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Remaking India: Stories & Snapshots

A conversation with Indian-American writer and thinker Anand Giridharadas about rising India, old and new.

A young Indian girl looks on with her father, in their village, Kosi, some 180 kilometers from Patna, India, Jan. 24, 2011. (AP)

President Hu Jintao had everyone focused on China last week. And ranks of Americans these days are studying Mandarin and flying off for college years, or business, in Beijing.

But there’s another Asian giant. India is still on its own boom trajectory, with its own story.  It’s a more complicated story than many Americans know.

Behind that call center in Bangalore, or the PhD candidate down the hall, is an ancient, demanding culture that is anything but history.

We have a conversation with Indian-American Anand Giridharadas about rising India, old and new.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests:

Anand Giridharadas, columnist for the International Herald Tribune and the New York Times online and author of “India Calling: An Intimate Portrait of a Nation’s Remaking.”

Here’s an excerpt from “India Calling”:

…I grew up with only a faint idea that another country was also somehow mine. My notion of it was never based on India’s history or traditions, its long civilizational parade; it was a first-generation idea of a place in our shared past, nostalgically shared but blessedly past. It came not through anthems and ritual feasts and the taut emotions of an Independence Day, but through the stories we were told at meals and on holidays and the characters within our extended clan. As I conjured up the country, I squeezed these things for all the juice that they possessed, searched for meaning where it may not have been, deduced from personal history the history of a people. I forged a memory of events I didn’t witness, from times and places I didn’t know.

Reflected from afar, India was late-night phone calls that sparked the fear of a far-off death. It was calling back relatives who could not afford to call us. It was Hindu ceremonies with rice, saffron, and Kit Kat bars arrayed on a silver platter. It was the particular strain of British-public-school-meets-Bombay-boulevard English that my parents spoke, prim and propah. It was the sensible frugality of getting books from the library rather than the bookstore and of cautious restaurant ordering—always one main course less than the number of diners, with the dishes shared communally. It was observing that none of the Indian-Americans around us were professors or poets or lawyers, but rather engineers or doctors or, if particularly rambunctious, economists.

Once every two or three years, we would fly east to India. The country offered a foretaste of itself in New York, in the survivalist pushing and pulling to board an airplane with assigned seats. On the other end of the voyage, coming out of the plane door, the machine-cooled air vanished at our backs, and the hot, dank, subtropical atmosphere drank us in. The lighting went from soft yellow to cheap fluorescent white. I remember the workers waiting in the aerobridge, smaller, meeker, scrawnier than the workers on the other end, laborers with the bodies of ballerinas.

Consumed on these visits east, India was being picked up from the airport by my grandparents in the middle of the night. It was cramming more people into their little Maruti than that car could safely hold. It was cousins who knew how to slide their posteriors forward or backward in the car to make such cramming possible. It was the piping-hot aloo parathas that my grandmother unfailingly cooked for us upon arrival. It was sideways hugs with my female relatives that strove to avoid breast contact. It was the chauvinism of retired uncles who probed my aspirations and asked nothing of my sister’s. It was the ceaseless chatter among the women of making jewelry, making clothes, making dinner. It was the acceptability of reporting toilet success and toilet failure at the breakfast table.

I had the feeling in those days that we, the departed, were doing India a favor by returning. We used to pack our suitcases with gifts of what could not easily be obtained in India, from Johnnie Walker Black Label whiskey to Stilton cheese to Gap khakis. In a young child, this ferrying of goods fed a notion of scarcity in the motherland, casting us as benefactors from a land of abundance. My cousins used to ask me on these December visits if I felt Indian or American, and I remember sensing how much their self-esteem was riding on my answer. With a proudly defiant tone, I always replied “American,” an answer that I knew would hurt them; this was because I felt so, and because I felt that to answer otherwise would be somehow to debase myself, to accept a lower berth in the world.

