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2010 Grads on the Job Chase

The class of 2010 is picking up its diplomas. But jobs are scarce. Our new grads roundtable looks at the market and survival strategies.

Ryan Brown of Deptford, N.J., and other seniors wait in anticipation for President Barack Obama to address the graduates of Hampton University, Sunday, May 9, 2010. (AP)

We’re in graduation days for the Class of 2010. 1.6 million bright-faced young men and women getting undergraduate degrees, college diplomas, across the country.

And the job market? Brutal. It was brutal last year, of course. Now it’s brutal stacked on brutal. 19.6 percent unemployment for Americans under 25. The highest since 1948.

Just one in four new college grads who applied for a job has one. Twenty five percent. And many have applied for scores of jobs.

This Hour, On Point: we talk to the Class of 2010 about the job hunt – and survival strategies in the economy of 2010.

Guests:

Kristin Parris is graduating magna cum laude from Howard University, where she majored in business administration. For the last three summers she’s held internships at Pricewaterhouse Coopers and McGraw-Hill. She hopes to find a position in human resources. She is 22 years old. Here’s her resume.

Shauna Nuckles is graduating from the University of Washington, where she majored in journalism in minored in international and diversity studies. She has held several internships, including this spring at the Seattle Times where she wrote an op-ed titled, “A graduating college senior faces a dire job market and chooses optimism.” She is 22 years old. Here’s her resume.

(NOTE: Contact On Point producer Julie Diop, jdiop at wbur.bu.edu, if you have a job opportunity you’d like forwarded to Kristen or Shauna.)

Vadim Leonov graduated this spring from Duke University with a bachelor’s in economics. He will be starting work in August at a large investment bank as an analyst.

Alexandra Levit is a syndicated columnist for the Wall Street Journal. She is author of “They Don’t Teach Corporate in College: A Twenty-Something’s Guide to the Business World,” “How’d you Score that Gig?: A career adventure from Alexandra Levit,” and “New Job, New You: A Guide to Reinventing Yourself in a Bright New Career.”

Closing Segment:

Courtesy of CNN.com

As part of our continuing series during graduation season, we broadcast another excerpt from a commencement address. Emmy Award-winning journalist and CNN news anchor Anderson Cooper has covered major events around the globe in Iraq, Afghanistan, and along the U.S. Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina. On Saturday, he spoke to the graduates of Tulane University in New Orleans about what he had learned from his years as a foreign correspondent, and now as a host of his own show, “Anderson Cooper 360.” You can read the transcript and see the whole address.

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  • Roxanne Theimer

    Do you have any advice for a mid-life career-changer about to graduate? I’m 47, and I went back to school to switch careers from IT to Health Care. I had worked in computer tech support for nearly 20 years. But with so many jobs in that field being sent overseas, I decided to make a change to a something that can’t be outsourced. Soon after graduation, I will take my certification and licensing exams, and will be on the hunt for a job. Will anyone want to hire a middle-aged entry-level respiratory therapist?

  • http://www.filipinoboston.blogspot.com AKILEZ

    As a Reimbursement Specialist. I get the calls from other companies that are looking for my kind of experiences in the medical field. getting money from health insurances.

    I don’t have to look for a Job the job is looking for me. Not to be arrogant it is true.

    If you are a newly graduate I recommend to be in Medical Field in the field of Finance,Customer relations,Medical staff,risk management,pain management Food service etc.

    I would advise not to be in the Financial World. Skip the Greed.

  • informed American

    Things aren’t going to get any better for college graduates or the country until Obama is voted out of office.

  • Mr. Trees

    I cannot express in words the groan that I let out over your comment American. What absolute garbage. I don’t usually chime in on the political front, but you sir seriously need to get a grip.

  • Alex

    Mr. Trees – ignore.

  • Chris B

    Don’t blame Obama. Blame the craze for globalization and outsourcing of jobs to foreign countries, which predates this administration by many years. It was going to make everything better and cheaper for all of us, remember?

    “Twenty years o’ schoolin’ and they put ya on the day shift.” Ol’ Bob was right on the money, there.

    Just commit yourself to being the best burger flipper you can be.

