s is hardly equivalent to many of our nations ghettos.
        Frankly, it seems unacceptable that the USA (supposedly the wealthiest nation on earth) has ghettos ANYWHERE

  • Modavations

    Margaret Sanger,founder of Planned Parenthood, was a eugenicist.Hitler and the guys were her offspring!!!!!!!Her plan was to abort the “riff raff”

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

      Well that may be why Blacks are dead set against any kind of reproductive control whatsoever including hysterectomies, RU-486, sterilizations, and the old-fashioned ABSTINENCE thing. They will do nothing to stop themselves from being babymaking chattel for the State to support via welfare and WIC. And they don’t seem to value college degrees for women.

  • Modavations

    The founder of the Republicans was Lincoln,Dixiecrats were rascist southern dems,Eisenhower(Rep.)integrated LittleRock,more Reps.voted for the Nixon equal rights legislation the Dems..The last “Wizard” was R.Byrd.Johnson, in collusion with the Dem.party, blew up the Black Family.Release your Chattel!!!!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/MrStormE Eye Of The Storm

    My family just left South Carolina on Vacation the surrounding area was depressing (per caller ) I now see where the jobs were! The police officer assured my family nothing ever happens there out of the ordinary…. Whats sad is it’s not just in Ohio the jobs are going to non Blacks …. I’ve seen it for years coming to this and I truly expect it to get a lot worse… the after effects of crack and have you ever been convicted of a felony  box ….Thank You for at least airing this silent problem before the next election!

  • Daniel6-22

    In general, I think less educated black men tend to be angry. They are angry about the hand dealt to them at no fault of their own but the remnants of 400 years of degradation. They never had an inhertance to give them an early boost. To correct this, our nation needs to think about a serious minority employment package. Get the boot off the neck of the young black man, allow him the chance to take government loans out to start small businesses. You better belive that the private sector won’t help him with anything.

    • Modavations

      Instead of a marriage tax,we need a marriage bonus.All pathologies will fade away.

    • mary

      Excuses are like a-holes, everybody has one.

  • GLH

    Vituperative et al: If the market no longer induces the production of needed goods in a sustainable way; if it no longer results in efficient distribution of goods and resources and services and labor; and it no longer rewards those who do the innovative thinking and hard work then what good is it? If all the market now does is agglom wealth in a few hands; perpetuate unfairness and discrimination by race and sex and class and gender identity, and is an impediment to democratic institutions through media dominance and bribery; and a perpetuater of war and genocide for profit one might assume that the utility of the market (global, corporate) is ended.

    And all of you who attempt to speak for the poor and mistreated citizens of the USA: You will never know until you’ve been there. But I will say that the fearful near escapees from the trap often make the best Sondercommandoes. That’s what men like Clarence Thomas and Tommy Sowell truly are: capos, cannibals and golem. This is not namecalling but an accurate characterization of their roles in service to the Oligarchy. (Some comedians call them role models which causes much laughter among the condemned.)

    • Modavations

      The markets arn’t working because of the oppressive foot of govt.on our backs.EPA,NLRB,35%corporate rate,etc.,etc,.The real uncle Tom’s are Jesse,Al,Mr.Bow,etc,.etc,.

      • GLH

        Canned drivel is wearing thin. In a short time you  could get yourself hurt talking like that among working people. That oppressive foot on our back belongs to the Oligarchy. I know you already “followed the leg”  but then you got fixated at a certain juncture pleasing your Master.

  • Jason

    I’ve been in United States 11 years and to be honest, Most employers do not care what color you are. All they want to do is have someone who does his or her job. 

    • Thinknaboutit

      Because if someone did care what color a perspective employee was they would advertise that fact.  They would tell all of their other employees and customers, right?

      • Thinkaboutitmore

        You are probably right! No one will say anything but you can feel it, right? 

    • GLH

      …doesn’t need benefits, won’t ask for a raise or a day off and will work off the clock. (and does the jobs of at least two other people they already fired)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

      Well they sure as hell do a double-take at seeing the skin color of people who apply for the job and act surprised that we’re the least bit competent, that we went to college at all and can read, write, and speak proper English. If they weren’t expecting white people then they wouldn’t be so damn surprised when they see that I’m not.

