How Your Social Networks Influence You

We’ll look at how social networks may guide your life. Your health. Your happiness.

(iMorpheus/Flickr)

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We picture ourselves as distinct individuals. Bold or mild. Tame or wild. But making our own ways through the world. In American parlance, even as “rugged individualists.”

Forget about it, say my guests today. Yes, you are an individual. But each of us lives in social networks that powerfully shape the way we think, feel, operate in the world.

Our ideas, our emotions, our politics, our sex lives – even our weight and life spans – invisibly guided by network effects. Now it’s on Facebook, and in the streets of Egypt and beyond.

This hour On Point: the social networks that shape our lives.

- Tom Ashbrook

Guests:

Nicholas Christakis, professor with joint appointments in the departments of health care policy, sociology and medicine at Harvard University. In 2009, he was named one of Time Magazine’s 100 most influential people in the world. He is co-author of “Connected: How Your Friends’ Friends’ Friends Affect Everything You Feel, Think and Do,” just out in paperback.

James Fowler, professor at the University of California, San Diego, in the Department of Political Science and the Center for Wireless and Population Health Systems. He is co-author of “Connected: How Your Friends’ Friends’ Friends Affect Everything You Feel, Think and Do.”

Here’s an excerpt from the book.

Earthquake In New Zealand
At the end of this hour, we’ll hear from New Zealand’s Prime Minister John Key on the devastating earthquake in Christchurch.

People walk through a street partly covered with rubble after an earthquake hit Christchurch, New Zealand, Tuesday, Feb. 22 (AP)

People walk through a street partly covered with rubble after an earthquake hit Christchurch, New Zealand, Tuesday, Feb. 22 (AP)

Key’s speech notes are available from his website.

New Zealanders have woken to a tragedy unfolding in the great city of Christchurch.

The earthquake that struck the Canterbury region at ten to one yesterday has wreaked death and destruction on a dreadful scale.

There is no reason that can make sense of this event.

No words that can spare our pain.

We are witnessing the havoc caused by a violent and ruthless act of nature.

Many people have lost their lives. Families have lost their cherished loved ones. Mates have lost their mates.

These deaths are the greatest loss.

They remind us that buildings are just buildings, roads just roads, but our people are irreplaceable.

Today all New Zealanders grieve for you Christchurch.

To all those who woke up in Christchurch today feeling lucky to be alive, we know that you too are shocked, unnerved and grieving.

We know that your loss is sharpened by fear.

Our minds go to the mothers and fathers comforting children struck by anxiety and disbelief.

They go to the elderly, infirm and isolated who experienced this event alone and who remain blunted by shock.

And they go to each and every Cantabrian who has stoically endured six months of aftershocks, only to be hit by the biggest shock of all.

On behalf of New Zealand let me say to all of you: We feel your pain, as only a small nation can, for none of us feel removed from this event.

I am a proud son of Christchurch. I was raised there, I got my first job there, my sister lives there, my mother died there, I know what a wonderful place it is.

But my connection to Christchurch is no rare thing.

All New Zealanders have a piece of our heart in Christchurch.

All of our lives are touched by this event.

A friend or family member who lives there. A time spent studying there or a memorable experience had there.

We feel connected to your suffering. Your tragedy is our tragedy.

Today I want Christchurch to hear this message:

You will get through this.

This proud country is right behind you and we are backing you with all our might.

The world is with us.

Our Australian neighbours, our British and American friends, the great countries of this world, all are putting their shoulder to your wheel. They are sending their support, their expertise, their people to help us.

Christchurch, today is the day your great comeback begins.

Though your buildings are broken, your streets awash, and your hearts are aching, your great spirit will overcome.

While nature has taken much from you, it can not take your survivor’s spirit.

This devastating event marks the beginning of a long journey for your city.

It will be a journey that leads us from ruins and despair to hope and new opportunities. From great hardship will come great strength.

It will be a difficult journey, but progress is certain, things will get better, Christchurch will rise again.

On behalf of the Government, let me be clear that no one will be left to walk this journey alone.

New Zealand will walk this journey with you. We will be there every step of the way.

Christchurch; this is not your test, this is New Zealand’s test.

I promise we will meet this test.

Today and tomorrow our focus must be on preserving lives, on rescuing those who are trapped and treating those who are injured.

We pay tribute to the hundreds of search and rescue workers, emergency personnel, medical professionals and each and every person who is contributing to this effort.

You are heroes amongst us.

Already the bravery and resilience of Canterbury is on show.

In the weeks ahead our journey will take us to new obstacles, new challenges.

We have a city to rebuild. We have peoples’ livelihoods to restore. We have a community’s confidence to inspire.

We will rise to these challenges.

We will rebuild this city resolutely, and with the conviction that this is what it is to be a Cantabrian, what it is to be a New Zealander.

We are a country of pioneers. Whether we came by waka, sailboat, or aeroplane, we came with the conviction that we could build a new life in this country.

That great pioneering spirit will come to the fore in Christchurch over the coming months and years.

Though lost lives will never be replaced, and though your city will never look the same again, you will rebuild your city, you will rebuild your lives, you will overcome.

We have seen many cities in the world come back from disasters on this scale, and Christchurch will be no exception.

I know that all New Zealanders stand ready to help.

