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Turn Off That Camera! Filming The Police At Work

Dashboard cams in police cars are ubiquitous. Yet police are pushing back against Americans capturing them at work on cell phone cameras. Arresting people filming arrests. Is that right?

A screen capture from a video shot in Miami Beach on Memorial Day, during a shoot out with police officers. (Coolins335/Youtube)

A screen capture from a video shot in Miami Beach on Memorial Day, during a shoot out with police officers. (Coolins335/Youtube)

You see police arresting someone. Maybe it looks right and by the book. Maybe it doesn’t.

You pull out your cell phone and start to record. To make a video. And the next thing you know, you are arrested. The video-making bystander, in handcuffs. Facing charges.

It’s happening all around the country. Cell phones and their cameras are now everywhere. Police often don’t like to be recorded doing their work. It’s not always pretty.

But in the era of the citizen journalist, should making a video mean an arrest? Who’s the watchdog then?

This hour On Point: the battle over citizens videoing police.

- Tom Ashbrook

Guests:

Radley Balko,  senior writer and investigative reporter for the Huffington Post, where he covers civil liberties and the criminal justice system. He wrote this comprehensive piece on videotaping and law enforcement for Reason magazine.

Eugene Volokh, professor at UCLA law school where he teaches constitutional and criminal law. He blogs about this issue and other legal questions at Volokh Conspiracy.

Dennis Slocumb,  vice president of the International Union of Police Associations, AFL-CIO and thirty-two year veteran of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. His op-ed, “Respect Officers’ Rights.”

Carlos Miller, multimedia journalist who has been arrested twice for taking pictures of police officers. He started his blog, Photography Is Not A Crime, to address his own arrest and cover arrests around the country over filming the police.

More:

We are linking here to some of the controversial videos that will be discussed in this hour. A word of warning: some of these videos contain language and images that are not suitable for all viewers.

This video was taken in Miami Beach on Memorial Day, May 30, 2011. Narces Benoit, who shot this film on his cell phone camera, was arrested by police at the end of the incident. The video survived, after Benoit hid a small memory chip in his mouth, he told CNN.

http://youtu.be/RXpMzT5yGp8

Here’s a video from 2009 in New Haven, Conn. taken by a local priest, Jim Manship, of what he calls police harassment of Latino shop owners. He was arrested at the scene and charged with interfering with a police officer and creating a public disturbance. The Connecticut legislature has passed legislation to deal with the issue, though critics say it doesn’t go far enough.

http://youtu.be/ySYxlp9fa_k

In this clip Luis Luna was arrested in 2010 for using his iPhone to film an assistant police chief while he was on the job. Arrested and thrown in jail after police on the scene erased his video, Luna has since said he’s considering filing a civil lawsuit against the officer.

http://youtu.be/LzFlYGXE49s

Maryland Air National Guard staff sergeant Anthony Graber was arrested and faced up to 16 years in prison for filming his own arrest by a state trooper, captured in this video. Brought up on charges of illegally wiretapping the encounter, a judge threw out the case six months later.

http://youtu.be/RK5bMSyJCsg

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  • Roger Runnalls

    police don’t work for the people, they work for the property owners.  so if they have to rough up some people in the act of performing their duties, so be it.  that’s the law of the land in america.  time for the people to strike back and teach the police a lesson by ending their exorbitant pay, benefit and retirement packages.  if the teachers and other union workers can take it in the shorts, so can the police.

    • Cory

      Bravo, Roger!

    • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

      They get paid more than me for yelling and screaming if I ask for a direction. State Police Officers are more in danger on Highways because of reckless driving and drunk driving. State Police officers are more educated than regular Police officers. BP should solve the increasing killings in Boston for the past 7 years.

    • Chris

      The rich destroy the middle class and public services then hire their thug mercenaries to protect all the wealth and property they stole.

  • Brian

    Ubiquitous personal cameras are hugely important for holding the authorities accountable when they abuse their authority. Without cameras, they’re pretty much free to run rampant as they are sheltered by lax prosecution and the blue wall of silence.

    For just one example, Adrian Schoolcraft was committed for whistle blowing against the NYPD. Good thing he recorded everything else he’d still be locked up.

  • barent johnson

    there is also the problem of police with cameras in their cars,the reason being, that “creative editing”, can distort what is actually taking place in front of them. more directly to the topic,we do indeed live in a police state,if people are not allowed to film cops.

  • William

    The police have become to “quick to shoot” in this country. Incidents in Seattle, Orlando and now Miami reflect a trend to “shoot first” and ask questions latter. I wonder why the FBI is so afraid to go after the police or at least ask more questions about their conduct.

    • Anonymous

      Have become to quick to shoot? Where have you been. This has always been a problem on some level. LA use to have one of the worst police forces out there. In New Orleans there were police who shot people in cold blood during Katrina and some of them have gone to jail for murder.  In the 30′s, 40′s and 50′s it was common to be beaten senseless by the police if you were arrested and of a certain race or class.  

  • Tayler

    What law are they breaking by filming the police?

    • Cory

      The law of making people with power uncomfortable.

  • Cory

    I spent a year as a Deputy Sheriff, and I can assure you that these are not heroes.  They are just people.  Frail and flawed like the rest of us with body odor and bad breath.  They cheat on their spouses and their taxes just like anyone else.  Some are smart, some are stupid.  Some want to make a difference for the good, and many just view it as a job with good bennies.

    There is one impotant difference…

    They hold the power of life and death over the rest of us.  They can beat you with a baton, spray pepper spray in your face, stun you with a massive electrical shock, restrain you with shackles, lock you in a cell, or shoot you with pistols or shotguns.

    KEEP THE CAMERAS ROLLING!  As civility in America continues to decline, the police will likely become more brutal to protect the plutocratic status quo.  When things get bad enough for enough people that they begin to act, the thin blue line will be one of the first lines of defense.

    P.S.  Watch for the dawn of privately owned police forces to protect the folks at the top.  They will be signifigantly less accountable than government run police.

    • ThresherK

      @e533c71f78b04b5363a41d402415bf87:disqus
      Since you’ve been there: I’ve read that there’s a large chunk of cops who like Mirandizing because they don’t have to worry how Judge X or Judge Y is going to interpret thinks. True?

      Same with cameras? Are we dealing with two distinct groups of officers, and never the twain shall meet?

      PS Privately owned police forces? It’s never too early to make with the RoboCop jokes is it?

  • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

    In the Philippines to be a Police officer. the applicant must have a criminology degree or a 2 year College degree before becoming a cop.
    High School grad are accepted but usually left out because of high competition with police officers with college degrees. So, a lot of Filipino police officers are college graduate unlike here in America majority are only High School graduates.

  • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

    Boston Police are pretty rude. They yell when they talk and they think the own the streets. Filipino Police officers used to be like that but they changed when a communist break away group called “The Alex Boncayao Brigade” or ABB started killing corrupt police officers on the streets of Manila but one victim was an American soldier named US Army Col. James Rowe – RIP. He was involved in training soldiers in Manila. ABB didn’t liked it because ABB said he trained corrupt soldiers and police officers. After the ABB assassinations haulted a lot Police officers in the Philippines started to lay low on corruption and the killing stop.

    • Pacaruso

      Are you trying to say that the US Army and their pals are involved in training corrupt police officers and repressive military forces in countries not of their own ??  Unfortunately this is very true.

      • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

        yes but Col James Rowe won’t even know if he was training a corrupt military or police offficials. Col James Rowe was only doing his job to help the Filipino people. He was a victim and it wasn’t his fault. He was great soldier like any other US soldiers in the far east.

  • LJS

    Tayler asked what law is being broken…

    Massachusetts prohibits secretly recording a conversation without the consent of all parties to it. See Gen. Laws ch. 272 § 99. A key is that the recording cannot be secret. See Commonwealth v. Hyde, 434 Mass. 594, 750 N.E.2d 963 (2001). How obvious must you be? It is not clear.Commonwealth v. Hyde, 434 Mass. 594, 750 N.E.2d 963 (2001). How obvious must you be? It is not clear.
    If the camera person is being quiet, inobtrusive, and standing back, there’s likely no problem with interfering with the arrest or putting anyone (including the camera person) in danger. If the camera person is being obnoxious or getting too close, there may be some legitimate concerns about those actions.

    • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

      If a person is in a Public place it is not a secret. That law is only for people who are engaged in meetings or personal meeting with someone or phone conversations. In public places need no consent to be recorded. A tv reporter or tv stations can actually record a crime scene in progress, that includes the American people.

    • Tayler

      Thanks for bringing up those law LJS.  I agree

    • Donuts

      ok so explain the traffic cams (and stop light cams under consideration) hidden all over the state with no signage anywhere. So MA is breaking it’s own laws?
      http://trafficland.com/city/BOS/index.html (a private company but had to be sanctioned by the state to put them up on state property)As well, under this law, no tv station can go out and film as they do not have gone and gotten consent to film all the people on the street or at and event that fall within the cameras range.

      • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

        You are talking about the Law. Who in any essence can record the American people. because they wrote the law

    • nj

      The law you refer to (Gen. Laws ch. 272 § 99) has no bearing on filming or recording interactions in a public place. The law was written in the context of investigating organized crime. Totally irrelevant to the issue being discussed today. Read it yourself: 

      http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter272/Section99

  • Idrisyn

    Police powers and accountability are an important topic and I look forward  to hearing the show. Bravo On Point.
    Just because a police station flies an MIA flag outside doesn’t mean that criticizing police should be judged impious!

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  • Bruce Guindon

    I have a great deal of respect for the thankless job that the police must do to keep me safe in an increasingly hostile environment, however filming them doing their job should not be a problem as long as I do not pose a threat to the performance of their job  

    • Idrisyn

      You must have seen crime statistics I haven’t, because I don’t see this “increasingly hostile environment” you refer to.

  • Donuts

    That cop cutting off the bike, pulling a gun, no lights, no badge… WTF. Damn right the judge through it out. Not only that but his angled parking job at the location it is at, with not even normal emergency flashers on  is more of a hazard to the public than that bike ever was during the whole video. As for the video, just like we have to assume we are being filmed when we are out in public, so do the cops! 

  • Sarahb2227

    In Philadelphia, the cops are pretty notoriously crooked. I wish this had been around when I asked for directions a few years ago at a detour and the officer on the scene decided to smash the side view mirror on my daughter’s side of the car because he didn’t “like my tone.”

  • JasonB

    Thanks for addressing this issue, Tom.  Frankly, I would love to see a case where officers confiscated or destroyed someone’s video device go to the Supreme Court. 

    Can police seize and search your phone for videos without a warrant, even if they claim they are collecting evidence for an investigation as they did in the recent Florida incident? To make an analogy, if a crime is caught on a security camera on private property, my understanding is that if police wanted the video from that camera, they would have to receive it voluntarily or obtain a warrant. If not for citizens capturing bad police on camera, we wouldn’t know about misconduct that we, as citizens are essentially paying them to conduct. Police are here to protect and serve, but some of these cops create an “us against them scenario” when we see them beating Rodney King. 

  • Greg

    This isn’t Nazi Germany. This isn’t North Korea. Any officer that arrests someone for using a cell phone camera in public should lose their badge. Clear abuse of authority. This is very very disturbing.

    • nj

      Why is this even a question? Any citizen has the right to film anything in a public place. Why possible excuse is there for this kind of fascist abuse of power? Why aren’t people uniformly upset by this?

      Thanks to On Point for shining a light of this.

  • Bill

    That police shooting in Miami was a public execution. Nothing will be done and the police will “high five” each other about “a good shoot”. The only defense we have is people filming the police. It will take time, but more and more police officers will be charged with crimes using video evidence taken by a citizen.

  • Squarooticus

    If a cop is not willing to do what he is doing on camera, then he shouldn’t be doing it. It really is that simple.

  • Wilg

    In Rhode Island the cops are on their own phones most of the time.  Drive by a construction site and watch the cops texting on their phones instead of directing traffic

  • http://twitter.com/mofycbsj Brian

    I generally respect police so if they’re doing nothing wrong, they should have nothing to be afraid of. As long as the filmers are on public property and not interfering in the arrest or jeopardizing anyone’s safety in any way, then it would be completely outrageous to arrest them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Duveen/660887446 Peter Duveen

    You all know that horrible crimes that the police have attempted to cover up have been recorded, and as a result, criminality in the police force has been revealed. In America, there shall be no law abridging the freedom of the press. These arrests of people recording the police are absolutely outrageous!

  • Diane Carr

    This is similar to the socalled “Ag-Gag” bills that are cropping up all over the US in several states: Forbidding anyone to film what is going on in agriculture – animal or otherwise.  My daughter is writing a story on this and is en route to Iowa as I type this.  For example: http://www.humanesociety.org/news/news/2011/05/minnesota_ag_gag_052511.html

  • 24Vet

    I’m a 24 year police veteran, and live in Illinois, which is a state that prosecutes citizens for recording a police officer.  I couldn’t disagree more with this law.  Any and every officer should behave as if they are always being recorded.  The only reason to have a law like this is protect officers who are acting way beyond the scope of the law.