  • http://www.filipinobosont.blogspot.com AKILEZ

    Roxanne Theimer you made a great move to change your career. middle age or not. Age does not matter in the Medical Field. I guarantee that to you lots of jobs out there for that field just choose the one that you are comfortable with salary wise get a home health agencies job that pays higher than Hospitals

  • JP

    Joe, aka “informed American, will make plenty more posts today under many made up proper names, as well as “bush’s fault.”

    They will all make the same three or four assertions about Obama and/or the Dems, claiming that all of the problems Bush and the Republicans created are actually Obama’s and the Dem’s fault… despite the fact that all of these woes were well under way when the Dems, and then Obama took office.

  • informed American

    Didn’t Obama promise that his 787 billion dollar stimulus bill would keep unemployment below 8%? Unemployment is now at 9.9%. I guess Obama was using that “new math”.

  • Natalie

    Here’s my advice for this year’s college grads: go for a government job, a federal government job. As exemplified by the incredibly insensitive and pretentious display by Obama and his wife at the state dinner for the Mexican leader, the federal government is completely out-of-touch with reality on main street. High and rising unemployment, high and rising foreclosures, high and rising personal bankruptcies, and on and on; and this President acts like he’s got money to burn. Pathetic!

  • JP

    See?

  • Ted

    Roxanne Theimer – Be prepared to move anywhere in the country that will offer you a good chance of a job or a job offer. Travel light..sell off the junk, rent the smallest apartment you can find, stay debt free for the next 4-6 years before you even consider buying anything major on credit. Be prepared to get fired even after you have been working in the job for a few years. Remember the age matters..they will fire you quickly to hire someone younger who can work cheaper or longer hours. If you can, stay away from the higher cost of living areas, CA, NYC, WA DC, etc..stay away from small one company towns..here today, gone tomorrow…when those 20 million illegals get their papers in a few years we will be swamped with cheap LEGAL labor….you will be a target…Good luck!

  • Alex

    Here is something informative on the subject of voting people in and out of office.

    http://www.prosebeforehos.com/government_employee/05/19/remember-the-legacy-of-george-bush/

  • JP

    Joe’s logic?

    The economic and jobs problem turned out to be far worse than anyone thought it could possibly be when Obama took office

    … so all of the problems Bush and the Republicans created are now Obama’s fault, since he underestimated the scope of the devastation Republicans left in their wake.

  • Janet

    I’m surprised at the high number of liberal arts majors we still see graduating from college.

  • Sandy

    stay on topic, please!
    we need to encourage college/university students to study in the demand areas–rigor pays out. my son’s 2010 graduating class of computer engineers is 85% employed. and may ofo those not accepting employment have been offered a job, but are choosing to stay in school for an advanced degree.
    we need high school/college advisors doing a better job of helping students choose.

  • K

    Well, join temp agencies and keep submitting resumes elsewhere at the same time. I mean, if -I- can get a job that way…
    This sounds pretty whiney.

  • http://ibelieveinbutter.wordpress.com Soli

    Is it just me or does every time there is a downturn in the economy, there seems to be a perception it’s never happened before? When I graduated college in 2001, we were in another low point (right before “that day” too). I worked retail part time, very part time, for almost six months, and managed to stumble my way into a library job. Still there, eight years later, and halfway through my MLS degree.

    Best advice: expand the fields in which you search. My major was one of those grand liberal arts one, Asian Studies. Never did anything with it post-graduation.
    I typed that right before the comment was made about searching outside the box.

  • Alex

    “I’m surprised at the high number of liberal arts majors we still see graduating from college.”

    It really is surprising. Especially considering the sticker price of those degrees. You know, perhaps America should take a page from the European system. For instance, no college and separate law school for 7 years total. Just one integrated program for 4-5 years and you are done with a professional degree. And something needs to be done about the cost.

  • Andrew

    Recent graduates should strongly consider starting a business of their own. It is a great time in their lives to take a chance.

    For Sandy and Janet:

    From a well-employed software engineer, I think that liberal arts is where it is at. Most anyone who is a recent graduate does not know enough to really be productive in a job – they are going to have to learn the job on the job. They need to have the breadth of experience and desire to learn that comes from reading and thinking about math, science, literature, politics, etc.