Right now, we can help by rallying around those who are grieving, supporting those whose livelihoods are in peril.

My message to all Kiwis who want to help is – act on that desire.

No act of kindness is too small.

Right now, you can help by offering support to friends and family who are hurting. Offer them a bed or a roof over their head if that is what they need. Make your donations to help those who have been hit hardest.

As infrastructure recovers, your visits to Christchurch will be welcome.

Above all, throughout this journey, offer those affected your love. Know that your humanity is more powerful than any act of nature.

As we look to the future, New Zealanders should know that the Government is going to do everything we can to support the recovery and rebuilding of Christchurch.

We are a resilient nation, and we will not bow down to this challenge.

Now let me turn to events of today.

In the past half hour, I have been advised by the Police commander on the ground, Superintendent Dave Cliff, of the latest information available on the loss of life.

I need to emphasise that this information remains under constant review and will be updated during the course of the day.

I am advised that the Police have confirmed 75 fatalities at this point, 55 of whom have been identified.

There are many others missing, the status of which remains unknown.

I have just finished chairing an Emergency Cabinet Meeting, the third since the earthquake struck less than 24 hours ago.

At Cabinet today Ministers received the latest advice on the situation on the ground and discussed all elements of the rescue and recovery.

Cabinet agreed with the decision made under Civil Defence legislation by the Minister to declare a national state of emergency.

As required by the legislation, John Carter will make a statement to Parliament this afternoon.

I have been in contact with Mayor Bob Parker to inform him of the decision, and to reiterate my assurance that central Government will provide all necessary resources to deal with this natural disaster.

I have also spoken by telephone with Leader of the Opposition Phil Goff to inform him of this decision and I also thanked him for his efforts on the ground in Christchurch.

In practice this enables the strongest possible focus of local, national and international resources working together to achieve the best possible response in the shortest timeframe.

Under the Civil Defence Emergency Management Act, this declaration means the Director of Civil Defence Emergency Management John Hamilton may control the exercise and performance of functions, duties, and powers of CDEM Groups and Group controllers. There are no other differences between the powers under a state of local emergency and a state of national emergency.

Of course, these powers will be exercised working in close support of and cooperation with Bob Parker and the Christchurch Civil Defence team.

At the end of this press conference I will be leaving for the airport to once again travel to Christchurch.

I expect to arrive at about 1pm, and I will go directly to Civil Defence Headquarters to meet with Bob Parker and be updated on the situation.

I would like to, if possible, visit some of the welfare centres that have been established.

It is also my hope to be able to survey the damage in Lyttelton in some way.

I intend to return to Wellington tonight for further meetings with Ministers.

I’d like to take a moment now to acknowledge the international offers of help we have received, and to thank our friends around the globe for their sympathy and support.

I have spoken with several leaders since the Earthquake and we have received messages from all over the world. I cannot note them all right now simply because there are so many. But I have been touched by the support.

There have been foreign nationals caught up in this disaster and it is possible that some of the fatalities from this earthquake are visitors to New Zealand.

Foreign Affairs officials are providing all the support they can to consular staff from other countries, as they work to assist their own nationals caught up in the disaster.

To date, we have accepted offers of assistance from Australia, the United States, Singapore, the United Kingdom, Japan and Taiwan. We are constantly assessing the requirements in Christchurch and have offers of help from many other countries pending at this point which we are keeping under review.

A statement will be coming from Foreign Minister Murray McCully’s office shortly outlining further details of this overseas assistance.

 
  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VDH4GYJMIUFU373W3XUQVD2V4E Patrick

    I just use Facebook to broadcast my views, have a doubt that I’m under any stress from that site.

    • Grady

      I only use FB to support Rupert Murdoch.

  • Yar

    I hope you will take the time to discuss the new version of software you are using on the On Point blog. What was the intent of the developers of DISQUS, and why did WBUR choose to use their software?
    I see real value in joining the On Point Community and encourage others to join as well.
    That said, online communities are only a small part of social networking, personal contact is required to get an accurate reflection of our emotional self.
    If our relationships are only superficial then I believe we lose touch with reality, just as if we never looked into a mirror or only have a distorted mirror we are not able to identify our own image.
    The value in joining the On Point online community is looking at an individual’s comments over time and it gives a better sense of who they are. That is not to say an online presence represents the individual’s true identity. People mis-represent themselves all the time, but that representation tells a story too.

    • John

      The new software is awful. It takes longer to load and I miss posts. I used to follow it all day, now I don’t bother much longer than the end of the show and I’m tempted to stop even doing that.

      • Yar

        John, I have not noticed longer load times.
        Different browsers may handle the site with variable results.

        The reply inside a thread is different, I have been using the search function on my browser (chrome) to find the latest posts. I am also following some of the more active posters, so their comments show up on a dashboard and I like replies to my posts as an email.
        I would like to be able to do a time of post type of sort, that pulled replies out of the thread and listed them when they were posted. I can essentially get that by keeping my browser open and click show new posts as they show up. Refreshing the browser moves replies down into the thread format.
        It is a different experience once you join and use your own profile instead of a guest profile. Try creating a DISQUS ID.

        Searching for the term “minutes ago” will let you find the most recent posts.

