The whole “Tiger Mom” thing is beyond bull if it’s base on one being Asian.. One can look at the population in china and those slave labour jobs to see otherwise.

Also with 1 billion plus in china what % are those successful tiger cubs/moms?

Or even in the U.S. what % are illegal immigrants who may or maynot be in school which maybe unaccounted for? Or what % are American born asains as opposed to immigrants?

Oh, my Mama is healthy and active, and she continues to tell me several times a day how pretty and how smart I am, and how proud of me the entire clan continues to be—— And you see how wonderfully I turned out. She’s my Sugar Mama, yes She is!

To be educated in America can be a pain in someone’s life time. Being in debt just to be educated creates burden in once life. To work and pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to be educated in America can create health problems and depression. Is it true the majority of Americans are addicted to prescription drugs?

I don’t understand the Topic about Tiger mom.
Is it a Sin to achieve in school with the help of the parents? I think this another topic for Whites only. please!!!!

This is all crazy- overthinking. I wanted the very best for my kids. Maybe I did not go as far she did. I wanted I more rounded up bringing. And maybe that is what down to? She went too far? So, too much conversation on the topic…. Jaysus…Asian, shamus,

To finish: my kids don’t have a clue what they are missing by NOT studying! Still…it IS going to be an interesting sociological experiment: WILL they rise higher through those barrier ceilings? MAYBE! Yet they won’t be as well educated ….perhaps that is a one of the problems with American culture….

I’m first generation German, and I had a tiger mom. Driven athletically, I went to the Olympics. Driven academically I studied for a PhD. I joined the corporate ladder and did a stint.  Then finally to the great disappointment of my parents, bailed out and became a self styled “urban hippy chick” of my parents, bailed out and became a self styled “urban hippy chick”

I do love it when I can help create a stir of controversy.

First, I’d like to thank Wesley for putting me (my stage/pen name being “Asian Playboy”) and my company (the ABCs of Attraction) in the Paper Tiger story about representing Asian men and enhancing our image as masculine and confident and not the stereotypes that the media perpetuates, a subject near and dear to my heart.

Obviously, my approach is from an alternative angle- helping Asian men be confident and successful in their dating, sex life, and romantic life- but achieving confidence is something both universal and something that can be applied to all areas of our lives. My students have gone off to have sexual adventures, but to also fall in love, settle down, and get married.

It is so SO important for Asian Americans to learn that emotional intelligence is a HIGHER PREDICTOR OF SUCCESS than simply your grades and college education. Working with people, interacting with them with confidence is what will make you both successful and happy.

The mission statement of my company falls in line with wanting to help my Asian brothers be successful in all areas of their lives. My first client, in fact, was a Canadian Chinese mother who called me up after hearing about me from her son.

She literally hired my to fly up to Toronto and help socialize her son who had been harassed by neo-Nazis in highschool. And for three days and three nights, I was the big brother he never had, teaching him the secret language that Wesley points out in the beginning of the story.

Anyways, hopefully Asian Americans who read this will begin to strike out on their own, to be more successful, and to achieve their own happiness. And if I and my company can be of any small help in that part, I am proud to do my part.

JT Tran
http://www.abcsofattraction.com

Mr. Camp you mentioned you’re a teacher. Do you have an Asian-American student(s) who excel in class or left behind? 

 There has been a lot of talk about this Amy Chua. She comes from the Philippines and her methods simply won’t work in a place like that.  One has to be familiar with the educational system   there   to understand what I mean. i am sure  that many parents in the Philippines would like their children to study hard. The outcomes like anywhere else is indeed variable. The real problem there, is really money not the way you educate your kid. What is the use  of being the valedictorian of your high school class if you do not have any money to go to a  private college like the Ateneo, La Salle, Assumption etc. or whatever private school you can name over there. The financial aid system them is almost non-existent. If you don’t have any money and you want to go to a private school , you have to content yourself  with the private school that you can afford, sort of a sliding scale system. If you do not want to go to a private school over there then try getting admitted to a public school like the University of the Philippines which is a very difficult to get into anyway. Just like in this country, there is always a private university there that will enroll you  as long  as you can pay their tuition. Chua’s methods won’t work in this country either. If grades and SAT scores were the sole basis of admissions at Harvard, then 60 % of the freshman class  there will vanish into thin  air because of the vast system of preferences that exists there and in the Ivy League. What is the point of getting a perfect score of 1600 SAT (old version ) when Harvard has already admiitted  that more than half of applicants with perfect SAT scores are denied admission. I understand  that one of her daughters had been accepted to Harvard and Yale. Private schools   indulge in many kinds of preferences , among them  preferences for the children of professors. Her ( Amy Chua ) being a professor at Yale Law and her husband being a professor at Harvard law certainly helped. Let me point out other things. The vast majority of Asians in this country got their degrees, their bachelor’s at least, from public universities and not from the Ivy League. There are more people got doctorates in Science and Engineering  in the period 1997-2006  who got their undergraduate degree from Penn State  than from Harvard according to  the NSF ( National Science Foundation ) than from Harvard. There were more  Asians who are grads of Suny Stony Brook  than Harvard who applied to med school than Harvard last year. Harvard is not even in the top 100 schools that grant bachelor degrees to Asians according to Diverse.org
I am of the opinion that your kids  should study wants to study but should study hard her subject or passion of choice.. That will serve her in life in the long run. With the kind of  of qoutas the Ivies have against Asians anyway, we have enough of this Amy Chua.