    Hot jobs change all the time. Flexible individuals stand the best chance at being able to adapt to the opportunities available.

    P.S. – Getting that first job is the hardest. One resume from a recent grad looks about like all the others.

  • Derek

    If I could offer some advice for Shauna, consider moving to Washington, DC if you’re still looking for a job in journalism. A member of the class of ’08, I spent two years reporting in New Hampshire and have since moved down to DC in pursuit of my journalism career. There are still lots of jobs in DC.

  • Mary

    I graduated from law school two years ago and am still looking for employment. I exhausted my law school’s job resources department and my own network and had several jobs lined up that fell victim to budget cuts and restructuring.

    I’m currently working as a nanny (which is actually much more fun than being an attorney), but hoping I’ll be able to use my degree in a legal/policy capacity soon.

    Good luck grads–networking is key.

  • Mike

    I am a 2007 grad with a BA in History which is highly useless but I loved it. I went back to school to get a teaching certificate and am struggling to find work in schools where baby boomers still dominate. We have thousands of teachers who can’t or wont retire who are drawing the top level salaries in public schools. For what we are paying these educators you could hire two younger teachers. I just have to wait for people to retire before I’ll probably find full time work.

    My advice to the grads of 2010 is get any job you can to pay the bills. Utilize the contacts you have in the industries or businesses you want to get into. Stay in touch with your friends from college and high school. Even friends of family members can be helpful in finding opening and getting your foot in the door. If you are unemployed than full time job is finding work.

  • JP

    Liberal Arts education has always provided American workers with the creativity and non-linear thinking that has historically placed American business prominently above the rest of the world.

    … America is losing that edge (the creative and innovative spirit) thanks to “no child left behind” and the de-emphasis of liberal arts in universities and colleges.

    All of the emphasis is now on math and reading and writing basics. This provides the fundamentals needed to serve corporate America, which was the intention of Bush and the Republicans, but it will ultimately rob American business of its once prominent place in the world.

    We need the creativity and innovative spirit that a well-rounded education provides American workers… that comes from emphasizing the liberal arts, as well as the sciences and business.

  • E Travis

    Let’s not forget about the possibilities of contracting work. It may not provide benefits but it can be a great foot in the door for new grads.

    Also, find a headhunter or two you really like and develop a longer term professional connection to them. You may need them in the future and as they get to know you better they can be very helpful in opening doors. Network…network….network

    Lastly, join a trade association in your chosen area of interest and volunteer there. Get to know the people with jobs and network through them to uncover opportunities

  • Paul

    Tom, On Point is the best show on the radio.

  • making me sick

    Kristen, who said working at Best Buy wasn’t part of her plan, sounds like the stereotype of the privileged, snobby, naive youth. It sounds like she also has a free vacation with her folks coming as well. Gee, life doesn’t sound too rough for her. Tom, your staff got the wrong student for the show. Get someone who actually needs a job. That person’s experience would be more interesting.

  • Alex

    “I graduated from law school two years ago and am still looking for employment.”

    Mary – one word: LL.M. Get it in tax or corporate or bankruptcy. I had a big trouble finding my first law job after law school so I went out and got an LL.M. in bankruptcy law. It took me some time to get a job after that, too, but when I got it I never looked back. I have clerked for a bankruptcy judge and now I am working for a big Wall Street law firm.

  • Ellen Dibble

    Tom Friedman (Hot, Flat, and Crowded) was talking on Charlie Rose about the challenge of making this country productive without gas-guzzling. He mentioned four careers, starting with entertainer and ending with negotiator. He is trying to envision an economy of a new order.
    The mind-numbing jobs that seem the default for graduates in all eras are in many ways destructive, no matter how interesting they may look decades later in “My Most Ridiculous Job.” You go home exhausted and totally unfulfilled. What to do with your last bit of energy? To listen to Tom Friedman, I’d take a course in Mediation/Arbitration, which in my area you can find lasting several full Saturdays and some evenings, for $500, with some financial aid. Then there are “opportunities” for forever. Schools need help. Courts need help. Etc. One more skill to have in hand.