        • Tina

          Yar, that’s really helpful! Another thing you may have read when I mentioned it before — when you “refresh” the page, your “likeds” disappear. Sometimes you can then “like” a posting more than once; other times, the site will NOT let you post more than once for the same. I have NOT been able to figure it out yet.

          A question: sometime, the page will say, “Yar and 2 others liked this.” Does that happen when you are on Discus? If so, I prefer the anonymity of being able to like or not without my name showing up. This might influence my decision to join thru Disqus rather than thru Guest.

          I’m with JOhn, tho, I think, with the old format, that we all were pretty good with indicating what day and time someone posted before we responded to them. The “new posts” thing just doesn’t do it for me, tho I’m trying HARD to like it.

          • Yar

            I think we should lobby to allow the old format view as an option, it should not be too difficult to do technically. You can use multiple personalities if that is what you desire. You can click like while logged out on your Disqus id and retain your privacy.
            And you are not really that anonymous even now, just click on the icon next to your name.
            Another feature from the DISQUS dashboard is you can delete a comment you make and it will remove your name and replace it with guest.
            Even in a coffee shop, you get to know the regulars, even if you don’t know their names.

          • Beretco Op

            They censor too much. They don’t have a sense of humor. They are afraid of the development director.

          • Yar

            I don’t know if I have ever been censored.

          • Ellen Dibble

            One post-er from a couple years back who had been censored often has her name as a return address on a fat envelope that came in the mail today, or rather, there is the name and only Boston, MA as return address. Now there you have persistence of a different order. Someone that persistent would also have my phone number and e-mail address and could have circumvented the censors that way.
            My point is that beyond a certain point, strenuous political perspectives escape control. She is like the questioner at the constituents’ meeting who stole his/her turn by apparently creating the numbered ticket that had been announced would be called.
            I do know how to pitch mail like that but I hate to.

          • http://hubbub.wbur.org/people/aphelps Andrew Phelps

            We have changed a setting so that commenters’ names no longer appear next to their “likes.”

      • Tina

        Is that where you’ve gone?

  • Cory

    FB has allowed me to reconnect with friends 20 years gone and thousands of miles away. I realisticly would never have found these people again. For this I will always be grateful.

    • Grady

      I am lacking when it comes to a FB personality. I also don’t want strangers in my business.

  • Irv West

    Like so much else in our lives, being connected has value, but we take it to extremes. I work with struggling youth, and FB permits them to hide behind superficiality and mass exposure. Nothing deep, nothing in confidence. It is sad and destructive.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1215630905 Nancylee Bouscher

    I agree with Irv West that FB is impacting youth very differently. Everyone on my FB account is someone I know, meaning I have talked with them face to face at some point in my life or they are a real-life nonprofit/local business. However, a teen friend has hundreds of friends she has never met- teens seem to create an on-line persona that is not really them. i worry that children growing up with so much media exposure seriously do have trouble understanding where entertainment stops and reality begins.

  • Stillin

    I think social networking can be o.k but it’s so overrated…a lot of it is shallow, boring, as Irv West said, I agree. I actually think sitting at a computer as a way to feel connected is extremely pathetic. There is a great quote by the Daili Llama about how we don’t bother to go greet or see out neighbors, so out of touch with actual connection are we. I agree with that. I teach kids and have three of my own, and I see the difference between how I grew up, physically and emotionally interacting for real with people, and how they interact…I feel for them.

    • Tina

      I don’t disagree with you, but some people do not reach back when people reach out, so, in that case, social networking is resilient rather than “pathetic”.

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  • BHA

    I don’t participate in social networks, at least not the obvious ones like Facebook. However, I am curious to know if interaction with others on OnPoint is considered to be in the same vein as ‘social networking’.

    • Irv West

      BHA, I think there are dramatic differences. On Point is focused, of short duration (an hour per subject), and deep. All the things I mentioned earlier are not true of FB.

      • Grady

        I want On Point to offer networking directly.

    • Tina

      BHA, I asked the same question! It’s on this page somewhere.

  • Christopher

    I am not a product of my “social” network. It is a forum for me to express myself, not a way of identifying myself.

  • Dave in CT

    Its nice to think about an easy way to share family pictures with friends and family.

    But the deep, far flung friends of friends, and the nature of once things are out on the web, you’ll never get it back- words, images etc, and the ramifications for employment etc are disturbing.

  • Dave in CT

    I wonder if we are even capable of maintaining such an extended level of relationships, in a meaningful, valuable way.

    Multitasking was thoroughly debunked last year as an ineffective and perhaps dangerous illusion.

    How about multi-friending?

    • Grady

      Dave, they said as early as 1968 (social psychology) that people can effectively maintain only about 8 intimate friendships at any one time. After that the personalities become confused, like some friends are melded together and distorted. I find this to be true, but I keep rotating the roster.

  • Nancy in Litchfield County, CT

    Regarding social networks: The effect of Facebook, Twitter, etc. on people’s behavior is not news. We’ve always heard the saying “Birds of a feather flock together” and about the theory of GroupThink. Of course it’s going to affect people’s behaviors and ways of thinking….it’s not rocket science. It’s human nature.

  • Sinclair

    Rubbish!

    Paranoia disguised as academic investigation. . .

    (People, places, things are significant re. addictions; we have long known that people group together, so how is this news?)

  • Anonymous

    Great topic!