  • Gadfly2

    Show me instances where filming police has obstructed justice or disturbed the peace or maliciously harmed an upright law enforcement officer.
    ?
    Okay. That was a very short list.
    Now, let’s name all the times filming of illegal, unethical and malicious behavior by a law officer has put some brakes or shone some light on dangerous abuses of power. Power that we entrust to law officers who are our public servants.
    ?
    Say what ? Too many too count?
    Oh. A national data base would be required and it would be HUGE .

  • SteveV

    If you want better police officers in your community then pay them more, give them better benefits and a full retirement after 20 years. In exchange for this, raise the expectations for educational requirements, training and behavior. Police Officers are, in summary, a reflection of our society.

    • Chris

      You’re kidding right?

      Police are on the top of the heap of public “servant” pay and benefits.

      And many of them do little more than sit on their behinds daily to “earn” them.

  • David

    We are leaving in a fascist state today. As citizens we are continually being asked to give up our rights in the name of security. This slippery slope became very slippery with the drug laws. After 9/11, this has even become more slippery.  

    Why should it be wrong to video tape police officers doing their jobs? If they are doing their job correctly, what is the problem?  

    If I can’t tape a police officer, why can they tape the stop?  

    It is time for the citizens of this country tell the government that they can not continue take the rights guaranteed by the constitution.  

    It is time we better monitor the police. In the last 20 twenty years how times have we seen patently illegal activities by police throughout the country?  

  • Mark Bay

    Is there even a question that filming police isn’t a public good?  Well, a question from someone who isn’t a cop?  There are some places, especially rural areas in the south, where the only requirement for becoming a cop is being related to someone important and the only difference between cops and criminals is a badge and uniform.  Video cameras are one of the few things that keep the police from running completely wild.

  • Trcf

    Bashar al-Assad would heartily approve such a ban.

  • Cassie

    Recording is the citizen’s first line of defense against police who have, unfortunately, gone wrong and abused authority. We are recorded by the police all the time, in traffic, by their squad car cameras. The justification for this is to keep us safe and if we aren’t doing anything wrong, we have nothing to fear. Why shouldn’t it also be the same for police, especially in public?

    I’m not surprised that many of these videos and discussions have to do with the New Haven police. They have a bad reputation for unjust abuse of power on normal citizens, and are the reason why we no longer visit the city. I’d rather go to Hartford where the police are much more trustworthy and helpful.

  • Ed053

    Any chance of a federal law to explicitly allow such filming, overriding state laws?

  • Ryan P

    Doesn’t the video camera revolution go both ways? Security cameras have been used for decades to protect businesses and assist police.

    Now, people can use cameras to protect themselves.

  • Chris

    The courts have ruled that on duty police have no right to privacy.

  • Cabmanjohnny

    Surprised at the growing police state mentality in this topic? Of course police do not like such exposure. Not just them-the system. Everything becomes a felony for fear factoring your compliance and obedience for you to be managed by this system. Keep filming police with your cell phones when they are questionable. This is the new ubiquitous media tool which keeps such abuse at bay, professional conduct on its toes, and your liberties intact. 

  • Ellen Dibble

    Tom cited Massachusetts as one of the states where police do NOT have an expectation of privacy, but now he’s cited a case a few years back where someone was charged with a crime for videotaping something.  Maybe that prompted the Mass. law.
         I am reminded of my going around Communist Prague, where you were not allowed to photograph anything related to the military.
           My own experience in Mass. is that the police have their own tapes which they use in court “all the time.”  A motorist is stopped.  There is court, I get a grainy thing to transcribe:  “Hi, do you know why you’re being pulled over?”  …. “I want you to say the alphabet…”  “A, B, C…”   The defense attorney tells the police officer, “What you just testified to, that the defendant skipped the letter P, that isn’t right, is it?  The defendant skipped T, not P.”
        That was the best defense.
        Or there is the turret tape that captures all the communications between the cops.  “Did you ask your supervisor before you entered the house for permission?”  
    Etc.
    Their best defense (the police, that is) is the best possible record.

  • Jkriegel8

    Police in this country is poorly educated and they behave badly in treatment with citizens. The example of the police officers beating up a student in Roxbury is an example why we need to hold them accountable. They shoot people wildly and cover it up (see the boy from MA in NY) and there is rarely a prosecution of the police officer. It is a  shame that instead of holding police accountable the bystanders will be prosecuted but then America is almost like a police state. I just wonder why we have enough money to finance 3 or 4 police standing all day around a workplace. Make them hunt criminals and hold them accountable.

  • Freeman

    Good Morning Tom;
                              There seems to be a PATTERN on the news of ” abuse of power” by law inforcement agencies. An axiom I learned some time ago: “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
    Of course not to deminish one iota the appreciation we have for those in Law inforcement agencies. These individuals are ” PUBLIC ” employees, paid for by their communities. They are NOT a Law into themselves; if they are following the rules; what is the problem ????

  • Scott B, Jamestown, NY

    Cops carrying vidcams in their patrol cars is a standard now, and some departments are using small units  that are carried on the body; all in an effort to make sure that what’s happened is verifiable. It’s shown proof of a suspect being confrontational, and of abuse by police. It’s also a deterrent for both sides, with both parties acting on their better behaviors.   But it can’t work from just one direction, that’s hypocrisy at least.

    It’s not like the cops are working undercover and it would be bad for their image to get out. In that case it would be understandable for the police to be concerned, but no excuse for being abusive.  Usually if something sensitive has been recorded a polite request goes a long way. Police being abusive towards someone that has recorded them is probably a
    red flag that what was being done was something not above board.

    But uniformed police in public aren’t trying to be discreet and should fall under the same rules as anyone wanting to film in any public area. 

    • ThresherK

      It’s a deterrent if all parties can be assured that the video hasn’t undergone Breitbarting.

      How are laws keeping up with this? Is such video treated as evidence and subject to all the rules (chain of custody, etc) a la cop shows?

  • http://en-gb.facebook.com/onanov Donald Baxter

    Contempt of Cop Laws, essentially.  What is our nation turning into?

  • Ed053

    We’re becoming a police state!

  • David

    If I have a security camera on my property, either residential or commercial, and it views and records outside activity. If my security camera (which is hidden) captures a police incident, is this illegal? If so, why?  

    What is different in this case versus someone pulling a camera out and recording police activity?  

    YES – we should be able to record the police activity. There should be no laws against this.  

    There is NO expectation of privacy in public today. Look at all of the security cameras today. As I drive and walk the streets, I expect today to see security all around.  

  • Anonymous

    Anthony Graber was speeding, at one point he even adds to his video that he’s going about 127 miles an hour on a busy highway.
    The State Police who pulled him over made a lot of mistakes, for one he had no badge and pulled out his gun. That was an over reaction but this guy did break the law.  Interesting case.

    • Tackdriver56

      If someone without a badge jumped out of an unmarked car and pulled a gun on me, I might have to pull my own gun and shoot him. I would definitely need the video to document my own self defense.

      • Anonymous

        Except if you noticed there was a marked State cop car right behind him. Even if I was armed I would never had pulled a gun out.
        You would have been shot by the way.

    • Kaezoo

      The most controversial part of the Graber case wasn’t the issue of whether he deserved to be arrested, or whether the arresting officer conducted himself properly.  It was that Graber faced felony wiretap charges because he recorded the encounter and posted it online.  

    • Kaezoo

      The most controversial part of the Graber case wasn’t the issue of whether he deserved to be arrested, or whether the arresting officer conducted himself properly.  It was that Graber faced felony wiretap charges because he recorded the encounter and posted it online.  

    • Kaezoo

      The most controversial part of the Graber case wasn’t the issue of whether he deserved to be arrested, or whether the arresting officer conducted himself properly.  It was that Graber faced felony wiretap charges because he recorded the encounter and posted it online.  

  • corey

    the police are working for the public, paid for by the taxpayer. when operating in their (the public) interest they should be boholden to them (the public) for their actions. if a photographer is present for a newspaper, they are able to document a situation legally (or at least in this country we assume they have that right), why not the citizens? if the police can video the citizens, why cant the citizens video tape the police? cameras in all hands equalize the playing field. see THE TRANSPARENT SOCIETY a book by DAVID BRIN on the subject. 

  • BHA in Vermont

    If I recall, the trouble with the Rodney King video was that it was only part of the entire event. It is unacceptable when the ‘inflammatory’ part of a video is the only thing seen.

    With regard to filming police at work, I see no reason it should NOT be legal. If they are doing nothing wrong, the video will serve only to prove false any claims to the contrary against the police by the ‘suspect’.

    Of course, with the internet and YouTube uploads, ANYONE can instantly make ‘false conclusion’ videos available to the world. Riots happen before any validation of the facts can be made.

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

    Vidcams are a great way to weed out bad cops. I have great respect for their job and have known quite a few, most of them good. But I’ve run into a few that a camera pointed at the bad ones would have been a very good thing indeed.

  • Dave

    In an age when local and state governments have cameras mounted on street lights and highway signs and police cars, how can it be illegal to video tape something that happens in a public area?

    • Chris

      Because those in power want to hide their crimes.

  • Lara

    What is going on is a pattern of abuse from the police that needs to be exposed and addressed. Anyone should be able to record.  If the police are doing their job they should have nothing to be concerned about. 

  • Jamie

    Oh please, police have no problem being recorded. How many police drama shows a-la COPS or wildest police chases, etc… are there? They DO have a problem with being caught abusing their authority. “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”

  • ymc

    Possibly because I’m a nerd, but this immediately came to mind: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

  • Kyle

    Police officers routinely overuse non-lethal force.  They only thing we can do to stop that is video tape the excessive use of force.

  • Ellen Dibble

    If I were an officer making an arrest, when saying “put up your hands,” I would definitely watch for cell phones, whether or not they “look like a gun,” because a cell phone could be used, with a single touch of a button, to alert co-conspirators, to call for back-ups, for someone to come around to remove inculpatory evidence (a gun thrown down or drugs thrown down) (or shoot at the police?; or stab them — it happens) — all sorts of things.  I would not want an electronic device “on” suspects, no.

  • Rob

    the police are our surrogates: we are all, collectively, responsible for what we entrust them to do.  therefor, we should be well-informed and have no illusions about how they work.  don’t patronize us by saying we won’t understand videos of police in action.

  • Brandon1832

    should video be considered a form of self protection?

    • Chris

      Self defense. Yes.

  • Shannon4s

    How about a day of civil disobedience: Videotape a Cop Day!

  • Sam

    In which states can you not record the cops? Can you please post a link? I wouldn’t want to break this “wonderful” law.

    Thank you

  • Spirit17of76

    There is only one reason to prevent filming of public officials doing work in public: a burgeoning police state.

    It is wrong.  It is dangerous.  Very wrong and very dangerous.  Being arrested or beaten for recording police crimes is what I mean is wrong.  

  • Ed Siefker

    Those who are charged with enforcing the law should be held to higher standards than the rest of us.  Not only should recording the police be allowed, it should be mandatory.  Every police officer should be recorded every minute that they are on duty, and the loss of *any* of this data should be presumptive evidence of wrong-doing.   Why should we give the police the benefit of a doubt when they are not willing to extend the same to us?

    These days in the US it seems like our government is completely unaccountable.  How can anyone support the idea that it should be illegal to record the police breaking the law?  How can anyone support the idea that the Attorney General can violate the Constitution with immunity?  How can anyone support the idea of warrantless wiretapping? Why has no one been prosecuted for acts of torture? Is it just me or is the United States *out of control*? 

  • Kevin (Omaha)

    Very much sounds like the same things the US is railing against in the Arab states.  Even harkens back to WWII Germany

  • David

    On Point had an author on the air a few months ago that talked about the Gates affair in Boston. He felt, which seems to be true, that police don’t like anyone to challenge their authority. The people using a camera is looked as a challenge to the police authority and they react accordingly.

    • Beth in Atlanta

      I can see their point, given how stressful their job is, but if a policeman can’t distinguish a legitimate threat or challenge to their authority from a subjectively perceived one, it opens to door for cops to see their own authority as absolutely impeachable.  That, to me, runs counter to protecting and serving the citizenry.

  • Ellen Dibble

    Say I’m walking along the street and I see two guys having an all-out fight rolling around in the street.  I pull out my cell phone and yell to them, “Stop or I’ll call the police.”
        Tom is saying it’s illegal to video people without getting permission from all parties.
        But in that circumstance, I’d be thinking about videotaping the fight AS WELL AS hitting 911.  I definitely would.

    • Sam

      I used to take pictures for our city’s online site at the events, in buildings and on the street. We were told that as long as I took a picture of a person in a public place where there was no expectation of privacy, it was ok not to ask their permission.

      Granted, we always asked permission to take someone’s picture, but we took pictures of crowds and random passerby all the time and posted them online. Identifiable people or not.