  • Steve Hanken

    Although the talk is about black unemployment, the fact remains unemployment is what it is, and getting worse for everyone. Slicing and dicing it into age, race, or whatever else, does not solve the problem of  distribution of wealth when so much of it ends up in the hands of the top 1%. Even those who are not there but have remained “middle class” to some extent, might be challenged if the government stopped paying their salaries in one way or another( ie: social workers, prison guards, college professors, farmers through subcities etc.) and then what? Would the people roll over like that have for each assault on them that has happened over the last twenty years by the wealthy and powerful? The Banksters, the Savings and Loan debacle, ENRON, the collapse of value to our one single largest investment, our homes, or are they going to throw off these who would have us remain pawns in their get rich quick at our expense manipulations. This includes both Democratic and Republican, dare I say even TeaParty, for what they have done to steal our democracy and our values from us.  

    • Zing

      Great BUR/NPR synopsis.  You should apply for a job there. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001433164800 Celt Glen

    Our schools no longer teach the truth about our History. And with the likes of Bachmann, Palin and Foxx–and as the TV picks them up and repeats their lies it becomes facts.

    Few children know more about the Civil Rights Movement except that they get MLK Day off from school. 

    Theses same school aged children are not allowed to see the news footage (film) of their Grand Parents being beaten by the police, or attacked by police dogs, nor women and children sprayed with fire hoses during PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS in the streets of American Towns.

    ” TEACH, YOUR CHILDREN WELL…”

    • Modavations

      Run from the Public Schools.Last week the Evening News said only 30% of 4th graders could identify a photo of Lincoln(probably only 50% of their teachers could).70% of 8th graders read below standards!!!!!!A kid called into Wash.Journal(the discussion was whether a college ed.was worth the money)and said he learned more working in a Pizza business ,then he did in 4 yrs of Ivy League College.

      • Zing

         Ivy League schools gave is the “brightest and the best”, remember?   That’s why Ivy League reps are so popular  at NPR. 

        • GLH

          What is the main toppings at Harvard, and do they have thin crispy crust? 

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

          Rich enough people can buy their kids’ way into the Ivies too you know. Look at how many libraries Yale has. Each extra one was purchased by some rich alumni trying to buy their moronic kids’ way through the admissions process with only a 30 ACT score or something like that….I’m sure there’s a story behind each and every one them.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

        Those functionally illiterate TEACHERS – how did they get their jobs, how did they get their teaching credentials?? They probably “knew someone” because in most states it’s more important that you come highly recommended for the various state teacher licensing programs than that you know the material!! I think to this day only New York and Massachusetts allow you to subject-matter-TEST your way into a teaching credential rather than just relying on references.

  • Eman

    Instead of remaining in large cities where there are no jobs due to labor market saturation African-Americans in the North and elsewhere ought to move back to the South and start to re-settle and re-activate small Southern towns.  There are hundreds of small towns all over the South which have declining populations that could be re-activated by the right people.  These towns are charming relics of a by-gone era that have many small storefronts, town squares, and so on — all they lack are enough people to make them economically viable.  Small shops, small and medium sized businesses, small farms, etc could all be re-established by an influx of African-Americans.  An influx of new people could re-invigorate all of these towns (again, there are hundreds of them), make them better for future expansion and growth.

    • Steve Hanken

      With so many unemployed for such long periods of time, what would be the point? No money to move, no money to start a business, the only thing that changes is the location and that pretty much looks like pre civil war, “move them back to where they come from” racism.  It didn’t work then, and I sincerely doubt that it would work now, but the proposal looks like you want to empty out the north to save small town southerners from exactly what? They would have even less opportunity there, that is the reason they moved north in the first place.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

        No, some of them moved North to get away from segregation and extreme overt in-your-face racism…to Upstate New York where it’s the same damn thing only colder. I’m from California and grew up in the “white” suburbs and went to college-prep school and then Yale….and the Northeast felt as segregated and awful as I’d been told stories of the Deep South. And don’t get me started on Boston or New York City….New Haven was bad enough.