  • Thomas

    For what its worth,

    For years, or decades, some parts of the country have been suffering from the ‘brain drain’ where young people leave the area in droves due to a real or perceived lack of opportunity. As one of the few people from my high school graduating class who has chosen to remain in one of these places and pursue higher education I’ve find opportunities in a place where people my age believe they do not exist.

    So I do have a tip for new college grads. Places suffering from the brain drain might not be the most exciting areas, but many of the businesses and organizations in the area have a very difficult time finding qualified young talent. In addition to that, many of these organizations have senior positions filled with people on the cusp of retirement. Over the next few years regions that once seemed devoid of opportunity will open up in a way they have not before.

  • Anne

    The student guests on the show today are coming across as entitled, demanding, and whiny. I graduated magna cum laude from a very good college in 1995. I sent out close to 200 resumes–both to job openings and to any company in my area that remotely was in my field. I was interested in a job, an internship, an unpaid internship–anything to get a foot in the door. I went on more than 40 interviews before getting a job. I worked at it as if it were a full-time job. These students seem to be living up to today’s stereotype of lazy, entitled kids. Disappointing.

  • Nick

    Disappointed that the business sector is the only focus of this discussion: there are myriad career opportunities besides business, but it obviously depends on whether accumulating financial “security” is the #1 priority.

    At age 21-22, these newly minted graduates ought to enter the service industry — catering, restaurants, cafes, hotels, etc — to learn service, humility, teamwork.

  • informed American

    The federal goverment is still hiring, like the 16,000+ I.R.S. agents that have been recently hired to enforce Obamacare.

  • Ann

    ADVICE FOR ON AIR:

    Please tell these splendid young adults:

    CONSIDER GOING TO A COMMUNITY COLLEGE for either a certificate program OR a two-year Associates degree, on TOP of your four-year degree.

    You will NOT be able to get any scholarship money, because those funds are reserved for people WITHOUT undergraduate degrees, but still, the cost is fabulously reasonable; the skills and knowledge taught are usually done so without drawing things out; the teachers sometimes have business/job connections within the IMMEDIATE community!

    Living with your parents is NOT a bad thing; excess pride is (tho it doesn’t always come down to that).

  • Amanda

    Get these spoiled children off the air!

  • Lisa

    As an English professor who supervises the department’s senior interns, I have noticed that those students who are willing to reach out to alums, especially, have had good luck with securing contacts, if not actual jobs. Most jobs are not posted, so networking is key.

    And follow your heart and passion–I agree 100% with the caller who made that comment. If you do, you will find a path, a vocation, even though that vocation might not seem obvious when you begin your search.

    And finally, if you’re early 20′s…relax…spend some time traveling and doing all those fun things you can’t do once you settle down with mortgage and maybe kids!

  • Disgusted 29 year old

    A journalism graduate whose response to “What do you love?” requires a long empty pause and then “…I’ve always loved Fashion”.

    ?!

    These student guests are obnoxious. Journalism is a fad degree, in similar vein to Psychology. None of these privileged guests seem to have a grasp on the wider world around them.

  • John

    Keep in mind that there are a lot of very experienced people (15+ years in a lot of cases) competing for even low level career jobs right now (due to layoffs over the last few years with this economic downturn). I just went through a year and a half of searching for a job and I am in that category (15+ years experience in my field).

    With this much competition for even low level positions, wanting to avoid non-career jobs (retail, etc) initially may not be realistic for the new grad.

  • Mary Beth

    These young adults will be the next “Greatest Generation”

  • http://www.mpf.com Jennifer

    I’d like to let Shauna know that McNeely Pigott & Fox Public Relations in Nashville is accepting applications for entry-level positions. We are the largest PR firm in Tennessee and one of the largest independent firms in the Southest. Please visit http://www.mpf.com for more information.

  • http://frenchculture.org Kyerion Printup

    Tom, I taught English in France after college and it was the best decision I’ve made. Moreover, that has been the conversation of every interview I’ve had since coming back. It’s a great experience and a great conversation starter as well. Go to http://www.frenchculture.org and look for Assistants in France under the education tab. It even pays!