                                  From a Pilipino in California

Originally posted on http://elusions.wordpress.comBy now, if you’re Asian, you’ve probably come across this article called “Paper Tigers: What happens to all the Asian-American overachievers when the test-taking ends” written by Wesley Yang. If you haven’t, it’s a worthwhile read about what it means to be Asian American, namely East Asian American. You can find it here.The article is essentially an 11 page barrage of why Asian Americans 1. suck at being leaders, 2. suck at getting girls, and 3. suck at being successful in life. Of course he gives a few examples of relatively more successful Asian Americans, like Steve Chen and Tony Hsieh, but for the most part his vignettes focus on the shortcomings of upbringing within an Asian culture epitomized in this one sentence:“How do you undo eighteen years of a Chinese upbringing?” My retort is, Why would I?I can see his point – his examples of the nerdy Chinese kid knowing only how to study and take tests, nerdy Chinese kid not having the confidence to pick up girls, or the nerdy Chinese kid being a hard worker but never speaking up or getting promoted – these people do exist. I can see myself in each of the vignettes he highlights. But it’s a poor representation of Asian Americans. And it’s not just an Asian American problem.By now you can sense that I don’t agree with everything he says. I have 3 main reasons:1. His definition of success is problematic. From reading this article, you get the sense that being successful means making a lot of money, getting girls and being at the center of attention, namely breaking through what he calls the “Bamboo Ceiling.”“The “Bamboo Ceiling”—an invisible barrier that maintains a pyramidal racial structure throughout corporate America, with lots of Asians at junior levels, quite a few in middle management, and virtually none in the higher reaches of leadership…so many Asian graduates of elite universities find that meritocracy as they have understood it comes to an abrupt end after graduation.”Fortunately for us, there’s more to life. What about being a good father? A good friend? Or a good team player? And honestly, is there something wrong with being good at studying and taking tests? How can that just be an Asian thing when our United States education policy grades teachers and schools on test scores and test taking ability (i.e. No Child Left Behind)? When our schools, whether it’s colleges or grad schools, make test taking a big requirement for admissions? Last I checked the United States government and admissions committees aren’t made up of Asians. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.2. His coverage of Asian Americans is imbalanced and skewed. His vignettes delve a lot deeper into why Asian Americans fail but he fails to delve into reasons why they also succeed. He spends approximately 1 page out of 11 pages on successful Asian Americans. I would challenge the author to write another 10 pages highlighting why Asian Americans are successful at life. And they do succeed, not just in America but also around the world. I would argue that the very reasons (i.e. racial stereotypes) he claims to limit Asians, such as valuing filial piety and self-restraint, can also help them succeed. And the very reasons (again racial stereotypes) that may help someone succeed may also cause them to fail, like this one below:“White people have this instinct that is really important: to give off the impression that they’re only going to do the really important work. You’re a quarterback. It’s a kind of arrogance that Asians are trained not to have.”When I read this, the first thing that came to mind was why would anyone want to work with these tools. What ever happened to striving for a balance of approaching things with confidence and humility?3. Finally why is this article so focused on the shortcomings of Asian American guys? Actually wait, Asian American guys who go to Stuyvescent High School. Being from the South, what about all the Asian Americans in Texas or the Midwest? There, we ride horses and hunt our own food. The only female he critiques is Amy Chua who probably has as much testosterone as any other guy. What about the unique experiences of being an Asian American woman? His argument is that Asian American guys, though hard working, are socially awkward, aloof, and generally terrible at picking up girls, namely white girls:“Yes, it is about picking up women. Yes, it is about picking up white women. Yes, it is about attracting those women whose hair is the color of the midday sun and eyes are the color of the ocean, and it is about having sex with them…White guys do what they want.”My suggestion: the author should interview my neighbor. He’s an Asian FOB, speaks with an Asian accent, AND he’s dating a pretty white girl.I don’t deny the facts. Yes, there are a lot of things that we Asian Americans as a whole can improve on and I don’t disagree with the examples the author give. He makes good points, albiet a bit imbalanced, but thought-provoking and going a bit extreme to force people to discuss these issues and think about breaking stereotypes. His conclusion?“We will need more people with the same kind of defiance, willing to push themselves into the spotlight and to make some noise, to beat people up, to seduce women, to make mistakes, to become entrepreneurs, to stop doggedly pursuing official paper emblems attesting to their worthiness, to stop thinking those scraps of paper will secure anyone’s happiness, and to dare to be interesting.”My retort: don’t start becoming who you’re not. Find and do what you love, with those you love.