    • http://twitter.com/MrStormE Eye Of The Storm

      you may as well say go back to africa IJS Thousands of Jobs aren’t there to give reason to “move back” I seriously think turning their communities into these boycotting self sufficient areas that can farm manufacture & sell goods world wide, is the only viable option left anything else is just what this post is about ( waiting for somebody to give you a job with the possibility of retirement …IJS

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

        “Go back to Africa” – to NATIVE AMERICANS?? I get told things like that all the time…..

    • Revelz

      Eman, the show spends quite a bit of time on what happens to African Americans who return to the South. They are finding there are no jobs, possibly due to Hispanic workers, but also offshoring and low demand.

    • GLH

      Nobody is tighter-fisted or more excluding of new arrivals than the property owners in little Southern towns. Woodie Guthrie said it best: Might as well go on back where you came from “…if you ain’t got the doe, Ray, me.” I know from trying North Carolina.  All the road workers and landscapers are Hispanic because they can run over them easier. When these immigrants start organizing they will all be labeled terrorists.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

        Rural New England towns that “cry out for Math teachers” are the same way. They may be “desperate” for math teachers who are willing to come all that way out there but their tone changes when they see the color of my skin!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

      And how many of those rural towns would accept a black-looking Math or Science teacher in their schools unless the schools were all-black…..which is a phenomenon that is impossible to teach math or science to, by the way, the way they behave in the classroom.

  • david

    I hope African Americans wake up soon!
    As one of the speakers stated, 90% of African Americans are solidly onboard the Obama/Democractic bus. They know that you are faithfully onboard, so now they need the Hispanic vote. 
    Make room folks and from the looks of these unemployment rates, somebody is being asked to move to the back of the bus!
    A good friend of mine was a good brick mason for years. He was 59 years old and still a good brick mason, till the Hispanics came. He could not find work anymore, so he decided he did not want to live anymore!
    In my area, every construction, road, bridge and sewer job funded by Federal grants were built with majority Hispanic labor.
    What a shame, what a shame, when those from another country and illegal at that are catered too over our own! 
      
     

    • Michael

      There’s a reason why African American tend to support democratic over republicans by overwhelming #. If your unaware listen to right wing talk radio(which i’m pretty sure you do). Often times republican tough on crime police supported terrorism and abuse. Overt attempts to deny blacks the right to vote. The base of the republican party are as about anti-black as one could get and you can hear on talk radio are pissed there can’t act or talk the way they once did.

      Or one could read some of the comments on this board to see why voting for republicans is hardly in there best interest esp for president.

      Nice dig at Hispanics btw and a another good reason as to not vote republican.

  • JimmyKl

    In post-racial America, much of this discussion is just sour grapes from those stuck in the past.  They are wasting our time.

    • ThresherK

      Great. What’s it like in the future? Did the Cubs win the World Series from when you are yet?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

        No I think the 49ers win the Super Bowl in that parallel universe……

    • GLH

      So up where you are ain’t nobody Whiter than Obama?

  • Silvatytom

    I live in soCal and I can’t speak for other SW states, however aside from the illegals taking construction jobs and manufacturing jobs, I worked in the restaurant business for decades and much of the kitchen help and even some servers were undocumented hispanics. Not only that but every Doctor’s office I walk into, as well as banks, and stores, as well as local government jobs, etc., are also majority hispanic. Usually you can tell they are probably not undocumented but definitely a majority of those and more jobs of which I’m sure they receive fair pay and most likely full benefits. With a few whites sprinkled in and even less blacks. It seems they far exceed what is expected under “quotas”

    I’m still wondering of course with the Bush tax cuts in place for just about 10 years now, which the Republicans defend to the point of acting like children given to tantrums, their reasoning was and still is they needed those tax breaks to create jobs. Well……………10 years on what’s their excuse now? Oh right just blame Obama. Who I’m also very disenfranchised with, we must develop more parties in this country so that our choice (if you can call it that) is not just between mean and evil for R’s and pretty much the same for the D’s, just not as mean and evil.

    I would like to think that if Obama gets a 2 term presidency that he will no longer be worried about reelection and start to do what is right for our country, the poor and the middle class, Republicans be damned.

    As much as I hate to give up my vote to the Republicans, I’m seriously thinking of voting either for the green party or perhaps Ralph Nader if he so chooses to run again.