    Kye

  • ron taylor

    As a former journalist of 25 years, I recommend all young aspiring journalist look to small daily, alternative and weekly papers. First you get more experience, and 2nd some of the best large paper writers honed their skills in the small markets.

    As the father of a recent graduate, and one who works with the unemployed, I feel for anyone looking for work today. I would suggest working nights so you can job search during the day.

  • Mike

    I’m glad these top of the class, no debt wunderkinds can’t find jobs. These two have probably had most everything handed to them and it’s about time they get slapped in the face with the real world.

  • Judy Susak

    Interesting conversation on recent graduates, and even more interesting that someone finally mentioned the Peace Corps. My question is, does the government waive repayment of student loans for the period a graduate is in such service?

  • Adam

    I got lucky. During the summer of 2008, between my sophamore and junior years, I worked on a state senate campain that led to a full time at the law firm that I will be returning to after law school. My employer was a major contributor to the campaign I was working on and noticed my work ethic and skills.

  • Steve

    I own a small event planning company in the Northeast. We are always looking for young energetic sales and planning personnel. The two guests on thus show would not be good hires fore. If I’m considering 20-somethings, I know I’m not hiring experience…I’m hiring youth, energy and new ideas.

    The guests convey none of that. They are coming across as sadsack, poor me types. They are given an extremely rare opportunity to advertise themselves on a national platform and instead of looking at this as an advertisement/interview, they are taking the opportunity to whine. If this is how they come across as an employee or interviewee, there is no surprise they are having such a bad experience.

    Steve

  • Jeremy Baker

    In the fishing industry, beat the docks every day, talk politely with folks, talk with people in stores around town, and when the opportunity appears, and you are around, work will appear and a job will be found.

  • http://www.filipinoboston.blogspot.com AKILEZ

    It is nice to have a degree in America.

    I am a college graduate from the Philippines and my first Job was flipping burgers at McDonald’s Wakefield, Massachusetts in 1993. I quit that job and got a job in New England Medical Center as Medical courier delivering In Vitro Fertilization (IVF) specimens to labd and clinics and part time at Bell Atlantic as a file clerk.

    Made $15,000 a year in 1993, I was very proud of myself without any help from my Parents.

    College Graduate remember Bill Gates don’t have a College Degree and not only Bill but tons of people out there Didn’t even have a College degrees are Millionares or should I say Billionare. Don’t waste time to have a Degree that you really don’t need and pay for it for the rest of your lives.

    Find your Niche is key to survive in the land of milk and Honey. GOOD LUCK!!!

  • Ellen Dibble

    Last May there was a program with recent graduates on the same subject, and the forum came up with the same ideas. Mainly the guests were accused of being pampered and entitled, “whiny,” I believe. And I believe the forum finally presented the idea of Peace Corps service, the sort of year of service that the new Obama administration, as I recall, was promoting.
    I keep wondering if colleges are keeping up with the new requirements in employment. Are we educating for the last era, the era of Corporate America? Are people desperate for the security of a labor union umbrella or well ensconced business? Apparently colleges gear people for that.
    I’d say a college, 2-year or 4-year, has succeeded if the graduates are hungry to learn more, not glad to be rid of the deadlines, requirements, standards, but desperate to use their own, to let their own minds select what to learn and where to find it. You’ll eventually find a place if you’re eager that way.
    I suspect if someone really needs help, they’ll be glad to give you a chance to let them train you. Watch for the need.

  • J Baker

    Steve,
    It would be two faced of sorts if the guests did not sincerely talk about their experiences, but rather used the show to advertise themselves.
    It would be precise and more accurate to actually interview these guests before prejudging their character and personality.

  • Sara Stewart

    I agree with the comment about Community College. These programs frequently include required internships with local businesses; those then often lead to offers upon graduation. Good Community Colleges see career counseling and work readiness as integral parts of their mission.

    And Tom, it’s pronounced “Pis-CAT-uh-way’.