      In fact I recently found someone I took a picture of, whom I didn’t know, he pulled it from a gallery and re-posted it on his own site. (he gave me credit)

      • Ellen Dibble

        That bit about the dog came along with guidelines for artists working from life or from photos of “life.”  It was enough of a deterrent to me to switch off my artistic inclinations.  Either I become an impressionist, abstract, abstract, something-new kind of an artist or I skips it.  Most likely, nobody would be able to recognize whose pooch I was “using” anyway.
           The local newspaper was editorializing about the extent to which people pirate photographs off the internet and post them here and there, giving the identities of those thus pirated.
            This must have come up in the wake of the issue of the identity of the Wiener, um, whatever it was.  In that case, if it was his own self being depicted, supposedly he could legitimately post it and claim it as himself.  Except …

  • Ken in Stamford

    PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR CLASSIC MASS COORDINATED CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE:  for people who live anywhere near someplce where this is an issue.  Get together with other people, sign and send the following letter to local Chief and D.A.:  “Sometime in the next 30 days, a number of us will be surreptitiously gathering near a place of police activity.  All of us will be carrying items which at least appear (from a distance) to be cameras.  One of us will be very obviously appearing to be filming the police.  Each time that person is threatened by the police, another person in the chain, 20-to-50 feet away, will appear to be photographing, and so on, one after another.  At least one of us will be filming whith a live wirteless feed to the internet, where the images are safe from destruction by police.  Feel free to interpret this letter as a willing and knowing conspiracy to violate whatever laws you may think are being violated by this photography.”

  • Lara

    It appears to me that the man who was riding the motorcycle provided more information to incriminate himself. 

     However, as a woman I am concerned when I see an unmarked car and a man not in uniform.  Did this man with the gun have the right to pull a gun on the motorcycle? 

    Without CLEAR procedures then we are blurring the lines on what people can trust and more problems would arise.  I say this, because if a man in an unmarked car, without a uniform got out and pointed a gun at me…I may have driven away in defense of my life. 

  • Bob

    What a poorly crafted program on a very serious subject!  On Point is produced in Boston, MA – one of the two states mentioned on the program as having passed laws that specifically prohibit citizens from recording police activities.  Tom’s staff clearly failed to contact MA officials -  just down the street at the AG’s Office, State Police or Boston PD to find a spokeperson to defend their point of view.  If the staff Did try and contact MA officials and those officials declined to particpate – that too is worthy of comment.  Poorly crafted show Tom!!

    • Sam

      Tom and his show isn’t the “end-all” and “know-it-all” for this issue.

      He brings up topics to public view and arranges for a discussion, so that those more people can hear about it.

      Thank you Tom, for bringing this very important issue to light.

      Civility, Bob! Civility. Is that too much to ask for?

    • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

      Thanks for the info. I haven’t seen any cops being recorded in Massachusetts. I wish they record the shooting going in Boston for years not the police officers but young kids killing innocent people.

  • Rayvera1976

    Fact-check: The PD involved with the Fr. Manship incident was EAST haven, not NEW HAVEN. it is a separate city. but the NEW Haven PD has been involved in several incidents, as–and (i think) no consequences from the PD internally except a slap on the wrist…

    http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/meanwhile_out_on_the_street_/

  • Dave

    Why hasn’t this issue made it to the supreme court? Is there case on its way there?

    • Ed Siefker

       Are you sure you want this issue to reach the Supreme Court?  They ruled *UNANIMOUSLY* that the Attorney General was immune from suit for fragrantly violating the Constitution (Al Kidd).  The SCOTUS has become nothing more than a rubber stamp for authoritarianism. 

  • Anonymous

    The Miranda right did not become a right until 1966. Before that you did not have the right to remain silent or have an attorney present.
    Something that is still a huge problem in this country for people who can’t afford decent legal counsel.

    It seems to me that the Supreme Court will have to have case brought before it to settle this.   

  • Johnsvarner

    With the proliferation of cameras monitoring traffic, stores, banks, street corners, work places, Big brother is watching us more and more.  Yet we aren’t afforded the same right to document public employees at work? 
    This is a troubling extension of the military’s preventing journalists from documenting war.  We are gallopping toward a police state beyond Orwell’s dreams….

    • Beth in Atlanta

      Well put, my thoughts exactly.

  • Plparshall

    1. The Supreme Court allows the new “No Knock” law.
    2. The Patriot Act gets renewed.
    3. NYTimes reports (6/14/11) 1400 FBI Agents given “New Powers”

    This a necessary step as the Police become the Secret Police

    • Chris

      The police have been militarized this past decade.

      American citizens, do you really think that was done to police  Al Qaeda or is it to control you when you have no jobs, no home, no food?

  • Caitlin

    There is a lot of talk about the First Amendment, but what about the Second? The core value of the Second Amendment is the citizen’s right to protect him/herself against the armed agents of the state. In the 18th century, that might have meant keeping a musket, but in the 21st, the best way to protect ourselves is to hold police accountable through video and audio recordings. I live in MA and could do jail time for recording a uniformed, on-duty officer, but I would still do it if I saw something that looked wrong. Video recorders are the best protection citizens have.

  • Rex Henry

    I believe it is a citizen’s right to show/reccord their side of the story and control the checks and balances of our law enforcement.

  • Matt

    Many officers are just criminals on the other side of the law — they enjoy having power over others and love it when people talk back to them.

    Being young and taking a walk at night is often reason enough for a police officer to harass you. This is because there is little accountability. Bring back accountability and this problem will go away.

  • Oneifrank18

    All I’d like to add is this, which the authorities like to throw in our faces – “If you  have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.” 

  • J M

    Forget about citizen journalism – I was a paramedic for over 10 years and witnessed police crimes myself – one including police handcuffing an asthma patient to a bench until he died.  The police developed their own story (which I also witnessed) when the commissioners came in at 2 am to do a cover up.  This is simply people having one relatively minor tool in defending ourselves about a rogue police force.  If police had nothing to hide, they would care less about being photographed.

  • Kristofurjon

    The problem is police routinely lie, to suspects, citizens, judges, the press. Video takes a major tactic away and exposes the police culture of only two groups, cops and suspects.

  • Luke62984

    Hello,
    I was wondering how would the case of JOSEPH W. NAMATH v. SPORTS  ILLUSTRATED (07/10/75) could be applied to this issue. Where Joe Namath tried to sue Sports Illustrated for photographing him at a football game and ultimately losing the case because the courts had ruled that his picture was taken in a public place.

    • Tribalguitars

        If you look around at many venues there are signs that say something to the effect, “No cameras, video cameras, or recording equipment of any kind is permitted.” 

        Many artist don’t want bootleg recordings, or unapproved pictures, getting out, and basically loosing a buck. Some artists, like the Greatful Dead and Metallica, were the exception way back when.

        But with the average cell phone being able to do what used to take lots of large equipment, those notices go largely unheeded.  It doesn’t thrill the performers all the time, but they know that times change, and being open to it, even to some degree, generates good will.

        If the law enforcement would take this attitude, it would be great PR, and weed out bad cops.  There should be more video released by the cops of citizen news gathers that show how the cops did something right, and that the cops shouldn’t fear the public with a camera, and the public shouldn’t fear the cops. Unfortunately what we usually see is some LEO being abusive towards the suspect and not the other way around. 

  • Chris

    The reason this is a problem with police is that a mind set is cultivated that they are all powerful and the citizens must obey them. Even if they are planting evidence, wrongfully arresting people, and brutalizing them.

    Now our government is preemptively arresting people for what they “might do”. See the convention in Minneapolis in 2008.  That’s called a police state. Are you going to stand for that America?

    • Ed Siefker

       Yes, America will stand for this.  When fascism came to America, it came wrapped in a flag and waving a cross.

      • http://twitter.com/ItWorksInTheory ItWorksInTheory

        A cross has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with abuse of powers.

        • Terry Tree Tree

          ItWorks,    Please explain how so many priests, and other religious ‘authority figures’ have never been charged with molesting children, and other crimes, that have been reported? 

  • Tackdriver56

    It’s not just about police misbehavior, but police laziness.

    I started bicycling with a video “crash camera”, after the death of a bicyclist in CT was written off by police as a “fell off bike” accident. Cyclists believe this was a hit-and-run, and I want my family to have evidence, if anything like this ever happens to me.
    Police will do NOTHING to an offending driver without a plate number, but the victim of an assault can seldom see or remember a plate. Recording video of passing cars allows the victim to go to the police with real evidence that forces them to get off their butts and do their jobs.
    Last year one of my riding companions was deliberately run off the road in Massachusetts. I did not catch the actually incident, but the same vehicle passed us again, and I provided the victim with a still photo from the video. The police officer he complained to was uncooperative and even hostile, when he learned that someone was bicycling in his state with an always-on video recorder. I attribute this more to laziness than malfeasance, but the message is clear: some police DO NOT want anyone except themselves collecting evidence to support victims of violent crime.Recording like this in a public place should should NEVER subject the videographer to threats of prosecution, whether it involves recording Police actions or simply always-on recording events from the citizen’s perspective.

    • Tribalguitars

      It sounding more like some police are seeing citizen news gathering as an infringement on their territory. However, every state allows for a citizen arrest.  Wouldn’t direct evidence though some type of media be better than word of mouth?

  • Mcarangelo

    The most frightening thing to me is that this is even a debate, that the question is even being asked. Think about the reaction that the founding fathers would have to this question and you will have your answer. When you start asking questions like this you are opening the door to a police state.

  • Bon

    How is it legal for store fronts and police dash cams to record, and not citizens/press.

  • John

    If it is 1% of the encounters, there should be accountability that punishes them.

  • Anonymous

    What other POSSIBLE protection can there be against police brutality and other misconduct?? Otherwise it’s just their word against yours.

    Forget about the first amendment. You don’t need to be a journalist to hold our public employees accountable.

  • Philiphojnacki

    I feel police officers who object to being recorded are hiding something, otherwise there should be no reason why anyone shouldn’t be able to record footage of a public servant. If an arrest is made accordingly, the person recording will have useless footage of some police officer. How interesting!

  • Ellen Dibble

    Say you’ve got a video where the time stamp on it is a bit off, and someone’s defense is that the person with the video, who is complaining, has stacked the deck, has “set him up” for prosecution, and that defense uses the video by pointing out that the video time shows the putative crime taking place AFTER the 911 call came in.  And the dispatcher comes in with those time-stamped records.  There you go; someone reports a crime minutes before it takes place.  
    Technology never lies, right?

  • Ren Knopf

    Two questions here, first: What are the Police afraid of? And second: What was the outcome of the situation where a cop put his gun to the head of camera-toting driver? The latter first: absenting any other information, this is an abusive heavy-handed use of excessive force. If the video taper is out of the way, how was the officer trained to think his wild-West actions would be okay? Has transparency become a variable? Charging camera-toters seems to be the new DWB. So is the answer to the former that the police be allowed to do as they please?
    Ren Knopf,Framingham,MA

  • David

    What about the analouge of the Valerie Plain situation?

    You know someone to be an officer, and see them exiting a crack house. Can you post a video of that or a picture from his academy yearbook, with a caption ” undercover officer?”

  • Scott B, Jamestown NY

      I can understand that cops might feel like they’re being put under scrutiny in anticipation, or perhaps even prejudice, that they are *going* to do something wrong, and that can make a bad shift worse. But if they’re not doing anything wrong, then what are they worried about?

    There are  things that the cops do that might seem like something wrong to the average citizen but aren’t. Most people, once it’s explained to them in a civil manner, get that.  But it they are doing something wrong, then it’s on record and the good cops, and good government, should want that brought to light so it can be dealt with.

    There is no expectation of privacy in public anymore.  The average US citizen is on some camera something like 200 times a day when in public, at stores, ATMs, banks, traffic cameras, etc.  In Britain it’s several times that, in London in particular. 

    Also in Britain, when you enter a police station you are being recorded, visually and audibly.  They cannot interview or interrogated a person without it being on camera.  There’s no one walking out of an interrogation room with a black eye  because the subject “fell” or just mysteriously showed up.

  • nj

    Re. Mr. Slocumb’s column linked to in the bio blurb, the fact that many (most) officers often face difficult and dangerous situations and often deal with them properly is totally irrelevant to the issue being discussed.

    Placing the conversation in that context seems to ask us to believe that bad behavior is rare, and that recording it somehow distorts the overall record of performance, or, worse, that the bad behavior is somehow excusable because it’s a presumably rare occurrence.

  • Maud

    We have a duty to film the cops and expose their outrageous and illegal behavior.  These incidents aren’t exceptions to the rule.  They are the direct result of making laws and then designating and arming a small group of people who will “enforce” those laws.  When you make them in charge of the law, you make them outside of the law.  Anything we can do to expose the lie that this system helps anyone or keeps anyone safe is something we have an imperative to do.

  • Rob

    Michigan Supreme Court sided with Dr. Dre over filming cops earlier this year. 
    News: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110319/ap_on_en_mu/us_dr_dre_show_lawsuit

    Opinion: http://sbmblog.typepad.com/files/20110318_s140296_84_140296_2011-03-18_or.pdf

  • Tribalguitars

    I would have liked to have heard the issue of cops hassling people taking pictures of public areas and buildings in the name of “security”.