India felt frozen. It was frozen in poverty, and I sensed, even as a child, that everything was shaped by scarcity: the pushing to get on the airplane, the reluctance of the wealthy to spend the most trivial sums of money, the obsession with lucrative careers and snobbery toward other pursuits. India was frozen in socialist bureaucracy, so that it was advisable to have an uncle working in the ministry if you wanted a phone connection before next year. It was frozen in beliefs: I quickly tired of going to yet another dinner party where yet another retiree would drink one whiskey too many and take me aside to condemn an imperialistic and materialistic America whose foreign policy choices, he seemed to imply, were basically my fault—even though I was ten years old, yawning, and up way past my bedtime. To this day, I cringe every time I hear the words, “Why is your America supporting Pakistan?”

“Yes, uncle,” I feel like saying, “the State Department got the idea from me.”

India was not supposed to feel foreign to me. I looked Indian, was raised by Indian parents, mingled in America with their Indian friends, and grew up devouring Indian food, having rakhi tied on my wrist by my sister, and wearing fresh clothes and lighting candles every Diwali. But in India all this dissipated, as if these ways of being Indian brought me no closer to India itself.

Inevitably, time soothed some of these surface irritations and culture shocks. What endured was a wordless revulsion, deep and inarticulable, at what seemed to be the wastage of human possibility in India. Here was a great civilization of the world, once among the wealthiest and most powerful of nations, and yet, in ways that I was only beginning to grasp, so many were trapped in their boxes: the schoolchildren with brains crammed full of notes, fearful of voicing an opinion in front of their parents; the elders whose doctrines about marriage and childbearing seldom budged, no matter how the world changed; the women to whom few listened, no matter the wisdom of their words. India, in my limited and impressionistic view, seemed a land of replicated lives, where most people grew up to be exactly like their parents—cracking the same jokes, bearing the same prejudices, pursuing vocations not too far afield.

The place seemed to function on low expectations and almost otherworldly powers of acceptance. The dinner party conversations were dull and repetitive and sprinkled with awkward silences; but people accepted. There was only one television channel, beaming tinny and overacted shows that no one with broader choices would ever watch; but people accepted. The poverty—those children with puffed-out bellies and matted hair on the streets, and whose skin color and facial features were jarringly similar to my own—was bloodcurdling; but people, the poor themselves and my well-off relatives, accepted. Women seemed to accept the normalcy of being told that their skin was too dark, that their weight should be increased or decreased, that they should marry this man or that one. People with vegetarian parents seemed to accept that they, too, must be vegetarian. The children of Hindu refugees from what became Pakistan accepted that it was their duty to carry forward their parents’ hatred of Muslims. History was heavy. The old went unquestioned. Resignation choked dreams.

The country that gathered in my mind over the years was contradictory and complex and yet also oversimple: it seemed to be a place kind and decent, generous and sacrificial, repressed and narrow, wretched and hopeless; a land short on dynamism and initiative, long on caution, niggling judgment, subservience, and fear; a land where people didn’t come into their own as they did in America; a land that had ultimately failed to persuade my father, who loved it dearly, to stay.

A wall of wet, smoky night air hit me as I came out of the terminal in Bombay. The orange of the streetlamps’ glow, ripened by smog, told me at once how far I had come. A quarter century had passed since my parents left India, and now I was reentering it to fulfill promptings of my own.

From the Book INDIA CALLING: An Intimate Portrait of a Nation’s Remaking by Anand Giridharadas. Copyright © 2011 by Anand Giridharadas. Reprinted by arrangement with Times Books, an imprint of Henry Holt and Company LLC.