  • Janet

    I think China is graduating close to 100,000 engineering majors per year. The era of liberal arts majors has long since passed and it’s time to move back towards the more difficult degrees in engineering or science.

  • JP

    Again,

    Liberal Arts education has always provided American workers with the creativity and non-linear thinking that has historically placed American business prominently above the rest of the world.

    … America is losing that edge (the creative and innovative spirit) thanks to “no child left behind” and the de-emphasis of liberal arts in universities and colleges.

    All of the emphasis is now on math and reading and writing basics. This provides the fundamentals needed to serve corporate America, which was the intention of Bush and the Republicans, but it will ultimately rob American business of its once prominent place in the world.

    We need the creativity and innovative spirit that a well-rounded education provides American workers… that comes from emphasizing the liberal arts, as well as the sciences and business.

    The Liberal Arts are also, obviously, what is needed to be able to intelligently criticize government and the status quo, as Joe’s lackluster posts well exemplify.

  • Janet

    The liberals arts era was ok when the USA was very strong economically. The Asian countries don’t produce nearly as many liberals arts majors we do and they have very strong economies.

  • Wilson

    The former CEO of GE, Jack Welch, also noted a lack of college graduates in the sciences over the last 40 years.

  • JP

    The Asian countries largely depend on using or stealing American technology or business models… they would still be nowhere had it not been for Corporate America using the American economy and capital to fuel an Asian expansion.

    This was extremely short-sighted, as they were banking on Asians starting to spend like Americans.

    Corporate America stupidly and unwittingly killed its “Golden Goose” when it abandoned America for Asia, as Asian societies have always had a storng ethic of thrift, and will never spend as recklessly as Americans.

    In addition, the resources simply don’t exist on this planet any more to ever build the knid of retail and services infrastructure in, say China, that have long existed in America (e.g.-shopping malls, convenience stores on every corner, anything one might possibly need or want available to almost any neighborhood, etc…)

    This is the kind of non-linear thinking I’m talking about…

    Corporate America’s CEOs of recent years lacked the broad-mindedness to understand what they were giving up when they abandoned the U.S. for Asia… they thought they could create another America abroad, with 4 times the population.

    If they had a little broader education in, say geography, cultural geography, cultural anthropology, Asian studies and/or language, history, etc.., then they would have realized the mistakes they were making.

    Now, we’re all doomed due to their ignorance, short-sightedness, and inability to think in a broad-minded, non-linear fashion.

  • AKILEZ

    Achilles’ Top Ten Jobs in America.

    1. Nurse/CNA/LPN/Nurse’s Assistant
    2. Therapist
    3. Dentist
    4. Automotive Technician
    5. Plumber
    6. Electrician
    7. Medical Biller
    8. Radiologist
    9. Medical Assistant
    10. Enterpreneur

  • Janet

    One hundred years ago England and Europe were complaining how the USA was stealing their ideas and copying their products. Asian companies CEO’s usually have engineering background and many many years in the factory, or sales. Very few have MBA’s or liberal arts backgrounds. They are more of the ‘in the trenches” type of leaders. Which, now we can see is a much better CEO. American CEO’s got tired of fighting with the union, local,state and federal governments demands for higher wages or taxes. So they fled to Asia which welcomed the jobs and transfer of wealth. I think American CEO’s now look at the mess of liberalism and they will close what few remaining factories, R&D centers and move them to former Eastern European countries or Asia. Americans don’t seem to mind the influx of foreign products and the government has put in place very free, but one sided trade policies.

  • Alex

    “American CEO’s got tired of fighting with the union, local,state and federal governments demands for higher wages or taxes.”

    Poor American CEO’s. They got so tired of making 500 times more than an average worker.

  • Janet

    The average cost of a UAW guy is 70 dollars per hour. The average waitress makes 8.50 centers per hour including tips. Why should the UAW guy make ten times what a waitress makes?

  • CHRIS M

    Really Janet? Tsk-tsk those rotten unions trying to keep Big Business honest and ethical, what were we thinking!!!! It can’t be done.

    I think American Corporations moved over the border or overseas to supply our American appetites for cheap, crappy throw-away products,avoid ethical work-environment and employment standards, and most of all, larger profits for themselves. They have out-sourced the manufacturing jobs that were the lifeblood of the middle class and China is growing by leaps & bounds on our backs.