  • Anonymous

    “taking the tax payers money to teach the taxpayers children”

    With regards to teachers and schools, the situation is more complicated than this. I would have no problem being recorded as an instructor, but I would be concerned more about the effect open recording would have on my students in a discussion, especially the more reserved students who may become even more reluctant to speak up knowing that they’re being recorded. I would be interested to see what a survey of students would show about their willingness to be recorded and how they feel that would effect their learning environment. I’m sure at least a few students would not appreciate other students recording them. 

  • Ellen Dibble

    How do the police defend themselves, except by he-said/she-said, when they are being charged with abuse of their powers?  
        I have wondered, here is this high-drug-trafficking area, and yes, at 7:00 PM on a spring evening, there are about 10 police in the area, and three of them trying to round up a couple of drug dealers.  And one of them is attacked by a little old man who rounds the corner with a sharp knife outstretched, aiming for the police officer’s shoulder — an officer who is trying to wrestle down a resisting man.
        The stories told by the women looking out the window are totally different from those of the police.
        WHY wasn’t there a video camera on that corner?  Why?  Because the drug dealers keep pulling it down?

  • Lewen S.

    My brother-in-law has cameras recording his property due the to number of accidents that end up in his front yard from drag racers. 4 plain clothes detectives came to search the property and the first thing they did was direct all the cameras toward the wall before they even rang the bell to serve the warrent. He wasn’t home but he now has video of them interferring with the cameras.

    • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

      Warrant for installing cameras at his home?

  • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

    I never heard any Police officers in Boston shooting innocent people in cars or streets. I heard of them engaged in prostitution and drug dealings or corruption. I still want that murder solve that happened in Boston Common when a young irish gal was murdered and the suspects were off duty Police officer(s).

  • Mcarangelo

    Even someone that isn’t a lawyer or judge can see that this is unconstitutional. Nobody (including the police) can have a reasonable expectation of privacy on a public street. 

    • Ed Siefker

       Unfortunately, we don’t have people with common sense in the courts.  We have people who are professionally trained to distort language to make it mean what they want it to mean.

  • Middtenn

    Who watches the watchers?

    • jdancer7

      THEY do you dolt – the police are usually recording everything too.

  • mandy

    As I listened to this show, I heard several people comment that it should be no problem to record police officers. Their behavior should always be something that they would not be ashamed for their mother to see. That all sounds good in theory to me, but I have, regretfully, not always had behavior that my mother would be proud of. I have, on at least one occasion, been rude to an unhelpful salesperson when they used an ugly tone of voice to me. I should not have responded back in a like manner, but she made me angry. I was ashamed about it later – and would not have wanted that moment recorded.

    I have also, on occasion, lost my temper with my children whom I love and adore. I spoke to them harshly or even spanked them when a calmer response would probably have been much more effective. I also would not like those moments recorded. responded to a situation in a way that I was ashamed of later.

    My point is, that every one of us sometimes respond in a way to stressful situations which we would be ashamed for others to see. Now imagine yourself in a policeman’s situation – where every call could potentially be a life threatening situation for him or her. Say he or she responds to a domestic abuse case. The police officer finds a large, threatening male beating a female with a baseball bat. The policeman has to wrestle the bat away from the male and drag him off the female. Just knowing how I respond when I get angry at an incompetent sales clerk or when I get cut off in traffic or even when one of my sweet, adorable children breaks a precious heirloom after throwing a ball in the house, which he has been insructed numerous times NOT to do, I can only imagine the adrenaline surge that takes place when physically fighting a dangerous person. Yet he does it, all while maintaining a calm demeanor. Once he has dragged the male off to the side to attempt to calm him, the male begins hurling verbal abuse upon the police officer and the female he has been beating. The police officer tells him, in a calm voice, and repeatedly to hush, but he doesn’t. The police officer also tells him not to move or he will be taken down – a logical threat considering the situation.

    Just then, out of the corner of his eye, the policeman sees a person step from the street onto the lawn and reach into his pocket. The policeman does not know this is a neighbor who has heard all the commotion. For a moment the policeman thinks the man could be a friend of the offender and he’s reaching for a weapon. He whirls around and draws his gun – at about this time, the offender realizes the police officer is distracted and lunges toward the female. The policeman now realizes the “weapon” is a cell phone, so he whirls around, tackles the guy just as he reaches the woman. The policeman punches the guy. Meanwhile the neighbor hits his record button and catches the policeman as he is sprawled across the offender and captures the punch.

    I don’t know about you, but I would be tempted to take the neighbors phone as well.

    I understand the side about everything being transparent, but often these recordings don’t show all sides. And though I know there are exceptions, most of the times the person on the wrong side of the police has done something for them to be called there – and when you get involved on the wrong side of the police you are risking danger to yourself. I’m concerned that police are going to eventually feel it’s not worth risking their lives every day if every bit of their behavior is so closely scrutinized – and I want the police there to protect me.

    • Ed Siefker

      If video evidence is prejudicial then it’s prejudicial when the police use it too.  Do you think we should ban all video evidence, or should we accept a double standard for the police?

      The only fair option is to let the officer make his defense in front of a jury, just like everyone else. 

    • nj

      These are specious arguments. 

      There is no comparison between a private citizen’s bad behavior, and the behavior of public servants whose salaries we pay, and who are entrusted to “protect and serve.” These are (or should be) professionals trained to deal with situations that are threatening, dangerous, or stressful. 

      Your hypothetical scenario is highly unlikely. Most tapings occur in clearly public locations.

      The fact that video information may be selective, defective, misinterpreted should not be an argument against making the recording in the first place. As with any information or evidence, it can be scrutinized and evaluated in the context of other evidence. More evidence, good. Less evidence, bad.

       

    • http://twitter.com/FilipinoBoston FilipinoBoston

      How come US Soldiers rarely violates the rule of engagement? When they are more stress in total war conflict compared to Police officers that cruises around with their cruisers and rarely see bloodshed. I have friends in US Marines and they never showed any anger after every encounters in Afghanistan.

    • Mc544898

      geez go to work or something! You realize you just wrote a novel about police being videotaped? I cant imagine if this was about a big issue like abortion or something we’d have a 3 vol. folio! and trust me most police dont need ya defending them they have enough ego to get through this (which is obviious by their extreme actions here!)!

    • Rmarius2000

      Mandy,

      I understand your argument, but I still think that it should be the right of a citizen to record officers in a way that DOES NOT interfere with the performance of their duty. You make some very good points, but a policeman that has a bad day is very different from your example of impolite behavior with a salesperson. In the worst case scenario, you may be able to get the salesperson fired. However, I should point out that there may actually be cameras in the store that managers can review to see if the salesperson was at fault. 

      If a policeman has a bad day or acts badly (which some do), it may cost you your freedom, future employment (if you have a record),  and some financial penalty. There are many who think that somehow policemen are are all good people. There are others who think that they are all bad. The reality is that the truth lies in the middle. Policemen, like teachers, priests, and other professionals (and non professionals) are drawn from the general population. As a result, there are going to be good and bad people. Since they ARE drawn from the general population, some will be good people, some will be prejudiced, some will be liars, cheaters etc. It’s not a reflection on policemen, but rather, a reflection on the human condition. There have been many instances where policemen have been found abusing their power. During the Civil Rights era, before (and after), policemen have participated in actual crimes. These are realities. Many people are video taped while they are performing their jobs. I’m not saying it’s easy. I’m just saying that it is especially warranted in precincts with a history of corruption and in populations that have suffered from oppression and harassment from the police.

      I will end this by saying that I know people that are police officers or friends of police officers. Some of the stories they’ve told me are horrible miscarriages of the law, but nothing will likely happen to some of those officers.

    • Rmarius2000

      Mandy,

      I understand your argument, but I still think that it should be the right of a citizen to record officers in a way that DOES NOT interfere with the performance of their duty. You make some very good points, but a policeman that has a bad day is very different from your example of impolite behavior with a salesperson. In the worst case scenario, you may be able to get the salesperson fired. However, I should point out that there may actually be cameras in the store that managers can review to see if the salesperson was at fault. 

      If a policeman has a bad day or acts badly (which some do), it may cost you your freedom, future employment (if you have a record),  and some financial penalty. There are many who think that somehow policemen are are all good people. There are others who think that they are all bad. The reality is that the truth lies in the middle. Policemen, like teachers, priests, and other professionals (and non professionals) are drawn from the general population. As a result, there are going to be good and bad people. Since they ARE drawn from the general population, some will be good people, some will be prejudiced, some will be liars, cheaters etc. It’s not a reflection on policemen, but rather, a reflection on the human condition. There have been many instances where policemen have been found abusing their power. During the Civil Rights era, before (and after), policemen have participated in actual crimes. These are realities. Many people are video taped while they are performing their jobs. I’m not saying it’s easy. I’m just saying that it is especially warranted in precincts with a history of corruption and in populations that have suffered from oppression and harassment from the police.

      I will end this by saying that I know people that are police officers or friends of police officers. Some of the stories they’ve told me are horrible miscarriages of the law, but nothing will likely happen to some of those officers.

    • Rmarius2000

      Mandy,

      I understand your argument, but I still think that it should be the right of a citizen to record officers in a way that DOES NOT interfere with the performance of their duty. You make some very good points, but a policeman that has a bad day is very different from your example of impolite behavior with a salesperson. In the worst case scenario, you may be able to get the salesperson fired. However, I should point out that there may actually be cameras in the store that managers can review to see if the salesperson was at fault. 

      If a policeman has a bad day or acts badly (which some do), it may cost you your freedom, future employment (if you have a record),  and some financial penalty. There are many who think that somehow policemen are are all good people. There are others who think that they are all bad. The reality is that the truth lies in the middle. Policemen, like teachers, priests, and other professionals (and non professionals) are drawn from the general population. As a result, there are going to be good and bad people. Since they ARE drawn from the general population, some will be good people, some will be prejudiced, some will be liars, cheaters etc. It’s not a reflection on policemen, but rather, a reflection on the human condition. There have been many instances where policemen have been found abusing their power. During the Civil Rights era, before (and after), policemen have participated in actual crimes. These are realities. Many people are video taped while they are performing their jobs. I’m not saying it’s easy. I’m just saying that it is especially warranted in precincts with a history of corruption and in populations that have suffered from oppression and harassment from the police.

      I will end this by saying that I know people that are police officers or friends of police officers. Some of the stories they’ve told me are horrible miscarriages of the law, but nothing will likely happen to some of those officers.

    • L Bickett

      I’m glad you are not my Mother. You hit your children when you don’t want do. Is that why this society is so violent?

    • Rocknrobn31

      I am writing on this site because this is a known fact, My son’s and a witness were arrested because a young Rambo Cop thought he was the power of Power! Total strangers, older men, fathers, uncles,engineer specialidt etc, videoed, and came forward because they were sickened by what they saw. this cop is know in Newport for being a certified egotistic jealous maniac! this is not his first time beating citizens because he said he can! This is about dirty officers who are not mentaly stable to have a gun and drive like a maniac! I had an Uncle and my husbands Uncle was a state trooper and they both hated dirty cops! Because it affected the whole department! We have a good friend who is a detective and a couple of police officers as friends. We love them, they are good people, and they hate it to, but they can not do much about it, first of all they are in different towns, second  (I asked and it is true,) cops will not go against eachother, especialy on the same force. No one is perfect, but they promised to serve and protect and NOT come to work with in bad mood because his or her girlfriend is screwing around, or he is hung over or his partner told him off for kicking in his daughters door with out a warrant and took a little weed! That’s Right!  But all cops are not dirty, the good cops are stuck with the dirty,blame that BLUE CODE! I believe that silence code is in all departments of authority! We call it “Whistle Blower”. No police officer should ever come to work in a bad mood, it is no excuse for Abusing mental or phsycaly any US Citizens! We are talking about BAD COPS AND OUR CIVIL RIGHTS!! 

  • Pauline George

    Police are not “pushing back,” they are fighting back.  No videos, no cameras, to tape recordings, no note taking, no watching “move on.”
    Who is in charge of the police?  On whose side are the police?

  • http://profiles.google.com/zptwords Zachary Terry

    Watch the watchmen. Cloaking police activity in secrecy laws is antithetical to the principles of American democracy. Anyone defending laws against filming police is an enemy of the Constitution and the principles it’s supposed to represent.

  • Guest

    This is outrageous!  Police officers are public servants.  Their actions are most often in public and officers therefore have no reasonable expectation of privacy.  If officers have some problem with their actions being recorded, they need to either take up a different profession or get additonal sensitivity training.

    In my city, there is a public access show, with approval of the Police Dept., that follows cops around and records and shows their actions.  This is the way to go.  Keep showing what the police do on a regular basis.  More public scrutiny is better.

  • Soren

    We should hold the police to a higher standard – if they cannot take the high road, how can we expect the rest of society to comply with the law.  I see police speeding without light and sirens all the time.  People on the street should not only have the ability to video tape violations, but also police departments should have a impartial third party avenue for reporting of police officer infractions.  