Glad we are discussing the Asian American population. Koh MoIl 

It is a little hard to feel much sadness for America’s most successful ethnic group (or grouping of groups, to be more accurate).  So some perceive the existence of a bamboo ceiling – well, what about all those living in the cellar?  Still, I thought that Yang’s comments pointed out some important issues connected to being Asian-American, and I for one support this kind of conversation.  In today’s politically correct and supposedly postracial climate, attributing any sort of tendency to an ethnic group is considered racist, an attitude that I find to be pretty delusional.  Now granted we don’t want to fall into the old evils of the past, in which various ethnic groups were widely believed, at least by more privileged groups, to all have numerous deficiencies.  Now that is racism.  But discussing qualities and tendencies shouldn’t be. 

For the record I am not Asian, but have had many friends who are, and have always been attracted to their cultures, their cuisines, and their good manners and values.  I think that some of them do have issues related to shyness, and also to the neo-Confucian expectations of devotion to parental and social expectations.  And it is okay to talk about it.  I applaud Yang for starting the conversation.

I just listened to this episode on the podcast.  I lost track of how many times Wesley Yang felt he needed to blame “racist white people” for the challenges facing Asians.  

Ironic that Yang’s anecdote about the dissatisfied Asian poet-lawyer who was given the more difficult part of a project (while the “happy” white mathematician-lawyer was given an easier part of the project) is the  exact opposite of the typical complaint we hear from blacks, i.e. how a dissatisfied black lawyer would be given the “easy” part of the project while the “happy” white lawyer would get to work on the more challenging part of the project.  Whites just can’t lose.

Whatever.  I guess it’s an example of Asians successfully assimilating into modern American culture — by looking around for grievances (real or imagined) and finding their victimhood-niche from which to cast blame at everyone else (but especially whites) for their troubles.

Although here it’s especially laughable given that Asians are overwhelmingly the global majority, and Chinese among the most racist of all modern cultures.

Goodwin Liu was rejected because he’s an extreme liberal who was dumb enough to shoot his mouth off with race-baiting comments whenever the opportunity presented itself.

Here’s Goodwin Liu on record, doing a bit of race-baiting and trashing now Supreme Court Justice Alito:

“Judge Alito’s record envisions an America where police may shoot and kill an unarmed boy to stop him from running away with a stolen purse … where a black man may be sentenced to death by an all-white jury for killing a white man” … “I humbly submit that this is not the America we know. Nor is it the America we aspire to be.”

That is Goodwin Liu.  I guess if you want to be appointed to a lifetime position as a federal judge, you should reign in your race-baiting, bombastic comments about U.S. Supreme Court nominees.

I know, I know, it’s OK because Alito is white, right?  And it’s OK to make racist comments about whites, right?  That’s not racism, that’s just “reverse racism” what a silly concept tee hee hee …

His race-baiting aside, Goodwin Liu was not rejected because he is Asian any more than Bush’s would-be appointee Miguel Estrada was rejected because he was Hispanic.  (Incidentally, back when Estrada was rejected, Liu felt it was helpful to point out to Senator Durbin that Estrada was seen as “especially dangerous, because he has a minimal paper trail, he is Latino, and the White House seems to be grooming him for a Supreme Court appointment”. Pssst did you get that — he’s Latino, but he doesn’t agree with our politics so he’s dangerous!)

The real truth is that politics — not race — is behind Liu’s rejection, as is always the case with these judicial nominations.  That’s why the same liberals who are up in arms over Goodwin Liu being rejected derisively refer to Justice Thomas as an “Uncle Tom” without hesitation, because regardless of his skin color they don’t like his politics.

There will be a first Asian Supreme Court Justice before long, and if he’s conservative liberals will bash him (look for liberals like Liu to call him “totalitarian” or “not Asian enough”) and if he’s liberal conservatives will bash him (look for “socialist” and “communist”).

As usual, there are always some ready to pull out the simple-minded race-baiting whenever things don’t go their way, in life or in politics.  

Meanwhile, it’s entertaining to watch the global majority Asians whip themselves up about racism while they are overrepresented in every elite institution in the U.S., while everyone knows the glass house the Chinese live in when it comes to racist cultures.

Here’s another “white guy” rant for you, about a dangerous legal slope:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTUcY9RszQc

Grassley looked quite content; I suspect the bitterness is all on Mr. Liu’s side at this point.  (Hopefully his Tiger Mom won’t set fire to his toys because he failed at making it onto the Supreme Court.)

This program was disconcerting. One one hand these Asian guests bemoan the stereotyping of Asians in American society. On the other, they bemoan being raised precisely according to those stereotypes. Well, which one is it, do you or don’t you fit the stereotypes? If you don’t, you are right to complain. But if you do, why accuse others of racism? It just seems to me the guests are resentful of having been raised “the Asian way” and that they are taking the opportunity to lash out quite indiscriminately.