    One of you just said “Facebook has co-opted an ancient word in our language, “friend.”

    I think you miss a bigger point. That today’s world, time and space have flattened, so that I am in daily contact with people that live in other places in the world and who were connected to me in high school, but today re not.

    • nj

      What does it mean that “time has flattened”?

      • Anonymous

        Its a post-modern or high modernity phrase that I read in a book by Anthony Giddens…sorry for the jargon. Basically, though, my point is that time is no longer the linear thing that it once was. It used to be that whey you left high school and if you move away, you would not know the day to day life of your classmates and they would not know yours. They became ‘acquaintances’.
        But now, these people from high school are involved in my daily life via facebook. So the distance between 25 years ago and today has ‘flattened’ or ‘collapsed’ in such a way that people that were ‘friends’ in 1987 (when I graduated) are now back in my life. So too with space, where people who live across the world or in New Jersey know my life better than my next door neighbor who I never speak with. Which brings me to new questions. Are these people from high school really ‘friends’? Or do they only know an illusion of who I am today – a memory of who I was in high school – which in most observable ways is a different person than I am today.

        • Grady

          Nope, not flattened, but social progress has been arrested by polarization of power.

  • Loring Palmer

    Lor from Somerville: 2 questions 1] how does this relate to Memetics? 2] this sounds like “dependent origination” that buddhists talk about, that “I” don’t exist, that personality is the interaction of personal psychological conditioning along with cultural conditioning. Are we on the same page?

    • Megan

      look at is more as “inter-being.” You are creating yourself in response to the stimuli your brain responds to and how it shapes your response, through whatever filters (mental, computerized) you choose to use. You exist as an individual, but your interactions with the world and with others shape you. And you shape other people, thorugh your interactions and perceptions of themselves and experiences, by what you say/write/express artistically/protest/celebrate about them.

    • Megan

      look at is more as “inter-being.” You are creating yourself in response to the stimuli your brain responds to and how it shapes your response, through whatever filters (mental, computerized) you choose to use. You exist as an individual, but your interactions with the world and with others shape you. And you shape other people, thorugh your interactions and perceptions of themselves and experiences, by what you say/write/express artistically/protest/celebrate about them.

  • Ellen Dibble

    Didn’t somebody determine that happiness is contagious to something like seven degrees of separation?
    Something like that. But does that apply when you’re talking about nonpersonal interaction (internet activity)?
    I think people “on the street” within a city do not interact meaningfully a whole lot. People are very selective about how involved they get. “Hi, great to see you. How are you? Fine, I’m fine too.” Now there are vast amounts of connectedness that create a kind of “small town” that says “I might know you better than appears on the surface,” and in a group, say trying to coordinate from the back rows in a very hostile group of 300 trying to shout down their senator last weekend, there is a sense that very minimal connections can get magnified pretty fast to the extent people know each other to be “out there.” Someone might feel enough threaded into the understanding of the other (mostly gray-haired) people present, to assume a certain leadership they otherwise might not.
    It takes very little to spring that kind of leadership, but it can be called upon in a very short instant. And no one is perfect, but I think of Libya when I see a lot of people trying to be disruptive. There is not a shared sense of Roberts Rules of Order applies. There is a shared sense of Roberts Rules ought to be thrown out. And how do we all waste our time and get our ulcers under those circumstances?
    In a less wired world, we would be strangers to each other. Now we are known through a new kind of grapevine.

    • Tina

      Ellen, I like that phrase, “a new kind of grapevine”. It’s too bad that that was not the phrase that was chosen instead of “friends”. Because, as you point out, grapevining DOES happen thru the internet — that is FOR SURE. But, I think almost everyone’s heart goes out to the awkward thirteen year old who really thinks they have one thousand “friends”.

      • Ellen Dibble

        I’m still figuring out the new Comments, how it works, and I think sometimes a Reply comes to my E-mail but not to the public site, which makes it hard to answer. Anyway, I read an E-mail reply, Tina, that I do think went to the site on Scott Brown’s book, and you said something about what you neglected to tell Luna, who says she’s 13 (or he?). Anyway, there was a 13-year-old who posted toward the end of another Comments topic, a thread about teens coming of age or something like that. And I thought clearly the site monitors were posing, just reminding us that the Internet is unchaperoned, not to be too nonchalant. So I thought Luna was a minotaur — I mean, a monitor, and was being super-chalant.

    • Ellen Dibble

      I’m thinking I should add this was Senator Kerry speaking with constituents, which had only been mentioned on the radio the morning of, or others had heard the day before that, and he had the impression a good conversation could be had in this locality. Perhaps. But we didn’t get that far. Our space was reserved for 2 hours. We had lottery numbers if we had questions. I was 36 and never got called. The mayor announced at 10 of that the last three numbers were 6, 73, and something else. It turned out there were two 73′s. “Only in Northampton,” said the senator. But you could write down those numbers pretty easily. We were resigned by that point. But earlier, when people overboiled in the middle of this or that, saying they didn’t have a number but wanted to cut in, Kerry heard the angry yelling and while the rest of the audience had their arms out pointing the yeller toward the exit, or shouting at him or her to wait their turn, Kerry stopped us and said, “I want to hear you” (to whichever one had overboiled), and “I’ve been doing this a long time,” and would pace a bit to maybe let off a little steam while listening. I learned a lot from that. But it wasn’t the constructive dialog we could have had, and maybe needed to have. It was more like the political ER, emergency room. Kerry said that was needed too.