    Guess what, now the Chinese factories are raising their prices and we are going to have to come to terms that prices for just about everything is going up up up!!! What goes around comes around, eventually manfacturing will make it back to the US, but not before a majority of the population have no jobs and will take any pay just to have a job.

  • JP

    100 years ago, Henry Ford (IN AMERICA) had already invented the assembly line… Edison and his Menlo Park facility had accumulated more patents than any other single business interest in history (IN AMERICA)… the telephone (AMERICA)… the world’s largest and most advanced textiles industry (AMERICA)… the world’s largest steel industry (AMERICA)… and on and on and on…

    ALL HAD ALREADY HAPPENED A HUNDRED YEARS OR MORE AGO!!!!

    Obviously, you also might have benefited from a Liberal Arts education.

  • Ellen Dibble

    Achilles:
    Helen of Troy’s list of best occupations:
    Medical assistant
    Dentist
    Massage therapist
    Physical therapist
    Acupuncturist
    Chiropractor
    Psychotherapist
    Pharmacist
    Last but not least:
    Being a sick health-care consumer on the dole

  • JP

    Gee! 70 dollars/hr… and in today’s economy of compromised auto sales, weakened unions, low wages, etc… and on average, no less!!!

    Want to try backing that up with a fact from somewhere (other than Glen Beck’s website)?

  • Matt from CA

    As a graduate of the class of 2009, I spent the past year looking for employment. It wasn’t until just last week that an employer hired me on through a county work program that uses stimulus money to place people in entry level positions. The pay is a third of what I could make, but at least its something.

  • JP

    Average UAW Pay: $28, Not $70

    During Government Bailout Talks, Wages of Auto Workers Are Exaggerated:

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1234921/average_uaw_pay_28_not_70.html

    MORE LIES AND PROPAGANDA FROM THE RIGHT, FROM CONSERVATIVES HERE AT THE ON POINT WEB FORUM!!!

  • Janet

    Does that 28 dollars include their medical, retirement cost too?

  • AKILEZ

    LOL!!! Nice Ellen Dibble.

    Janet is right but the hourly rate was that high before they laid off a lot of them. For exchange for early retirement and severence pay.

    I saw that salary on ABC prime time news last year. I was even shocked to see how much GM assembly workers got paid. After assemblying a GM car that will not even last for a year.

  • Janet
  • Janet

    Chris- Oh yes…the honest unions were there to keep the evil companies and their greedy shareholders honest…too bad they fell into that “me first” mind set..and now…alas, they are gone…UAW, United Rubber Workers, Steel Workers, Airlines, etc..etc…etc..if unions are so great…why do most people shun them?…any luck getting unions into those Japanese car factories located here?..naw…why is that?…I guess it’s that American mindset of “who needs some greedy union boss to ruin my job”.

  • JP

    THE HERITAGE ORGANIZATION???!!!!

    I ASKED YOU FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN GLEN BECK, AND YOU COME UP WITH THE HERITAGE ORGANIZATION?!!!!!

    Read the article I posted… benefits add 10 dollars an hour to the 28 =38/hr.

    … and that’s before they renegotiated starting salaries down to 12 dollars/hr.

    The heritage Organization is the worst kind of conservative hack organization that exists… probably where the lie started in the first place!

  • AKILEZ

    Here’s one good explanation from a Boston Examiner

    The wage that’s been bandied about most regularly is $73 per hour. That does seem like a lot. But, the truth is, it’s not even close to that. From Felix Salmon:

    The average GM assembly-line worker makes about $28 per hour in wages, and I can assure you that GM is not paying $42 an hour in health insurance and pension plan contributions. Rather, the $70 per hour figure (or $73 an hour, or whatever) is a ridiculous number obtained by adding up GM’s total labor, health, and pension costs, and then dividing by the total number of hours worked. In other words, it includes all the healthcare and retirement costs of retired workers.

  • Janet
  • JP

    … of ALL RETIRED WORKERS AND CURRENT WORKERS, Akilez.