  • Mc544898

    WOW We are getting closer and closer to an out and out police state!

    • Mc544898

      by the way the police have been videotaping arrests for years and years so im confused…

      • guest

        they can but we cant…how american!

  • Mc544898

    WOW We are getting closer and closer to an out and out police state!

  • Mc544898

    WOW We are getting closer and closer to an out and out police state!

  • Anonymous

    we have wound up the paramilitary groups like police, homeland and the tsa so much that now everyone is a potential target.  we are the victims here.  videotaping them should be mandatory.

  • http://twitter.com/FelixMarques Félix Marqués

    I’m just going to say it as succintly as I can: If they din’t have anything to worry about in the way they behave, they wouldn’t mind being taped.

  • mary

    It’s the fascist age of Obama.

    • Ed Siefker

       What does Obama have to do with a Tennessee state law? Obama is the executive in charge of the federal government.  The Tennessee state government is run by Republicans. 

      Obama doesn’t have clean hands either.  He has allowed warrantless wiretapping.  He has failed to prosecute torturers.   He has allowed rampant abuse of National Security Letters. 

      Clearly, both sides are at fault here.  Authoritarianism is the only bipartisan issue in America today.

      • Victim

        its not just cops. its a network of firemen, very sadly and abhorribly health proffesionals and everyday citizens that are part of a stasi that eaither enjoy torturing people for fun or are led to believe the person they are victimizing is dangerous. we have lost our constitution.

    • Ed Siefker

       What does Obama have to do with a Tennessee state law? Obama is the executive in charge of the federal government.  The Tennessee state government is run by Republicans. 

      Obama doesn’t have clean hands either.  He has allowed warrantless wiretapping.  He has failed to prosecute torturers.   He has allowed rampant abuse of National Security Letters. 

      Clearly, both sides are at fault here.  Authoritarianism is the only bipartisan issue in America today.

    • Jonaw

      I am sure I am fishing for a red herring here, but I must ask Mary:
      What age are you talking about? The last three years? What, precisely, is fascist about anything Mr. Obama has proposed or succeeded in putting forth as enacted policy?
      As my shot at the red herring in the barrel, Mary, I’m going to call you a complete and typically, these days, vocal, idiot.

    • Jonaw

      I am sure I am fishing for a red herring here, but I must ask Mary:
      What age are you talking about? The last three years? What, precisely, is fascist about anything Mr. Obama has proposed or succeeded in putting forth as enacted policy?
      As my shot at the red herring in the barrel, Mary, I’m going to call you a complete and typically, these days, vocal, idiot.

    • Tackdriver56

      mary, this isn’t about Obama any more than the Waco, TX, Branch Davidian standoff was about Clinton. This is about rogue officers and rogue agencies, and in some cases STATE legislatures, stepping on the Bill of Rights. SOME of these people, carrying guns in the name of government, need to be held accountable for overstepping their authority. Others of them need to get off their lazy butts and do their job: protecting taxpayers from violent criminals and aggressive drivers. When somebody in a car throws a glass bottle to break it in front of my bicycle tires, or throws something from a car at me, or uses their car to run my buddy’s bicycle off the road, I expect the police to arrest the person who tried to injure someone, not threaten to arrest the victim who recorded of the perpetrator.

      • Anonymous

        Uhhh, Tackdriver, refresh your memory: 
        In 1993, Reno was nominated and confirmed as the first female Attorney General under Bill Clinton,
         
         it was Janet Reno who “TOOK FULL RESPONSIBILITY” for the murder of the women and children and men at the beseiged compound that was deliberately set afire and helped to incinerate the innocent people trapped inside their residence – including excluding fire trucks from responding….
           Murdered? Yep:
        The 51 day Waco siege standoff and resulting 76 deaths—the Branch Davidians—in Waco, Texas.

        Reno in congressional testimony stated that she authorized the FBI
        assault on the Branch Davidians because of reports that Militia groups
        were enroute to Waco during the standoff “either to help [Branch
        Davidian leader David] Koresh or to attack him.”[10]   If you can’t smell that BullStink I’m sorry for your lack of a nose – -  or brain, if you think there was ANY possibility that any “Militia Groups” could have approached within MILES of the well armed Feds without detection…

      • http://www.facebook.com/ryan.c.kirkpatrick Ryan Kirkpatrick

        You for got about Ruby Ridge…..

      • Rocknrobn31

        the judges need to change to, they always believe the dirty cops because the took an oath! read this,”caught.net” It is a web-site naming all dirty judges, lawyers, etc. It is realy scary, in RI a lots of police have been arrested for drugs, sex assaults, DUI, etc. and the judge will still take their word? tackdriver56 you said it all!

    • http://sucktackular.com sucktackular

      No. It’s the age of you, being stupid on the internet. Welcome!

    • unionista

      The “fascist age” started WAY before Obama!

    • Michael

      Mary – These are state laws, not federal laws.  Didn’t you catch that part?  Obama has nothing to do with this.

  • Jonaw

    Wal Mart and other large retailers also don’t like regular citizens recording anything around them.
    As far as recording the actions of the police or military, I would say be as discreet as you can be, you’ll probably get it.
    As Jenny Holzer once wrote (though she said she didn’t believe it)
    Abuse of power comes as no surprise.

    • Scott B, Jamestown NY

      Walmart’s a private business, and at least within their store, don’t have to allow any kind of photography.  Cops are in public, and serve the public.

  • http://profiles.google.com/hutch1377 Mark Hutchinson

    “cuz if i had a camera, the sh*t wouldn’t matter”…Ice Cube. 1993. In the wake off the King Verdict. and today i think it rings true. they will always have the freedom to do what they want. with out reprecussions or any justice

  • http://profiles.google.com/hutch1377 Mark Hutchinson

    “cuz if i had a camera, the sh*t wouldn’t matter”…Ice Cube. 1993. In the wake off the King Verdict. and today i think it rings true. they will always have the freedom to do what they want. with out reprecussions or any justice

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  • http://www.facebook.com/garethadr Gareth Mannion

    If it is in the public eye,it should be able to be recorded, police should wait to get behind closed doors before abusing suspects, we pay their wages

  • Jerry

    The police and the FBI are the only segments of our society authorized to use force. One could logically extrapolate from this that they therefore must be held to a higher standard and be subject to constant oversight by other branches of government and the general public. Video can help tell the story but it should not be the only narrative. I believe that when you put on a uniform, a badge, a baton and Gun and you go to work to protect and serve, you loose your right to privacy. While you are working on our behalf, you don’t get the luxury of being anonymous.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=505419549 Scott Simpson

    This will all be moot within 5 to 10 years. A lot of us will just be recording everything all the time with a camera that is built into something we wear and it will be hard to tell who’s recording. It will be like TiVo for you life. Forgot what you came downstairs for? Just rewind. The end point is most of entertainment will be watching the person with the most interesting life.

  • Concerned Citizen

    These people are attracted to Police positions because of the perceived power gained and there are ample opportunities for abuse. Power doesn’t just corrupt: those predisposed to corruption are attracted to these positions. They are out of control and should be scrutinized by the public that they are paid to protect. “To serve and protect,” ha! Who watches the watchers?

    They are just one tentacle of the larger beast however. I spent 5 years at university gaining a BA in criminal justice and simply don’t want to have anything to do with this legal system of ours: it is inherently class biased, ineffective and results in a focus on revenue generation moreso than protection or crime deterence. We have a prison industrial complex that profits from incarceration and a bureaucratic court system that feeds on the criminalization of even non-violent behavior. It’s big business and it’s underwritten by the US tax payer. Americans need to wake up.   

    • Rocknrobn31

      like the judge we all call, ” kids for cash” Who can we trust and lawyers want so much money and in this state of R.I they do favors for eachother, it makes me sick! you are so right, love this site..

  • Lefty2303

    Welcome to the modern proto-fascist state.  Who runs the State?  the police or our elected reps?

  • Kylee

    So the police in sparta are using a new webcam attached to them to videotape encounters “they want” to video tape.  Police way to often use their “title” to bully people.  An example is on youtube.  Look under angelini and sparta police.  Notice the cop tells dispatch he is going to in for a walk through, really he is there is confront the owner about an altercation that supposely happened with a diff. officer and the owner, notice  when tony (owner) wants to end the conversation the officer then wants to do a liquer check (which had just been done a few weeks before), I know both parties involved, there is a long history here and the courts are now involved.  Tony taking the police to court, my point being that if Tony had taken this video and not the police the police would be the one taking tony to court. 

  • To Protect and Serve

    The true irony here is that nationwide we have seen an drastic increase in spending by state and local governments for camera equipment to be installed in patrol cars to tape traffic stops in the name of “officer safety”.  The recordings, as such, are then admissible in court, and never involve notification of the taped party nor does it include getting their prior approval before filming.  
    So if cameras are necessary to protect officer safety, aren’t they also necessary to protect public safety from abuses of power? If the recordings by the police without prior consent are within the law, shouldn’t recordings by the public be so as well?
    You can’t have it both ways.  In the end, we’re talking about truth, and laws such as this that are standing in the way of exposing the truth are anathema to the very ideals that we expect our law enforcement officers to stand for.

    • Rocknrobn31

       it also has cost dearly to this state for law suits! they settle the case behind closed doors and in one case the man was not allowed to show the video of himself getting beat by local police-woman! And the policewoman, was in the local paper, she was awarded for a reading program at the local middle school! Only in RI. ! They actualy had a huge banner with her name etc. I almost wanted to yell to all the little kiddies, “Your the Officer I saw in the video beating “Joe”, remember the neighbor video you? yea, Joe just got out of the hospital after having shoulder surgery, and you beat him with your stick and whipped him into a car!” Remember you had the wrong guy? I did not have heart to scare the crap out of those little children, everyone knows, but know one can say anything or they will beat your butt, or set you up OR harass you so bad! Maybe I should send this cop a copy of The Bill of Rights! And a copy of the oath she swore to!

  • Kylee
    • Kylee

      Sparta Wisconsin

  • CHS

    How is this different from some of the police and military personnel in the Middle East encounters? If the video of the poor boy who was killed and tortured in Syria by government forces had not surfaced, would the world have known about it? How come we encourage the people there who film injustices “for democracy” and who use technology in pursuit of “democracy”, but that same democracy isn’t good enough for us?

  • Jeff

    Since one of Officers primary responsibility is collecting evidence, shouldn’t they be required to record all of their actions on a daily basis?

  • Officer Safety

    I am not surprised by the reaction of the Officers in Miami. The individual taping
    the even was entirely to close to the event. He was a person with no credentials
    in an active danger zone. The officers had no idea if he was a concerned citizen
    or a potential second threat related to the primary threat. This is true of
    many situations such as this; if you insert yourself into the situation expect
    to become part of it and treated as a threat until proven otherwise.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ryan.c.kirkpatrick Ryan Kirkpatrick

      The person was no closer,in fact, farther away than others, and when asked to leave the area AFTER the shooting, he attempted to comply, UNTIL he was apprehended by a couple goons with guns. He was accosted not because he was a threat, but because he was recognized as having being filmed, the same way a TV news camera man was in the same incident, the camera was forcible taken from him and placed in a cruiser trunk AFTER he was informed he would “never get it back”

    • Concerned Citizen

      Innocent until proven guilty, probable cause, reasonable suspicion… basic concepts of our law enforcement ethos in the US. These are intended to protect the citizenry from abuses of power just as the ones that you witness in these videos. Our founding fathers and the forward thinking supreme court justices of the past have seen all of this coming.

      • Deana_perkins

        In this country it is actually, GUILTY until proven innocent or “you should plead, “no contest” because of the “great” deal made for you or you”ll just end up getting a worse punishment.”

    • Deana_perkins

      How close to the event is too close?

  • Janaree Nore

    How can we find out if it is against the law to video tape in our state? 

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  • Father Joseph

    I’m one of the first to acknowledge the difficult job police have in enforcing the law, especially in urban areas, but increasingly we seem to be living in a “police state” where police officers feel they can do anything thy wish so long as they are not caught.  As a black priest (I was not in collar at the time so it wasn’t obviuos I was a priest but it should not have made a difference) I was treated with tremendous disrespect by the Jersey City police who had been called to cover a vehicular accident where my car had been rear-ended by another driver.  My account of the event was ridiculed and I was accused of drinking – when I had not had any alcohol since celebrating Mass three or four days before and passed their sobriety test without any question!-mind you, I was the one that had been rear-ended.  I have seen minorities treated with similar and worst disrespect in several urban communities I have served.  Recording police activity must be recognized as a right under free speech provisions of the constitution.  In some cases it is the only thing that will make police officers maintain the discipline they were trained with or provide an alterative narrative to corroborate the injustices so many minorities and others experience at the hands of the police when they think or count on no one else looking.  So long as people don’t obstruct the police in performing their duties there should never be any question but that citizens have the inherent right to record activity where it occurs in public view.