 
  • http://aidindia.org Asmita

    Hi Tom, I look forward to this program! I wonder if you have seen this recent report by the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights – http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=10664&LangID=E , especially in the light of the recent case about Dr. Binayak Sen, a physician and a human rights worker charged for sedition by the central Indian state of Chhattisgarh. Global communities of not only human rights workers, but physicians and nobel laureates and concerned citizens have been protesting against this outrage, including right here in Boston – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfo6JuG09ew

    The “rise” of the wealthy middle class has left the poor and the marginalized, esp. the tribal communities in mineral rich areas, most vulnerable and even more marginalized. I hope some of your conversation will also focus on this and similar human rights situations in India, and not the standard “India shining” and “Superpower” rhetoric that everybody seems to repeat ad infinitum. Simply because India is a democracy, somehow makes international media ignore any human rights abuses. But NPR is not just any media. I hope you will be truly balanced.

  • Ajay Bhatnagar

    Look forward to the show. I hope your guest could address both the positives and negatives of India. In particular, the continual subjugation and dismal human rights record in Kashmir.

  • Mike Conrak

    India remains entrenched in the age-old discrimination based on caste, albeit it might be fading in urban areas.

  • http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-24-2011/anand-giridharadas Yar From Somerset, KY

    Anand Giridharadas said on on the daily show last night that India and China are building a culture of hope while we in the US are tearing each other down.

    Check it out. Click on the link to the Daily Show
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-24-2011/anand-giridharadas

    The left and the right actually need each other.
    What is the state of our union?
    We must shed our political caste system here in America.

  • Siva

    I am afraid that his talk is just another elitist portrayal. Come to our little towns and villages and LIVE with us. You will find the other side of this coin.

    We have televisions, cell phones and what not. But we still pay additional tax (bribe) to get our birth certificate, death certificate, marriage certificate, passport, caste certificate, building permits and even disaster hardship distributions (infinite list). Millions come out of college every year but as substandard assembly line products of “for profit” colleges run by retired politicians.

    What sort of Nation rebuilding is this? I agree that our ancient, demanding culture is history and so are our values and hope.

  • Salma

    How long will the Indian Government continue to side step on human rights violations by it’s armed forces in the State of Kashmir?

  • Vinay Bhat

    Unfortunately India is trying to follow Western model of development. And the other unfortunate part is that there are no democratic processes to follow this mode of development. Capitalism and commodification of the commons is at an extreme. While nationalization is not the answer, taking the resources away from people has only left people further marginalized. Private dyanamism without the people’s interest in mind will only destroy the nation. This is what is being witnessed in India. Private greed is being legitimised at the cost of human rights and people’s rights.

  • Lokesh

    This is a very broad point, but let me illustrate with just one example:
    Indians dont have problem with the concept of Evolution, yet most Indians will not have problem going to a temple (though most dont on every-day basis). Is this lack of intellectual integrity or some sort of a golden midpoint that the West needs to attain?
    Of course- this is an example. Same question applies to dating/arranged marriage, etc.
    Thanks

  • Melli, Nashua, NH

    Regarding the comment by the guest on ‘Romeo and Juliet’ matches being on the rise:

    The criteria for ‘who one loves’ remains the same as it has been for traditional marriages. As Tom said, the skin tone, the caste (or an equivalent in the hierarchy), family status, and so on. Nothing really has changed there.

    The change is v…e…r…y slow, if at all, in terms of breaking down social hierarchies in the marriage process.

  • Sanjib

    Hi,

    I would like to know the author’s opinion about one subject. I am an Indian but have been here in the US for studies and academic research for the past 10 years. Whenever, I go to India, I feel about something strongly, i.e. we still don’t treat people who are financially in the lower rungs of the society with respect. And I am not sure how much of this is changing. I know there is a big influx these days of the educated mass from US who are also very socially conscious and trying to change things. What does the author feel about this? I am just worried about the polarization in the society with this economic boom.

    I live in Somerville, MA.

  • Suresh

    Love your show. I am from India and have lived in both cities and small towns. My dad was in the Forest service in Orissa — giving me an opportunity to live in small towns and then I went to college in Delhi. I was “management trainee” with a nationalized bank in India and not unlike Anand’s Dad, felt I couldn’t get ahead beyond the time-scale set by the bank. I came to the US for my MBA and have been here since 1985.