  • Donna Delmas

    I have always found it very interesting that all of the women I grew up with and hung out with in my college years, have no children. Mostly by choice.
    Also, Most, and dare I say all, of my high school friends, that still live in my home town area, on face book, are Republicans. and so many of them that left home are not republicans.
    Donna,

    • Grady

      Light travelers don’t want to get stuck, Donna. They are concerned with the choices human rights bring. People who stay home may have a stake in controlling or repressing others, and themselves. Fertility may be lessened by the simple life, or maybe your women who synchonized menses all caught the barren bug.

  • Al Livingston

    I have been working with my son on making some career decisions. I see that many people have created an ideology out of their experiences with their social group and life. What I want to know is how do we change the idology and the habits that we have created to allow ourselves to be more open to opportunity and change?

    • Tina

      Al, Opposite to what you are working out (if I’ve understood you correctly), yet really more parallel to it: I have friends whose child’s ideology is so much about being Open, that the parents worry that the child is exposing him/herself to too many “opportunities” — they fear that there is as much “ideology” as their is “authentic self” behind their child’s choices.

      I think the answer is this: keep working WITH your son — it is THAT part of the whole enterprise that has the most meaning: father and son working together.

  • Jeremy

    Hi Tom – Does your guests book go into the evolutionery reasoning behind survival and its need for socialnetworking. In my mind this is a story that is millions of years old.

  • Sinclair

    FB is an individual narcissistic medium.

  • Tina

    Tom! You didn’t mention YOUR MOST LOYAL “FOLLOWERS”! — the people who go to On Point’s COMMENTS PAGES!!

    ALTHO … I DO think we try pretty assiduously to discuss “the Point”, rather than socializing, per se. Sometimes we share personal things, but this seems to be in support of “the Point”. We even get to understand SOMETHING of one another’s views — again, within the context of “the Point” — and that part for me feels like sharing by being in a class together rather than being home, reading about the topic on your own.

    This IS an extraordinary forum, and I appreciate that when people share, that I can learn. Given my life circumstances at the moment, I love learning almost more than any other activity, so I kind of find this site to be a LEARNING SITE activated by the CONVERSATIONS that we have. IS THIS a “social network”? I don’t know.

    • Yar

      On Point is my main online network, I value the comments of all. Having different opinions is more valuable than just hearing from people who think just like me. I wish more people would join instead of just posting from the public profile. I would like to see your comments over a the past year. The software makes that easy once people join.
      Thanks for your contributions to this community.
      Ray

      • Grady

        Don’t you have to have a website to join. They asked me for a website and wouldn’t let me. Disqis I mean.

        • Yar

          No, Creating a Disqus profile is different than moderating a site. Once you create a profile and confirm it with your email address, you can merge all of your past comments into your current profile. That is how it is different than the guest public profile created every time you make a comment. Once you create the profile I recommend changing the icon or avatar, what ever you call that little image next to your name. That way you know if your logged into the Disqus community.
          Click on the icon next to my name and you can see what communities I belong to that use Diqus.
          Hope this helps.

    • Grady

      I like the socializing, especially kidding you guys as if we were hanging out. I wish I could visit all your homes like Santa. “God loves little Brandstat and I do too. God loves little William and I do too. He made them happy and gave them a smile. God loves Dave in Connecticut, and I do too.

  • Geosax

    In today’s America, where most of us move every 5 years or so, it’s seems more likely that we choose who we want to be around (bird of a feather flock together), not so much that we’re shaped by our good friends we grew up with, etc…

  • Ellen Dibble

    Tina, I think of Comments in a special way too. I consider people can come and “read” me here anonymously, just as if a person publishes a book, someone can read it, borrow it, take it in, or not.
    That is SO SO different from handing someone a writing and saying what do you think of that. People want to agree and approve, in person. So it is very special to be out there in ways people have the freedom to disagree with.
    So I say hurray for this site.

    • Tina

      Me, too, Hurray!

      • Grady

        Hurray for you both. Pancake must be taking her “disconnect time.”

  • Ellen Dibble

    How I value my disconnected time — much more than in the old days when disconnected time was always except when the phone rang.

  • Sinclair

    The “forest fire” analogy is terrible: so little regard for the resulting eco-wildlife devastation, increasingly started by equally ignorant people!

  • Dave in CT

    We talk about that (Venn diagrams of ideology) here alot. We do have diverse voices, but most times, people seem to just react from their venn, not absorb, reflect and reply to rational points. But there are good moments here for sure….

    • Ellen Dibble

      Dave, do you have more reflective interactions with the general array of acquaintances in your local milieu or on a site such as this? My own observation is that in real-time, people’s emotions are much more in play, and people “walk on egg shells,” or if they get to contested territory, the subject rises and then passes like a hot potato. A dedicated public official who wants the matter aired might set up a committee and command public meetings to air the matter, but either there is a yelling match, or people state a vacation and run home to watch on public access video. With less public matters, still there is not time, as one passes on the street, to broach a subject, allow for the general reconnaissance to occur, and then come back at it.
      I’m trying to say that it seems to me we can learn a whole lot more about what it means to be human — as individuals alone and as individuals confronting one another — when our sweat and tears are not getting in the way, and we can do that here.
      Whether this has evolutionary ramifications to our species, as touched upon by Tom Ashbrook, is an interesting point. Can we “think” “in chorus”? You suggest we all are sticking to our starting points. But why are we here if we have no intent to adapt our perspectives?