  • PhotoGuy001

    I someone in a public place doesn’t want anyone to see what they’re doing, then perhaps they should not be doing it.  This should apply to police as well as any other citizen.  In most places, in public areas, you have no expectation of privacy and can be photographed at any time.  For that matter, what of the proliferation of security cameras?  Can the police arrest whoever installed or adjusted a security camera system if it happens to catch video of a police officer?

    What I cannot believe is that some elected officials must have passed legislation to make videotaping the police illegal in some locations.  Where are the citizens when that kind of legislation is being proposed and passed?  And how can any legislator expect to be reelected after voting in favor of making videotaping of police illegal?

    Anyone who voted in favor of such a bill should be voted out as soon as possible.  Where are we living?  China?  Former Soviet Union?  Scary stuff IMO.

  • david

    Bad cops should be exposed and gotten rid of. What will happen if everytime a cop is on duty, during a situation, they are being filmed?
    One: If they are doing bad they will be caught.
    Two: If they are good cops following the rules, they will always have in the back of their minds that someone is trying to catch them doing something wrong. Will this hinder their reaction and place people in danger??
    What would be our reaction if our boss told us that we would be filmed during working hours?? Would we think that he is out to get us???
    In my area, people are outraged that there are cameras at intersections out to catch them running red lights.
    Once again, bad cops need to be gotten rid of.
    I work with several different law enforcement agencies. These people have a dangerous and stressful job and it is not getting any better.
    Let us not heap all police into the same barrel because of a few bad apples.

    • Deana_perkins

      Well what do you suggest we do about it?

  • keith

    The technology already exists to have video footage uploaded to the internet in real time – so it will not matter if the phone or camera is crushed – the data has gone to the cloud, including the last few seconds showing the device being destroyed…

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VDH4GYJMIUFU373W3XUQVD2V4E Patrick

    If these cretin cops don’t want to be recorded then I don’t want to be recorded when pulled over.  Can’t have it both ways.

  • Sahuoy

    Having had both positive and negative encounters with a variety of people including police is enough to insure freedom of the people and protect the integrity, competence and quality of police, government, etc. is indeed serving the well being of our culture and democracy. Naturally, the eye in the sky does not want cameras catching their behavior to with stand misinterpretation and lawsuit but wisely should also be discerned and viewed in context of a whole event as well as those areas capturing bad employees and personnel that should and must not be trusted. Allowing police the benefit of a doubt is a gift of the people and not a right dividing people from discovering truth, freedom and pursuing democracy making America the best for everyone.

  • Ledgerguy

    Citizens concerned about the direction law enforcement is headed in this country should engage those officials in a conversation about the oath they take to uphold the Constitution. This conversation need not be advisarial or confrontive. This is being done in Iowa with positive reactions from State and local police, sheriff and prosecutors. Every law enforcement officer takes this oath and we as citizens should remind them of this their first duty. Video taping could serve as support for that reminding.

  • Marka

    We’re becomming a policed state in the USA! I think we should absolutely be allowed to film police! They often lie too!!

  • L Bickett

    If the filming is getting in the way of their work, they may have a point. If it is not, I don’t think they have a leg to stand on. Cities can pass all the laws they want to, I don’t think it would eventually stand up in court. If you are in public, you have the right to photograph. Period.

    • Deana_perkins

      You don’t if a cop says you have to leave. Even if you are standing on the sidewalk out of the real area of the investigation. All he has to say is you were interferring with his duties. I have been called by family members who we both knew were going to be arrested to come and get their vehicles before it got towed away. Several times I showed up and informed the officer as to why I was there and was asked to stand back out of the way. No problem. I wait and then the vehicle has been released to me. However recently, same situation, I show up start walking up on the sidewalk and a “maniac” officer comes almost running up to me yelling “leave!”. I started telling him who I was and why I came and he kept yelling “leave!” then said he would arrest me. I said, ” Is it illeagal to stand on the sidewalk sir?” and he yelled “Leave. Or I’ll arrest you for interferring with my investigation.” I said, “Your investigation is over there about 500 feet away” and the next thing I knew he grabbed my hand and threw me onto the street. I tried to catch myself on the way down and he said “now your resisting arrest!” I am a 42 year old school teacher with a masters degree that has never been to jail until then! We have no rights in America. I will most likely loose my job. I did not even start college until I was 33, I have student loans and bought my first new car after my first year of working. I was arrested at 9:30 p.m. and my rights were read at 1:30 p.m. the next day. Apparently in Texas a person can be arrested and sit in jail up to 48 hours before their rights are even read to them.Is there anyone that can help me? Not here…Everyone just says I should obey every directive from an officer no matter what it is…

      • Deana_perkins

        The other thing was that there were 4 cop cars at the scene, which was in someone’s driveway.

  • xray

    The Police should not hide behind the wiretap rules. Anything out in the public view is subject to being recorded and used as necessary to confirm or support witness accounts.

    • Rocknrobn31

      xray, you are so right, but if you said that to an officer, you would be getting xray’s at a near by hospital! I am on your side, but in reality in this town, a few bad apples in uniform love to get all of us in a darkened alley! The officer in charge of Interal Affairs has been known for years for being a bad cop, but union hides all their complaints from the public and it can never be used against them! I wish there is someone in the FBI that can be trusted to go up against their own, or even a good cop, but in reality they can’t! They will be threatened, degrated, lose rank, fired , or forced to resign! They think they have a special bond like Marines! Our military protects us, and they are nothing like Marines!! Most Police are , but a few bad ones on each department ruins a whole department! And the good one’s turn their heads, I feel for the officers that lost their lives to protect us, and you always hear that he was a Great Cop! I feel for their families, and i say, why does it have to be a good cop? I hate violence, but these few bad apples love it and we are practice work out for dirty cops, ” I am a hero, I save a yadda yadda yadda, I want to be on the front page of the news paper, I want all young babes hanging on my shoulder, I want all my neighbors kissing my ass, I am Rambo, I am untouchably, my co-workers have to lie for me, I am all that plus some! My girl  can get as high as she wants and no one can touch her! I can beat anyone I want and no one can touch me, I can touch who ever I want and no one can do a damn thing about it!!!! ETC !!!!!  And if you video me doing wrong, I will turn it on you, beat your ass and put you in jail! I am a cop, and I run this town! OMG we are all in serious trouble people 

  • Mako

    I took a still photo in a parking lot at 9pm (dark) 100 Ft from a mini-mall store in Coventry RI and the woman inside called the police (??). The crazy bastard approached me in a video store with his hand on his gun and was shoving me and threatening me in seconds.

    His partner rummaged through my car for a half hour while the brush cut maniac, after trying to provoke me to resist so he could beat me, took my camera and flipped through every picture, saying pictures of people are illegal, deleting a couple; saying,”You have pictures of kids on here, you like kids”. These guys were simple absolute vermin, and absolutely out of control, but this police force had simply executed 3 unarmed people in the last year and a half. Unfortunately we were out of range of the store video, or woulda gotten $50-100K for harassment. Forgot the fact that I’m a  journalist, no citizen should have to put up with this, but since 9-11, these goons feel empowered to treat everyone like a terrorist.

     Shoulda gone to the FBI.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ryan.c.kirkpatrick Ryan Kirkpatrick

       Had that happen out side a small mall that had a McDonalds in it with a play park, it was close to midnight, and i never even pointed the camera at the store, the manager of the McDonalds called the police.  The officer warned me that I could not go to the restaurant as I would be trespassing if I did.  I went and got a coffee, came back out, waved at the cop and left.

      Granted, when he demanded to see the pictures I laughed at him, he asked to see my camera, I asked for the warrant, he asked what I was doing, I told him having a cup of coffee, he asked why I was sitting in my truck to have it, i took a drag on my smoke, and told him “so I can smoke”. 

      • Wandering_Bard

         Well done, Ryan. Well done indeed.

        Always obey a “lawful order” from police, but never -under any circumstances- CONSENT to a search of any kind.

        Never admit to anything, even if you think it’s harmless.

        If a police officer asks you to step out of the car, close the windows and close and lock the door.

    • Jay

      What did you expect…you were in Coventry R.I. Where they have nothing to do so they start, I mean look for trouble. As well as the other small 6 police strong neighboring departmets like West Warwick and East Greenwich, lets not forget North Kingstown either.   But it’s not just since 9-11 I was a victim of their harrasment back in the 80′s. Like being pulled over just cause it was “late” at night. Thats a crime right? I was pulled over in North Kingstown one time after I came to a comeplete stop at a stop sign and the cop said “you failed to yeild the right of way”. Bear in mind he wasn’t even within 150 yards of me at the time I proceeded through the intersection. My response was “your right I didn’t yeild, I came to a complete stop”.  Oh and when I was pulled over in Coventry cause it was late at night, the entire police department showed up, all 6 of them and then they all followed me til I crossed the West Warwick boarder. I have a cousin who is a state trooper (K-9) there and he was telling me a story about one of those small town goons, he had got a call from them to respond to a burglary. When he got there they had already had the 3 guys out of the building and on the ground but not cuffed yet. my cousin got out of his car and said “oh you already got em, too bad I got this new dog I haven’t been able to try him out in a real situation yet I”d like to see how he does”. One of those goons said ” we can fix that” and actually ordered the guys that were on the ground to go back into the building. They of course refused and my cousin said “no we can’t do that”. That was back in the late 90′s. That North Kingstown cop tried to provoke me as well, shoving the butt end of his flashlight up in my face. I feel your pain Mako. My girlfriend at the time who is now my wife was with me had an uncle on the state police with lots of stripes on his shirt. She told him about that North Kingstown cop. They didn’t bother me anymore after that. One did pull me over shortly after that, when I handed him my license he looked at it and said “oh it’s you” handed me back my license and left. I never knew why he pulled me over.       

  • Kevo

    This phenomenon is nothing short of disgusting. Clearly unconstitutional, most likely unlawful, and hostile to our civil rights, criminalizing a basic tenet of this nation’s raison d’etre is an indication of the “soft” fascism that is acceptable, and coddled by the power’s that be. What’s more frightening is that several states have legislated , i.e. Illinois, prohibiting a citizens’ ability to prove their innocence, and making the very act a felony. If it weren’t such a flagrant derision of civil liberties, it would almost be hyperbolically funny.

    We should all be familiar with the notion of the United States acting then constructing a legal and/or ideological foundation to support it’s behavior. But, many nations around the globe, had they such an pervasiveness of abuses by the people enforcing the laws, the power to arrest, the inclination to restrain, would be dancing ’round the grey area of crimes against humanities. Has not happened here…yet, but the deck is stacked so that if the citizens try to assert themselves…watch out!!! 

    Where is the outrage? Where is the indignation? Why are the courts differential to such lapses? Why aren’t the prosecutors charging ahead with cleaning up such undermining abuses? Why are the news reporters so calm about it? Where aren’t the citizens outraged at the treatment of their fellow citizens? WE alone are responsible for the direction of this nation.

    Protecting yourself, or some else for that matter, from the abuses of power is a defense of liberty and resistance to tyranny. I understand that’s a bit much for this program, a bit too ostentatious. But anyone who believes that civilization and nations have progressed significantly in that last few hundred years should reacquiant themselves with the lofty, flowery, embarassing rhetoric that lead to the founding of this nation, and many in the free world.

  • Lostmykiwi

    I think video of incidents is an important tool, for both citizens and authorities, however, it is imperative to remember that all video is from one perspective and can work for or against both sides.  I volunteered with a very large law enforcement agency for several years.  There wasn’t one officer that I knew that objected to being video taped.  It keeps them honest, it also can protect them in times of question.

    There was an incident that I distinctly remember, it was a Youtube posted video of altercations between officers and protesters, shot from the protester’s side.  To the observer, it looks like a shoving match starts between an officer and a protester, where the officer eventually utilizes his stick.  It looks like the officer beats the crap out of this person.  What people don’t see is the view from the other side.  This officer was standing his position on the line, when the protester, using the stick from the sign they were holding starts to hit and poke at the officer. 

    The officer grabs the sign to try to stop this person from hitting and to take away the sign, this is not successful, so the officer takes the expandable club from the belt and hits the sign with it to bang it out of the protesters hand.  Not once is the protester touched by the officer’s club, but from the protester’s video, it sure looked like it.  Had the officers not had their own video camera rolling from the back side which showed the other view, this officer could possibly have had a use of force violation investigation based upon that one view.

    I do want to say though, as a private citizen, if I was having a discussion with police or I was in need of police or medical help, I would seriously have an issue with being filmed by another citizen under the guise of “trying to protect my rights” or to show what police are doing at that moment.  I don’t need my situation shown on Youtube or shown to your friends because you think it’s cool or may be “police brutality”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ryan.c.kirkpatrick Ryan Kirkpatrick

      Spoken like a good police officer walking the thin blue line.

    • Wandering_Bard

       The issue with not wanting your situation displayed publicly is, sad to say, not an issue.

      On public land, you have absolutely zero expectation of privacy, and therefore can be filmed, photographed, recorded, etc.

      Not filming an emergency would be more a matter of courtesy on the part of the camera-wielder, than of legality.