    • http://twitter.com/MrStormE Eye Of The Storm

      i don’t know where to start yet I agree with the 1st half till Bush tax cuts 10 yrs POTUS Obama not even 4 yrs & what more he inherited … I CANT TELL YOUR “RACE”  but i see you are observant to a great deal… And would go out on a limb & say if Obama doesn’t get re elected This country will never be the same again. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

      I guarantee that all the hispanics you see all over California doing every job around you, all “pass for white,” which darker-skinned Hispanics and Native Americans, let alone blacks, do NOT. The job requirement is passing for white.

  • get up stand up

    I wish there would be some way to get the message out that these people need to look at new avenues of work, such as teaching.  Private schools are going strong.  The wealthy are still wealthy. Private schools are looking for diversity in their teaching staff.  College educated men and women of color should look to private grammar and prep schools for teaching opportunities. Those jobs are out there.  The pay is not great,  but it is better than nothing.

    • Kimberly N. Castaneda

      I work in a school district and we had horrible layoffs this year.  Nothing is safe these days!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

      You can’t just tell a group of people who as a whole may have way too much of a criminal record, to look at going into teaching. Most states worth living in criminal-background check teaching credential candidates and you will get denied if there’s anything at all on your fingerprint record. Hence the idea that “most blacks who can’t get jobs have criminal records and that’s why.”

  • Arnob L. Alam

    If Black unemployment is as high as 50% in some areas of the country, while the average Black unemployment rate is ~16%, there must then be some areas of the country where Black unemployment is significantly lower than the 16% average. What makes some areas so successful in terms of employing people, and what can the rest of the country learn from them?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

      Those places with lower Black unemployment have few or no black men living there. They’re places like Riverton, Wyoming where the double-digit percentage of unemployed minorities goes to Native Americans instead of blacks.

  • Kimberly Castaneda

    Hello:

    I received three awards for my work in the community volunteering and an excellent evaluation and my job was abolished after almost 19 years working for the school district, so your job is not safe.  Job security – what job security! I just thank God for unions and collective bargaining that gave me an opportunity to bid on another job.  I will be taking a $10 hr. cut in pay, but I still have a job working in the community where I volunteer (www.tuesdayreadiis.com).  Oh and yes; I am African-American.

  • Kimberly Castaneda

    I posted this note on facebook:

    Whose back on the cutbacks

    I wish people would realize it is not President Obama’s fault that the country is trillions of dollars in debt.  Remember, we are in two wars that congress collectively committed too with other turmoil straining our troops; businesses are cutting jobs instead of hiring, so unemployment is at an all time high; the stock market did almost crash and a majority of those problems were a result of other factors; a catastrophic oil spill that ruined tourism in the south; floods, tornados, wildfires and drought all factor into the deficit. Stimulus was put into the economy, but business sat on it and continued to layoff.
    I said it earlier today, greed is what is fueling stupidity when it comes to helping those less fortunate. People keep talking about the working class to make deep cuts, which is what we have been doing.  The well off those benefiting from loop holes in this country need to cut their own personal budgets and not continually cut the poor out of existence. 
    Furthermore, I had my job abolished and will be losing 10 hours a pay period by going to school year from year round stretch pay, so I know what sacrifice is all about as a single parent.  If it was not for having some senority, I would be in the unemployment line, so thank God for unions and collective bargaining.
    Earlier this evening, I saw  on the news where a superintendent decided to take a pay cut and I commend him.  We all need to cutback and that means not just the poor - everyone!

    By:  Kimberly N. Castaneda

  • Kimberly Castaneda

    My oldest daughter graduated from Harvard in 2007 and was layoff without work for almost a year in 2009.  She finally found work, but at a drastically reduced rate of pay in New York at a non-profit.  She is very intelligent and recently received the Consortium Fellowship were her college business school is paid for the next 2 years.  She just needs to pay for room & board.  Like I said, she is very intelligent and work was not out there to make a decent living where you are not struggling.  It is comes down to who you know sometimes even when you are fully capable of performing the job.  Affirmative action is needed, because people are assuming since we have a black President everything is copasetic.

    • Kimberly Castaneda

      Oops, she was laid off and does not have a record.