      • Dave in CT

        Good points Ellen, and I do agree that its’ likely that there are alot of open minds around here. Certainly sharp ones.

        If I’m honest, I think I speak differently on these forums, than in the flesh community, obviously because of the anonymity. Selfishly, I like these forums as a means to play devils advocate a bit with myself, benefitting from the minds and experiences of other people, to explore ideas I am interested in.

        In that regard, these forums might be more productive than face to face, as long as they remain civil enough, as we may take more risky positions to put them out for deconstruction, without as much fear of offending.

        OTOH, there is obviously a bit of dishonesty there.

  • Ben

    Hi Tom,

    Amazing program today. I can’t help but be reminded of the father of group psychology durring this discusion. How much has Kurt Lewin’s pinioneering work on group behavior, specifically in regards to ‘Field Theory’ and ‘Group Dynamics’ shaped the authors research?

    • Ben

      A field can be defined as the collective group of forces affecting a group and shaping behavior at the group and individual level. This seems to be precisely what the authors are writing about here, however expanding upon and applying Lewin’s theory to the virtual world of social media.

  • Finhend

    Your guest’s argument has just about as much sense in it as Terry Gross’s “Fresh Air” ad—”We ALL thought our bicycle was cold in the rain, our fish was lonely in a fish bowl, a leaf would be afraid of heights when it fell; it’s just the way we looked at things!” Perhaps, his theories apply in the world of the naive, but please don’t label us all as stupid and helpless.
    Finnbarr Dunphy, Columbia, SC

    • Grady

      Didn’t they have James Fallows on there too from the Atlantic mag.
      Fallows is famous for exaggerating technological impacts in order to steer investments. After 9/11 he guaranteed taxi airlines would be the new big thing. He’s almost always wrong.

  • Joyce

    My husband and I have totally different circles of friends after 42 yrs of marriage and our political views are opposed. How do we manage to continue to stay together after 42 loving years?

    • Grady

      How about dirty chat and sexting.

  • nj

    Here’s a critique of “social media” (granted it doesn’t take into account the special, organizational uses such as in the Egypt uprising) from a blog by Nick Piemonte:

    http://www.justmeans.com/Is-Social-Media-Antithetical-Social-Enterprise-Movement/18709.html

    An excerpt:

    “My rebuke of Facebook, and the social media empire it presides over, extends beyond the company’s dogmatic effort to publicize personal information; an effort which is categorically divergent from the interests of its stakeholders. While unsettling, this is only part of a larger picture. Social media is siphoning the act of social capital creation away from households and communities and transplanting it into the virtual world. Normative behavior and value systems within families and towns become eroded; the building blocks of culture eviscerate.”

    And another of Facebook by Tom Hodgkinson from an article in The Guardian:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook

    excerpt:

    But Thiel [one of the funders of Facebook] is more than just a clever and avaricious capitalist. He is a futurist philosopher and neocon activist. A philosophy graduate from Stanford, in 1998 he co-wrote a book called The Diversity Myth, which is a detailed attack on liberalism and the multiculturalist ideology that dominated Stanford. He claimed that the “multiculture” led to a lessening of individual freedoms. While a student at Stanford, Thiel founded a rightwing journal, still up and running, called The Stanford Review – motto: Fiat Lux (“Let there be light”). Thiel is a member of TheVanguard.Org, an internet-based neoconservative pressure group that was set up to attack MoveOn.org, a liberal pressure group that works on the web. Thiel calls himself “way libertarian”.

    • Dave in CT

      Is he a Neocon or a Libertarian? Two birds.

      • Grady

        Stupid is as stupid does- Forrest Gump.

  • Anonymous

    I forgot to add that I have actually met a number of people who had only been virtual FB friends. And, as the current caller just said, I, too, have become friends with those who believe differently than me, because of other commonalities. I’ve reconnected with long-lost relatives, friends, and even my high school boyfriend!

    Mostly, it’s a place where I’ve learned to express my thoughts in a safe place. I’ve lost some friends, but that is there loss! I know the good I have and can do far outweighs the occasional mistakes.

    • Grady Lee Howard

      It’s easy to lose the bad ones on the Internet, isn’t it Miriam.
      I’d like to try being your buddy. Email: beretco.op@hotmail.com

      • Anonymous

        Which Grady Lee Howard are you?

      • Anonymous

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  • Susan Mullin in Idaho

    My husband was diagnosed with bladder cancer in July. Through the internet site BCAN.org and other sites to which I was referenced, I made contacts all over the country to whom my husband could speak, learned about most effective treatments, best doctors and best hospitals for him to go to. Had he taken the advice of the local urologist for his treatment he most likely would have died in 2 years. Many of us are continuing to be friends on FB. We have only met one of them in person. . .