  • Fotopro63

    Too bad I missed this show.
    Here is the summary of one of my experiences: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eiselein/4467671990/in/set-72157623715840766

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  • Civil Rights Advocate

    Where the hell is the state’s Attorney Generals? They are the “People’s Attorney”? Why don’t they arrest first, then try later, just like the police do? Where are the Grand Jury investigations for destruction of evidence, obstruction of justice, and collusion (how are all the police suddenly using the same laws to immunize themselves)? At the federal level, where is the Solicitor Generals in each state investigating and protecting civil rights?

    This is not just a failure and abuse by police. This is a failure of and by prosecutors at both state and federal levels.

    • Rocknrobn31

      no one cares in rhode island unless you have a big name and alot of money. this whole thing makes me sick, and they get away with it. we must stand up and fight, and you can bet we will end up in jail or our families will suffer!

    • Rocknrobn31

      I would love to know where the state’s attorney generals are! And guess what ? I found most of them on Caught.net. This site is by Operation Clean Government. What very little faith I had left in the RI justice system went down the drain. AG’s, Judges, lawyers’, Commisioner of Human right’s, POLICE, Polticians, etc, are on the site, citizen’s complaints and even bias remarks from judges and some lawyers actualy complained about the dirty dealings in the back rooms at the court houses. The 3 young men involved have public defenders in this case, and 2 of the men have called and asked for a return call and a meeting and they have yet to talk to them! They have been to court 4 times already and they conintue etc. They are very nervous and I feel for them, I am aggrevated by the way they are treated also, and the 3rd man involved was just givn a public def., for next wensday 8-24, and this incident on 7-5-11, he has waited this long! Well sad to say Public Defenders are the caught.net site to! Reality is We Can Not Trust Anyone With Authority and Their BLUE CODE OF SILENCE Is Killing Our Bill Of Rights!  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U67CIU5A34EKWZ2MFG7CAPJ3FY Robin

      These cops are intimidating my family so bad, we are going to court on nov9 publice defenders and scared we are up against 3 dirty cops and one has another town invloved( middletown, his da inlaw donated the lant to their PD) and he has every cop in 2 towns trying to get my sons for testifing against them. everyone says we have to wait until the case is over to file a complaint or we better move now!! I can not beleive this is happening for telling the truth! do you have any advice? Robin

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  • Wearespace

    I wonder if the Air National Guard staff sergeant felt he truly served his country after this?…Exactly what FREEDOM was he fighting for?  The FREEDOM to be treated like dirt and get slapped in the face by the REAL ENEMY of FREEDOM?Truth is, nobody defends this country’s FREEDOM anymore because the ENEMY WITHIN doesn’t want us having FREEDOM!

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  • Sy2502

    I’m going to use the same argument law enforcement gives us about keeping an eye on us: if you aren’t doing anything wrong, you don’t have anything to worry about. 

  • Rggneion

    natzi police

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  • DM77

    I agree with “sy2502.” I plan on installing a surveilance system in my car to stream back to my home pc via mobil data and a laptop in addition to a nice sticker on my window highlighting my cctv system. I will also advise any officer I encounter of my surveilance to avoid wire tapping laws and “if you aren’t doing anything wrong you don’t have anything to worry about.” i probably wont tell them that the backup dvr is @ home, just let them erase what they find in the car

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Parris-Ja-Young/528175727 Parris Ja Young

      …and maybe a second, hidden, record as well … in case they seize your computer, laptop, and external HD.
       

      • DM77

        that’s why I’m so psyched about those internet “air cards” I think verizon calls them “mifi” they’re on the market under a variety of names. Point being i’m hooking up to a couple of sites called “ustream & livestream” they stream live to web then all I need to do is go back & save the replay back to a fresh hard drive so they think they got away scott free. Hehehe

  • TomLacovara

    This is getting so far out of control. I hear the news reporting it like its something thats common….back to you Jim…NO WAY.   We should be mad as hell and taking to the streets. I have video everywhere I go , bot I never thought about cctv from the car to home…Good idea, but it is really really sad that our word isnt as good as theirs even when we ARENT facing charges. I can see if someone is trying to lie to get out of something….but the powers that be usually say…NO EVIDENCE, NO CRIME….well the dash cam is a two edged sword….It can be used against them , which is what i am doing”AND” I got em on video assaulting me at the station when I came in to sign charges on an officer….Ive charged that officer with assault and tampering with a witness!!!!

    • Wandering_Bard

       Good for you!

      I hope you filed a civil suit as well for unlawful imprisonment, and assault.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Parris-Ja-Young/528175727 Parris Ja Young

    What applies to citizens should also apply to law enforcement, with a few occupational exceptions.  More importantly, justice should fall equally upon everyone.  What more just protection against police brutality than the (recorded) light of truth?

  • Rocknrobn31

    newport, RI police are out of control, not all, but a handful! Their are a couple of videos of them and witnesses are coming forward , Thank God! Recently a newport officer took a bystanders phone, who taping him and said it was a gainst the defendents witness right, and then arrested the witness! A witness was also arrested for telling an officer who arrived at another incident that the police were beating a defendent for NO reason, he saw the whole incident, so they arrested him for obstruction! Store owners are afraid to come forward, or they will be targeted by police and they are affraid! They refuse to come forward. I do not blame them! The state is so broke, it is like they gave the GREEN LIGHT to make any arrest to make $$ on fines! But they are ruining young peoples lives and target them until they get them in the state pen! So many people are talking about this force being so brutal on citizens it is like living in another country, They should take a blood or urine test, and lets see who uses pot and other non-perscribed drugs, People have witnessed this use in one of their homes, but are afraid to come forward! How scary are they? Scary!! Please come here and help the citizens in this state, you would be shocked! Well maybe not, you have seen it all! We need the police but we do not need the Rambo Wanna Be’s who live to control, beat, and abuse their authority! God Bless us all!! 

    • Rocknrobn31

      this officer involved has a room mate from Mass, he is a new officer in one town over and the defendent recieved a call that this new cop is after him and the people involved to help his buddy cop from newport! They feel they can charge these young men with more false charges it will help in the police brutality charge! How insane is this? The right authorities have been notified and the investigater that is charge knows how serious this is! It was stated that this happens all the time and they are not affraid to go up against any of them! Thank god for honest people and people that believe in the people and our rights! I must say from the bottom of my heart, we do know honest police officers and detectives that do act right and do the right thing and protect us from evil, and that one was stated as saying, ” there is few bad apples in every department!” We all know this to be true, but there should not be any “BAD APPLES IN ANY POLICE DEPARTMENT” I hate the fact our taxes pay them to abuse us, I want them fired! And Judges have to believe them in court because they took an oath to serve and protect, but I can not understand when a judge knows in his or her heart that the cop is untruthful and if you do not have a witness they favor the police! Thankk God for witnesses, video’s, and honest people! 

  • CanadianObserver

    If you really want Change America your going to need to put someone in Office that is Truely there for the People and you Rights, Vote Ron Paul. You won’t see real Change any other way!

    • Rocknrobn31

      sweetcali, I did not mean any insults towards ron paul, I have been voting for 35 years and I have seen good and bad, what I mean is with all the horror that is going on in our country and situations I have witnessed with my own eye’s, politicaly and illegal law praticing that have been going on it is hard for me to decide who I trust. We have had broken promises for years, and this site, my remarks are made due to videoing police and others abusing their authority. That is what I am so angry about. This state and country is in enough trouble that we do not need unlawful police making it harder on the citizens in RI. As far as my voting, I need to decide on who I want to vote for and who will help the most, for the middle class and poor. I advocate for children with special needs and my heart is in the right place, I have seen enough wars and know enough vet’s and young men still fighting for our rights and protecting us. This is about local police harming citizens, and military men and woman that are caught on tape!  We do need change! Honestly I am not sure who I will vote, I need to hear more from SOME of the running canidates before I decide!

  • Rocknrobn31

    Will Ron Paul come to RI and weed out the corrupt? It will take decades for change in this country, and usualy in this state, they have a special handshake, and specials favors, and that means turning your head for your friends when needed! I do want change, I want good cops to step forward and remember the oath they sworn in to do! And think of their families, children, sisters, brothers, mothers, fathers etc, how would they feel if their relatives went out of state, and walked in the path of a dirty cop having a bad day or was mad he had to work nites on a holiday and he beat the crap out of them and then arrested his family memeber! And this officer meant nothing to an officer in another state! I hate violence, but it would not bother me a bit if Karama came at these cops years down the road. I would vote for Ron Paul if he publicly stated, ” I will get rid of all dirty violent Police in this country and protect the people of this country from terrorist and bad police!”

    • CanadianObserver

      “I would vote for Ron Paul if he publicly stated, ” I will get rid of all dirty violent Police in this country and protect the people of this country from terrorist and bad police!”
       So what are you saying, your happy to just vote for someone who just won’t do anything at all and even support the current state of your Country, because the only man who will do something about it didn’t say specificly ” I will clean up the bad police”.
       Right now the terrorists America has to worry about are the ones running America, so just by electing him your protecting yourself from terrorism. Ron Paul Loves what America is suppose to be and he’s a military man so you know he will protect you from outside threats, hell, just by stopping the needless war your country wages will cool off most of the outside anger directed at your Country. He will start the process of cleaning everything in your Counrty, that includes the dirty Police. What more do you want?

      • Pest Unit

        it would be impossible for any president to rid the USA of all corrupt cops…..first of all the govt just doesnt have the manpower. If they can’t get rid of 40 million illegal aliens in plain sight how are they going to get rid of savy, dirty cops that really know the ropes. And besides I am sure it would turn into a “states rights” issue and every state, city and town would be sueing the federal government

    • SweetCali

      Change has to start somewhere

      • Rocknrobn31

        change does have to start somewhere, you are right! We have been begging for change for last years, maybe if we all marched to washington and have a peaceful protest would be a start, to let the president and the runner up’s, and all authority figures to know we have had enough and who ever comes in next, will do right for the people! They work for us, we do not work for them! Our job is to respect the laws and abide by the rules, they hold a higher standard, they are not ALLOWED to break them. I am not sure who I will vote for. I would like you to view a RI web-site ” Caught.net “it realy makes you think!!? We do need change!!

  • Phillycounsel

    This very issue has recently taken center stage in Philadelphia with a recent ACLU settlement with a former colleague of mine. I have lost count of the times as a criminal lawyer in Philadelphia that clients have shared similar stories of woe. It’s about time the tables are turned for those who are victimized.  Billy J. Smith http://www.BJSmithlaw.com

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U67CIU5A34EKWZ2MFG7CAPJ3FY Robin

    Newport NP have been beating than arresting citizens for some time. The new breed of police in that department are worse. One lives in a neighboring town ( Middletown) and his future father inlaw donated the land to that department. This one cop has been repremanded 2 for lying and taken to court. Their bill of rights protects them from letting the community know, and can not find out how much $$$ the town has paid out in law suits due to corrupt police. Also this one cop has the police ( a Few / 1 is from his home town and state of mass/ his roomate til recently)) from Middletown, go after innocent people that he or is future wife do not like. Some people have evidence against him and he is not happy!! It has been stated the he said, ” These boy’s are Cops are mine and they will help me get these kids I hate. I have to win that case!” Yes it is true, I thought Middletown would have less corruption since a retired State Trooper is the cheif. This one Newport cop lets his friends get high and drive drunk because he has it that way and brags about it. He brags about ruining peoples lives because he can and how his daddy inlaw owns Middletown!! It is unfortunate that money and names still run this small community. Everyone talks and yet everyone’s afraid to speak up! But not everyone, strangers stepped forward and are telling the truth about a few bad cops! Even though some on his own force despise him they can not go against him. He even kicked in his co-workers daughters door with out a warrant and took her pot. His co-worker tore him a new butt hole. AND NO ONE KNOW”S !!! Everyone knows, all the young people are friends and came forward to the people this cop is after because they know he is dirty! There has to be justice and it is coming soon, until our day in court, we have a plan in place thank god for technology!!

  • Greg

    My camera was taken away by the police while videographing the police questioning my brother who was eventually arrested after becoming defensive against the police.Police used force on me to get the camera away from me as I thought it was against my rights for them to take my camera. I was handcuffed, but let free a short time later, but they kept my camera. I feel that my rights have been violated, and this has to stop!!!!!

    • Wandering_Bard

       Your rights were indeed violated.

      The fourth amendment protects against unlawful search & seizure. The police cannot legally confiscate your property (contraband is an exception) without a warrant or just cause.

      If you were in your own home, or on public land, and not interfering with them in any way, they had no right to take your camera.

      Call a lawyer, and try to press charges for theft. Your property was not part of an investigation and should have been returned to you. If they deleted the tape, then press charges for destruction of property, as well as destroying/tampering with evidence.

      Also file a civil suit against the officer, the precinct, and the county, and contact you local Internal Affairs office.