  • Kimberly Castaneda

    I agree about disproportionate levels of unemployed among those that have been incarcarated.  This society, continually punishes people even after they get out of jail and relegated to a low wage or self-employment in order to make it in today’s society.

  • Michael

    Curious how many Black males WBUR/NPR has working for them. Esp for WBUR which is located in a minority, majority area in mass?

    So far none if there link is correct, 58 people and not a single black male

    http://www.wbur.org/people

  • Citizenme

    The wealth that built this great nations and the perceived wealth that continues to recycle through it but without real African American acknowlegement and appreciation is disgraceful and distasteful of its occupants. It’s a great arrogance that continues it perpertuation in all the statics laid out in this discussion and all previous discussions before it. Our country had about a 20 trillion dollars headstart thanks to non wage compensation to African American during the great experiment. This money was invested in the our industrial revolution to make America profitable yet we are about as much in debt today.   African Americans and others are not the blame for what has happen to America so stop blaming them and instead acknowledge that it’s hard to build a country from scratch just like it is hard to build a business from scratch. To be profitable and healthy in all aspects of the businees require all our hands on deck. Lets go.

  • Dee

     
    This is one of those Sins and Shame Bob Herbert wrote about in his
    NYT column in 2010 on Corporate America. It seems many American
    companies in 2008 during the downturn in the economy laid off work-
    ers needlessly –like commodities –even though their profit margins
    were higher than usuual.  How shameful. Read the column below.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/31/opinion/31herbert.html
     
    This is also the culture of greed on Wall Street John Huges also wrote
    in The Christain Science Monitor in 2009 and suggested Obamam should target and rein in. There is no way they should be getting tax breaks after pulling the rug out under American workers and their families….
    http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2009/0409/p09s01-coop.html

    Indeed, as Karl Marx rightly pointed out capitalism without a moral conscience is grounds for a revolt…I have no doubt that’s where
    things are headed -if there isn’t a reining in of this greed too. Dee

  • MerlotMan

    Unfortunately, after 29 adult years attempting to point out to my black circle of friends the strategies required to succeed in a capitalist society, I must say, with a heavy heart, that many blacks will never make any meaningful economic progress in a capitalist system.  I have many theories – some have been touched upon in this discussion.  However, I will continue to try to enlighten anyone who is willing to listen.  Comments from a 47 year old black man.

  • Dee

    Obama should use this data to issue a jobs and community training
    act and infrastructure bill that will help minority and struggling com-
    munities across America and he should ask corporate America to help fund most of this program.

    I think that would begin to address their immoral response to workers
    plus it would redirect the public’s anger and at the same time allow
    companies who laid off so many workers in the downturn needlessly
     to begin to mend fences….Dee
      

  • Blade wood

    First of all , “black  people are not  one size fits all” . Even though we do get treated like we are all unemployed,jail and uneducated it is far from reality. Those of us that are educated and have the work ethic find ways to thrive because we don’t sit up and take the blame for the “ills in the hood” . It is a phenomenon going on when you have unqualified and less talented whites and people barely speaking english acting like  they have some advantage just because we are black. Personally by staying focused on things that are going to help me succeed and not reacting to ignorant opinions and values of whites who believe in colonialism. All other groups have all the same social problems. The truth is the illegal hispanic aliens get paid less because capitalism(colonialism) in its form rewards  the few that get rich and uses up the rest of the people in search of free and slave labor. And the ignorant blacks that are destroying the neighborhoods with the crime and foolishness do belong in jail when they commit these violent and property crimes. The petty crimes and the stupid “debtors court” (parking tickets, friend of court (no friend of anyone) etc….) is a crime itself!! No one should be wasting time in jail for these stupid things!! 

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

    That’s not good enough. Educated black people have it ten times as hard as whites with the same education even if they do major in the same thing – trying to get a job at all let alone int heir field.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Kennedy/100001233602883 Pamela Kennedy

    NO, if you look “black” it doesn’t matter how many college degrees you get you will have an awful time of it trying to pass a job interview in America, or the UK or Canada for that matter.

  • tor

    I didn’t grow up in the hood and grew up getting whatever I want pretty much.. but I can’t get a job.. sept student working.. lol..

  • tor

    I didn’t even go to jail.. 

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