    • Grady Lee Howard

      Yep, Susan. My friend Jack had one artificial hip and his other one started bothering him. His doctor advised some crazy drilling operation to improve blood flow. It would have most probably led to another factory hip. We hooked him up with a specialist in Canada who told him to exercise and wait. Five years later his hip is OK. Doctors want money and they give bad advice to sell their services. Jack’s drilling doctor told his wife it was caused by Jack’s drinking and that he also needed counseling and AA. Jack is a Baptist teetotaler. The guy never looked at his patient but saw only dollar signs. If not for the Internet he’d be 100% disabled.
      Best of luck to your intelligent husband, and to you.

  • Dave in Thousand Oaks

    I just don’t buy their argument. During the housing mania, I worked in secondary marketing IT for the largest mortgage originator and ALL my acquaintances and ALL their acquaintances were buying overpriced houses. I told them it was a bubble, but could find NOBODY who believed me until I felt as though I were living in Nazi Germany. I sold my two properties in California and rented and was ridiculed daily until I finally quit my job at the mortgage originator. I e-blasted my coworkers with data, data which we all saw daily that pointed to the incredibly obvious meltdown that would eventually bring down the global financial system and they ridiculed me loudly and publicly. I had to go to the blogosphere to find a SINGLE person who could avoid this groupthink. I eventually found a number of blogs and those blogs became my ONLY social contact for some time as I could no longer deal with the deniers of clear reality that surrounded me in daily life. I shorted my former employer and made $50K and now have enough cash to buy a house but will wait until the prices correct another 25%. Most of my friends label me as a nut for doing this.

    I live in a conservative area so am also surrounded by climate change deniers (I will not call them “skeptics” as they are more like Holocaust deniers than “skeptics” which implies some knowledge). I am again feeling this need to go to the net and FIND a social network that is willing to look at and understand data.

    My question is why I am not willing to throw data out the window and go with the herd. Why am I feeling terrified when I see the herd move in ways that I know will destroy the global economy, and ultimately the globe? This sense is not as bad with climate change as I know that it’s basically only 40% of the people in the US who are deniers, and some in Asia and a few religionists. However, the intelligent and educated people in the world are clear on this one. The housing bubble was different though. There was literally NOT ONE PERSON I physically met during the years of the mania who agreed with me (and the data I sent out constantly).

    • Grady

      If what you say is accurate I wish there were many others like you. You are truly an excellent man.

  • Dave in CT

    I keep trying to register with Disqus but it won’t accept my name as beginning with alphanumeric characters. No Dave in CT or Dave Connecticut even, only Dave_in_CT would work, but not seeing those underscores in anyone else’s names…..

    • Ellen Dibble

      My profile had apparently already been entered at another site, and insisted on a certain form of my name, not Ellen Dibble, with the space the way it appears. But it appears as you see, which is how I registered with what was called Team Gather about a decade ago. And that is what shows up, without the location, though OnPoint surely has that info — it turns up in the profile. Hmm.

  • Anonymous

    I finally signed up but I still detest the new format. (The poster formerly known as John without the underscores)

    • Dave in CT

      maybe I’ll go with the underscores as a protest vote

    • http://hubbub.wbur.org/people/aphelps Andrew Phelps

      Hi John, I think you should be able to use whatever “display name” you like, which is different from your user ID. For example, my user ID is “andrewphelps” but my display name is “Andrew Phelps.”

      • Anonymous

        Where do you set display name?

        • Dave in CT

          i think it in you profile, not your user name in account

        • http://andrewphelps.com Andrew Phelps

          John, scroll up to the comments box at the top of this thread. Click the Disqus button at top-right. Click Edit Profile. Then enter your full name (display name). Not the most intuitive process…

  • Dave in CT
  • Dave in CT

    Done

  • Dave in CT

    test

  • Dave in CT

    Hmm. It took out my underscores and “in CT” all by itself. Dave too anonymous….

    • Dave in CT

      ok now the CT back… whatever. Sorry for the test posts!

      • Yar

        Dave, you can go to your dashboard and delete a post, It will replace the name with guest.
        Try that.

        • Dave in CT

          Thanks I think I worked it out in the profile, separate from username. Was checking back too quick.

          Appreciate the help!

  • http://www.dogoodgauge.org The Do Good Gauge

    For the most part On Point’s blogs are civil and somewhat intelligent. On a daily basis the 2 programs draws in a spirited group of individuals with a wider perspective than the program which aired.

    Though there is still something missing. I call it the bottom of the pickle barrel syndrome. Occasionally a blogger will do the research and iteratively develop an articulate well reasoned argument only to see his or her thought dwindle to obscurity.

    Face book is nice, but friends and family are not the best resource to debate social solutions. Though face book offers topic forums, they provide little motivation to scrape the bottom of the pickle barrel.

    Social media lacks the quality control to sieve through the muck of conversation bringing clarity to public solutions. The obscurity of blogs provide little incentive for like thinking individuals to collaborate their thoughts in a manner to make them worthy of higher demographics.

    • Yar

      I like the topic of the hour focus, On Point provides. My hope is that some of the regular posters will join the discussion and take the issue of the day and build on it past the hour of on air dialog. This is already happening to some extent

      I have also thought that some issues might be arranged as a conference call hosted by On Point, and then aired at a later time. Instead of re-airing shows on holidays and such, I see a possibility to use the discussion board as a launch pad for citizen experts, that could serve as guests on the show. Disqus software seems to offer a platform to move the conversations to a higher level. There will always be people who revel in being disruptive in their comments, but they are easy to ignore if most of the conversation is useful.