      Corruption and abuse of power are dependent upon the complacency of the citizens.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5E5YQ7FPBNARLWVEKIU4ARGDGY Obama Free in 2013

    The police’s own Dash Cam is going to save my backside in court next week on a bogus DUI charge.  The time stamp on the camera is over 2 hours off – after they had arrested me and had me at the DUI center. It will show them in a bad light. I don’t want to say anymore in case the manage to track this back to me. But it is going to keep me from getting a DUI that I don’t deserve.

    • Srweise

      I bet your case didn’t go to well for you did it? There is something called Amending the Citation, According to law all they have to do is Amend the Citation and then they are good to go,

  • Anonymous

    Fellow law abiding American citizens, we have to work together to get our FULL First Amendment Rights protected.

  • Robin

    When RI judges side with police no matter what witnesses say! This has happened recently, but an appeal in another city will happen! I am so a shamed of my county (newport, RI) these cops run ramped, and they cover for eachother. To watch these few so called police get up on the stand and lie, contridict eachother has me losing faith in the system. This newport cop has kicked in his Sgt’s daughters door and took her pot! She was on the phone with her dad, so this cop ran out, the Sgt jacked him up and told him to stay away from his daughter and if there is a warrant for a search he better tell him about it! This SGT and to take my son to theR hospital at 10 am, he was brutaly beaten by a this dirty rookie who gave the pot to his future wife, get this, her dad donated the land for the Middletown police dept! And this rookies best friend is now a Middletown cop and we got a phone call in august that he wants his buddies to get my son because they learned that witnesses came forward. And this rookie is bragging to his peers that he RUNS the Middletown Dept! Everyone, including retired police had heard this. This is a small area my son is friends with the SGT’s daughters they told him everything, also when my son was 17 yrs old, he was at this rookies house Drinking and using pot! I was so angry, I had 4 people tell me they were all doing it! And the police want the young generation to respect them? As a mother I am so sick with this and the sad thing is what I taught my children to believe in, I have no faith in anymore! The day after the pretrial this judge let dismissed everyones cases that worse than my son’s? He had obstruction, resisting and the rookie said he SLAPPED his hand. A video has come forward and a witness in the service also. He will be here for the appeal, Thank God! And a jury will be much safer than a judge!

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  • Red1100cc

    i was just arrested in Beale St. Memphis for filming an arrest taking place. charged with “disorderly conduct and public intox” i was neither drunk or disorderly. the arresting officer erased all my pics and videos. i got a lawyer and all charges were dropped. my right were still violated! im glad i had a bunch of friends to help get me free so i could obtain a lawyer!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4JI6JHK3U3O27YIRRQF77WTZ3Y Ozzy "MAN"

      IS THERE “ANY”  FOLLOW  UP ON THIS???
      PLEASE?

    • Wandering_Bard

       Keep your cell phone password locked, and exercise your right of silence.

  • DM77

    To all following this thread, follow the link below, read the case, PRINT (to keep with you while recording), & record to your hearts content.

    http://peacefreedomprosperity.com/5618/federal-court-rules-videotaping-police-is-a-first-amendment-right/

    Keep in mind, they will not like & ignore your literature advising them that they are breaking the law. So best bet is a “smart” phone linked to “ustream” or “livestream.” I would love to see some vids of this in action so I vow to post links to any vids I take. Would greatly appreciate if you all would share your experiences. Much of this info came from OWS, so whether you agree with them or not, we all need to thank them as well as thanks to Simon Glik who went through the ordeal & persued it all the way to the Supreme Court of appeals.

    • DM77

      Afterthought, In Glik’s position, I also would have asked an attorney about privacy invasion as they do not have a warrant to search one’s phone. would you also let them into your laptop?

  • Alba

    Officer placed the public in more danger than the motorcyclist.  My son was pulled over by an officer and he stepped on my son’s back while he held a gun against his head.  The road was open anyone that is human is tempted.  Also, in NJ 2 kids under 18 was stopped in a dangerous way by an officer who also pulled out gun on the boys riding an ATV.  Bullies are given guns and badges.  

  • Blackhorsechute

    we caught a law official at night in uniform burning tires to burn large amounts of trees and brush piles, can he lose his job ?

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  • Isaac

    Ok people you need to write letters entailing all of these kinds of things and send them to your state internal affairs office.  I had an arrest recently and my rights were broken and i was lied to coerced manipulated and leveraged to consent to a search.  WE NEED TO STAND TOGEHTER, WE NEED TO USE OUR VOICES… write people start writing letters send them to local police chiefs send them to internal affairs.  to your state governor.  If we dont speak up no one will do it for us

  • Isaac

    And you are can record just tell them straight up that your recording… unless you live in Illinois apparently you can get 15yrs over there for recording a police officer… but usse your rights!!

  • Allstr1ker

     One police dash cams and video surveillance is used by the courts not viewed by every one and their brother. People go to far in filming an officer, you put their lives in jeopardy by posting them on Youtube. If a police officer transfers to a different state they can be tracked by video postings of that officer, you don’t think your helping out a criminal that may want revenge. It does happen people and under cover officers making a sting your putt them at risk as well and could cost them their lives. The average citizen has the right not to be filmed and put on the internet so what make the police any different, they are people too you know and have tough job. most people who are filming an arrest have no idea what the hell is going on so their involvement should not be addressed by a video with out having all the facts of a situation.

    • cp

      so tell me why in the fuck there are so many police dashboard cams on youtube?

    • Joe

       Actually the average citizen does NOT have a right to not be filmed while in a public place. Police should be subject to the same laws. We are not talking about going to their homes and filming them while they are off duty. But public officials (that’s what police are) doing their jobs on public property, have no reasonable right to respect privacy. The fact that they feel threatened by cameras is because they know sometime they are operating in a grey area. Who will police the police if not us?

      • Climber777

        Anyone in a public place where they can reasonably expect to be seen or heard can be filmed with audio. The police are allowed to lie to you to get information you don’t have to give by law.  You have to know the law yourself.
        Keep those camera rolling and invest in one that gives you the ability to stream instantly online and to be saved remotely.
        Thank you Joe.

      • Tracer76

         You are wrong on that account Joe once in public view anyone person can record you with out your connect. And by law the Federal Appeals Court ruled all citizens have the right to record any Law Enforcement deemed necessary. Look up
        SIMON GLIK,

        Plaintiff, Appellee,

        v.

        JOHN CUNNIFFE, in his individual
        capacity; PETER J. SAVALIS, in his individual capacity; JEROME
        HALL-BREWSTER, in his individual capacity; CITY OF BOSTON,

        Defendants, Appellants.Or better yet here is the URL. http://peacefreedomprosperity.com/5618/federal-court-rules-videotaping-police-is-a-first-amendment-right/

    • Oxasia

      No, they put their own lives in danger by doing stupid things which betray the trust given to them by the people and thus they put all cops lives in danger by creating ill will and mistrust.

    • noneya business

       Face it, they want one set of rules for them, in uniform or not, and another for the lowly citizenry.  They parade around and pretend that they are some paramilitary organization, and we are their enemy.  Or maybe it’s not just pretend….

      • Flyby639

        yet you would still call them for help if you needed it. fool.

    • LostDesertGirl Girl

       You’ve got to be kidding. This guy is a bonehead. He shouldn’t be a cop. Who knows if he even is!

    • http://profiles.google.com/marysmith634 mary smith

       smile I WILL FILM YOU, why? because it is my right! as for citizens NOT being filmed wake up numb nutts cameras are everywhere from red lights to street corners to parking lots on an average day out in any fair sized city you appear on no less than 10 cameras and thanks to the foi act anyone can make a request for footage.

  • NoOnesFooL

    We have a constitution , It is not just for officers, They pull their pants off the same way everyone else does,I was a Chief, so ur not fooling anyone, Keep em Honest. The cops as having a field day on true TV and publishing their entrapment everywhere. Cameras are not only following them but their making fun of the poor peoples homes, how they dress and how they look.They are Fun to watch are it. They like it, IT TOO MUCH FUN. Their HURTING PEOPLE. Smile at the children and say trust me, turn 16 and your trash., Your Comments is so stupid allstlker. My videos are not on youtube  ,anyone here can type in runwiththewild dot com or google jereme odom, Cops that act stupid and dangerous should be tracked down and badge striped, They have special privileges over human beings and Sworn oaths. They should act like the sh%t ice cream , get it !

    • http://www.facebook.com/DBehrens1040 David Behrens Sr

      If you were a chief and you’re making this post you must have been a disgrace to your department.  You know how dangerous these idiots make the job.  Many insert themselves right into the faces of the officers conducting investigations and arrests.  One such incident even had an idiot come up behind the officer in his blind spot.  The fool could have been killed.  But instead of telling civilians do do their video taping from a safe location you and others advocate them to interfere with police operations.  Ridiculous and dangerous.

      • Todd Risden

        this is what Im talking about…this Loser Cop spitting on a former chief…a chief tired of cleaning up after the Punk Cops..
        I have 4 retired Cops in my family and one was a Chief also..he was always complaining about Punks like this poster who were not allowed to take their Guns Home due to complaints from their wifes…
         
        So lesson up their ..steroid bunny..your d -ick head is most likely bigger than your brain … go home  get drunk and beat your wife..if she hasten already left your sorry “As.s” ..or go over to station and jerk one of your buddies.People Hate Cops for good good reasons..you are scum..cant be trusted..will screw your partners wife’s .if you not out hitting on some poor woman …claiming to let her off of a ticket to get in her pants….Sorry As.s Loserand I bet the Chief above.. was a good caring officer  and was sick of cleaning up behind Punks Like You…Signed , the peoples option of Cops

      • Tracer76

         Sorry there kiddo you think you know the law you don’t know it at all. We have the right to film you or any  Law Enforcement regardless of what you think. There was a case for this back in August 2011 where the Federal Appeals Court has ruled that video recording the police in a
        public place is a constitutional right for all U.S. citizens.SIMON GLIK,

        Plaintiff, Appellee,

        v.

        JOHN CUNNIFFE, in his individual
        capacity; PETER J. SAVALIS, in his individual capacity; JEROME
        HALL-BREWSTER, in his individual capacity; CITY OF BOSTON,

        Defendants, Appellants.

  • noneya business

    Cops are the biggest gang in America… Just look at them, they gang up like wolves on citizens, ever seen them pack up 3 cops on a traffic stop, 20+ to serve a warrant on outstanding tickets, etc…?  They are state sanctioned thieves, modern day highwaymen who lay in wait, ready to waylay travelers and steal their money.  They are chickensh!t little wimps who were bullied in school so they have to try to get back at the world somehow, how better than under the guise of government jackboot thug? 

    • Flyby639

      Idiot Alert!

  • Superpanzercommander

    IF these people would obey the LAW then they would not be in the video.  

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  • Vaughngray13

    policing the police is a citizens duty, I will continue to do it anytime I am pulled over and so should anyone else. If police do not like it, find a job where you do not work for us and our tax money, simple as that. If you do not agree than you got something to hide.

    • http://www.facebook.com/DBehrens1040 David Behrens Sr

      Like most jerks you fail to realize how dangerous you and others who “interfere” with officers in the performance of their duties.  You want to do it from a distance, fine.  You want to do it without getting behind officers while their conducting investigations and arrests, fine.  But, we’ve seen too many people, who think they have the right to blatantly interfere with police operations, getting up close to the actual incident.  It’s dangerous and cry babies like you would be the first to complain and sue if you were injured due to you inserting yourself into a situation you are supposed to be in. 

      • Orubis

        I don’t believe his intentions were to parade through the crime scene as a bystander while shoving his phone in the officer’s faces.

        All he said was he’ll be recording anytime he gets pulled over. Likely via dash cam.

      • Todd Risden

        Cops are Dirty MFs have ruin their trust in the public eye as the lead the U.S in domestic violence  and drunkenness while caring a gun in public.. my family a long line of cops what Nothing to do with you Badge Power hungry A_s-hole’s and in the last 15 years Cop Killing has risen an alarming 15% percent per year  or about 60 per years ..along with 60,000 Officer shot or injured by the public.

        Cops are # One in refusing a Breath Test for DUI… and next is Judges with over 36 cops  arrest for DUI this year alone, Cops offten go to work still drunk and hung over while on steriods….

        you punks brought it on your self’s .so get back to your steroids and screwing one of your Badge bunnies because your most-likely on your 4th marriage like most Cops …and after go home get drunk beat your wife and kids ..it what You Cops Do ..and keep your head down out their..Loser

        you live by the sword…you die by the sword

  • http://twitter.com/ThundalArchsys Thundal Archsys

    http://wearcam.org/netcam_privacy_issues.html

    Here’s an article written long before this bullshit really started happening…  the predictions made are quite interesting, seeing what’s happened…

  • Todd Risden

    Cops today are More like the KKK and their initiations and what they have to do to be excepted…they break the law at every turn of the day…abuse police equipment and park where every the wish..ask every merchant for a discount ..like in apartment complexes for half price…why because most of the Ex-wife’s are getting most of their pay-checks..like mini Scott Peterson just looking for a way to get ride of the ex.

    • Lincoln Pope

      You mean the SS.

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