    Everytime I go back to India, notwithstanding the strides made by the educated elites (educated in English as the medium of instruction) in India, I am really struck by the growing disparity between those in the cities and those in small villages. It seems the lot of the village-poor hasn’t improved since post-colonial times.

    Questions for Anand:
    1) What can be done to bridge the city-village chasm in India?
    2) Is there a role young Indian Americans can play(I have 3 children) to help bridge this gap?

    Thank you!

  • Mary

    KASHMIR — yes, would Mr. Gridharadas address the Kashmir issue?

    COMMONWEALTH GAMES
    What does he think about India’s (fiasco) handling of the Commonwealth Games last year — in which, just a few weeks (days?) before the Games, India still had poor uninhabitable housing, sanitation, facilities for the athletes. . . and in which some athletes/countries pulled out of the Games (or threatened to)?

    Is this fiasco emblematic of the rest of the country? Of the business environment in India?

    What does Mr. Gridharadas think it will take for India to become a (stronger) economic power in the international arena?

    Thanks, Tom Ashbrook and producers.

  • Eli Melis, Salt Lake City

    So according to the speaker, success in India is defined as poor people working in malls? Please stop with the “trickle down economics” argument. It does not fool anyone except the elite!

    • Ashu

      Have you been to India? If you have, & paid attention, you would realize that “poor people working in malls” is (the beginings) of success for thoes people – because it creates opportunties for their childern, that their parents could could not provide them.

  • Ann, Barrington, RI

    No, No, No!

    This BRILLIANT MAN just DISMISSED the entire context of the SLAVE ECONOMY that allowed the Quest for Freedom and Democracy which came with the American Revolution!!!!!

    The slave economy cannot be dismissed anymore than the Caste System of India can be!

  • Lor Pamer, from Somerville

    Question: Please: is the great spiritual dimension in India going to survive modernization?
    I’m afraid that the scientific materialism of the West could compromise Spirit that lives in the hearts of a majority of the Indian people. And this would be a tragedy.
    Thank you.

  • Parul Taneja

    The utopian dream that the author speaks of about freedom of soul and a sense of self for Indians, transcends the country. I have lived in the US for over a decade and I find inummerable people struggle with that sense of self here as well. Heirarchy and socio -economic stratification of society and exploitation of the weak have been historically universal and remain same even today. Only the garb is different. It exists here but it is subtle.

    The discussion reminded me of Tagore’s poem
    Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high;
    Where knowledge is free;
    Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow
    domestic walls;
    Where words come out from the depth of truth;
    Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection;
    Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the
    dreary desert sand of dead habit;
    Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever-widening thought
    and action–
    Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.
    – Rabindranath Tagore

  • Mita Bhansali

    This is really a very shallow assessment of Indian society. The whys and hows of the ways Indian people got to be impoverished, repressed and constrained in every way under colonial rule gets swept under the rug. Nobody seems to care that present recovery is a sure sign that the British miscreants have left. In any case, it is ridiculous to want to turn India into the U.S. just because you happen to have been born there!!!

  • http://victorials.wordpress.com Victoria

    As great as it is that people have opportunities to move out of their enforced situations, I do not think that the Free Market thing is working long term for America, and it’ll only be a matter of time for India and China if they go this route.
    I hope India doesn’t give it all up just for profit.

  • Venkat

    Just listened to the show online from India. As usual, I thoroughly enjoyed one more episode of On Point. I am one of those Indians who returned back a couple of years ago after spending considerable amount of time in the US. So, I could identify from both sides.

    Anand singles out education as a hope for future. I had a very interesting experience three years ago, which supports the optimism that Anand expressed. I was on a 3000 km road trip across some of the most backward areas of India. Every single village, town and city that we passed through had children either going to or coming from schools (without exception). This was indeed heartwarming and left me with an enormous amount of hope and belief that we might be able to pull through. However, the sorry state of public delivery systems, especially healthcare, and the blatant disregard to individual rights protection make me wonder where we might end up.

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