      • http://www.dogoodgauge.org The Do Good Gauge

        Re-airing to provide a second chance discussion is a good idea. I see the motivation it could acquire in continuing to refine public thought. In the Do Good Gauge thesis I describe two concepts to stimulate social refinement. Connectivity and association. Association is a method of relating concepts of interest providing an avenue to connect social thought. It provides a method of acquiring individuals with a similar point of view. The conservative political model provides a linear path of argumentation. Connectivity is not limited to a line. It can take on many shapes. Argument connectivity can be modeled in a similar fashion that a fullerene describes a carbon nanotube.

        Connectivity is obtained through association. The Do Good Gauge describes how quotations, fallacies, facts, constitutional article sections and amendments, and case law can be assigned a 5 point rating scale to a given argument, where -2 is highly related but counter supporting, 0 not related, and +2 highly related and supportive. Argument connectivity is acquired by linking similar associations with the relevancy score.

        Religion and politics does not need to be polarized. The Do Good Gauge attempts to describe argument on a 180 degree meter. The goal is to prevent stagnation. Instead of migrating to polar opposite points of view the idea is to cultivate reason through non destructive feedback.

        Connectivity gives opportunity to explore alternative paths to a solution and to examine pitfalls in ones argument which leads to collateral damage.

  • ROC

    I am somewhat surprised that this book and the comments are a surprise to so many. Fact – birds of a feather flock together – Fact: people copy each other. Fact: There are only so many things a person can do – we are limited to time and space – including thinking you have discovered something new about human nature.

  • Sandy

    I wish this show had focused less on social media and more on the very interesting topic of social networks. I’m a big fan of On Point, but the producers and host just give too much attention to social media – popular, yes, but we’ve heard it a million times.

  • Betsy

    I’ve often complained that Facebook is a poor substitute for “real” friendships – but the social network is the most important tool we have for political organizing. I got involved organizing with a grassroots protest movement called US Uncut on Saturday and there were around 1,000 “Likes” – today, we’re nearing 7,000. “The revolution will be tweeted, liked, and shared!”

  • Luna Spring01

    I am 13 years old and I used to have a Facebook account but I deactivated it because I don’t follow the crowd. And lots of people I know have like 300 friends and they don’t even know who they are! A girl sent a friend request to some person and the person accepted the request and the girl yelled at her for accepting her friend request! I just don’t get that!

  • Luna Spring01

    I am 13 years old and I used to have a Facebook account but I deactivated it because I don’t follow the crowd. And lots of people I know have like 300 friends and they don’t even know who they are! A girl sent a friend request to some person and the person accepted the request and the girl yelled at her for accepting her friend request! I just don’t get that!

  • Vickels

    I live in a place that has not got enough diversity in it for me, and I have finally found people online who are talking about what I want to talk about, people in OTHER COUNTRIES!!!
    And if I work on those connections, who knows where that will take me?
    Very far away from where I am, I’ll bet.
    This is something that could NOT have happened without the net.

  • Wm. James from Missouri

    The authors on this show used the phrase “ our own private echo chamber” to describe the way we tend to gravitate to people that share our views, thereby blocking out that which we do not wish to hear. I say, “ditto”. However, the speaker didn’t go far enough. He didn’t expand on this concept of “closed mindedness”. Do we not state our opinions, and then walk away with out offering a possible new solutions that might appease and grab the ear of our supposed opponent ?

  • Xborder_dek

    Mr. Christakis and Mr. Fowler present an interesting theory, and I have little doubt that their research and the evidence it has yielded are credible. However, their propositions seem to assume that absolutely EVERYONE is, in the modern sense, “connected”, and has “friends” who have friends who have friends. The ideas have merit and relevance to the 40 or 50 percent of us who have joined up with the whole ‘social networking’ lifestyle. Well, some of us haven’t joined up. Some of us don’t have (and don’t WANT to have) all those supposed “friends”. Even as the sweep of cyber-technology has homogenized the social structures within which so many of us live, the ‘rugged individualist’ can still be found. In my line of work (long haul trucking), mastery of a solitary, self-reliant lifestyle and state of mind is pretty much essential for sanity and survival. I have friends who are there when I need them or have time to spend, but that doesn’t happen often. I have no regular contact with friends or family. I do my own thing, day after day, week after week. Deep solitude. “The more people I meet, the more I like my dog”… I mean not really, but I’m happy not to be a cyber-lemming.
    There is something about the ‘Facebook’ phenomenon that gives me the creeps. The sheer narcissism of it all (especially Twitter) is nauseating – uuuughh! I don’t want to see anyone’s baby pictures or home movies or know what grade of toilet paper they might be wiping themselves with right now, thanks very much…
    There are 330 million people in North America. Some of us, lots of us in fact, are a little different. And thank goodness.

    David Keyes
    Edmonton, AB, Canada (writing from Ripon, CA today…)

    P.S. Tom, you are amazing. The very best at what you do. Your own phrase “I love it” teeters on my frontal lobe as I listen to ‘On Point’ each day. Thank you!

  • B4bigb

    Mr. Christakis and Mr. Fowler:
    You never said “what goes around comes around” when it comes to social-networking!

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