    They take all benefits paid for current and retired and divide it by the number of current workers

    … That’s as dishonest as it gets.

    BTW, I liked your website.

  • JP

    … of ALL RETIRED WORKERS AND CURRENT WORKERS, Akilez.

    They take all benefits paid for current and retired and divide it by the number of current workers to get to the 70/hr figure

    … That’s as dishonest as it gets.

    BTW, I liked your website.

  • JP

    … it’s the same kind of math Janet (Joe) used above to figure that 70 is somehow ten times 8.5

    … its eight times, “Janet.”

  • JP

    … exaggeration and lies to try and win a point, know matter how false the point is in the first place.

  • Janet

    JP – Took you a while to do the math huh?…

  • JP

    yeah, right… I’ve been turning your past posts over in my head for hours, they’re so thought provoking.

  • Janet

    JP – Hey..where is the links for that low cost UAW labor?..I’m still waiting…28 dollars an hour?..that’s cheaper than Toyota….

  • JP

    Typical of conservatives who know they can’t win an argument by sticking to the truth… facts just aren’t in their favor.

  • JP

    …see above, 12:42 p.m.

  • Janet

    JP – Typical liberal….all talk..no facts….if the UAW was so cheap why are they closing all those US factories…

  • Janet

    Ha!!…source is the UAW.or and daily kos!!..oh boy…those are some really valid sources!!!…hahahahahahahahhahz

  • JP

    Haven’t looked at who’s doing best in car sales lately, have you?

    … its a good thing Obama had the foresight to save U.S. car makers… we’d otherwise have wasted a perfectly good industry that provides Americans with jobs… and they will soon be our ticket to competitive EVs.

  • Janet

    Oh yes…obama made one big mistake..he tossed the shareholders under the bus…what’s going to happen to GM when that gov. check does not roll in?….u think GM is going to survive on the gov. check forever?….at the end of the day..GM makes a second rate product…the UAW is a second rate work force…eventually economics will crush both of them….

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  • JP

    What govt. check would that be, brainiac?

    GM is paying back the original bailout, not taking more.

  • Janet

    Didn’t the press reveal that GM just swapped one gov. pile of money for another? They owe, what 50 billion dollars?

  • Janet

    It does not bother you that obama wiped out the GM shareholders…lots of retired GM workers, old ladies, etc..that held that stock for generations…wiped out..just to bail out the UAW?…that does not bother your liberal sense of “being fair?”.

  • JP

    Here’s the gist on GM, from the Motley Fool… hardly a “liberal” source for info:

    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/04/21/general-motors-still-owes-you.aspx

  • JP

    What kind of conservative hypocrisy is this?

    Are you saying the government should bailout shareholders everywhere?

    … the bank shareholders, auto, investment firms (Goldman), insurance companies (AIG), etc…

    … or would you prefer that the Govt. both let GM go down AND investors lose all their money.

    Obama did the right thing… he saved a company worth saving, and in the process kept the investors from losing everything… and Americans held on to more jobs.

    The govt. now has a 60% stake in a healthy company, and they’ve been paid back nearly 7 billion… that means they’ve recouped OUR bailout money.

    Now, thanks to Obama, America still has a competitive Auto industry… one that now has achance to start responding to the changing times, since it didn’t disappear entirely.

  • Patrick

    Truly intelligent people fix their own problems. 2010 graduates should be focusing on skills that made them great students. Getting a ‘job’ with company is not going to fix their problems. They need to be thinking about using their skills to create new jobs, new services, new products, and bring new business to life. If they’re not thinking outside the box, they’re not in the game.

  • AKILEZ

    Thanks JP (Jamaica Plain?)

    Bret Martin, California is actually Hiring? Interesting.
    Cheers to you too. I’ll have a Sam Adams.

  • Alex

    “Oh yes…obama made one big mistake..he tossed the shareholders under the bus”

    Shareholders are the last in line when the company is insolent, by law. That’s perfectly reasonable. If the company was forced into liquidation they would have been canceled anyway.

  • Alex

    “insolvent” that is, not “insolent”.

  • CHRIS M

    Hey “Janet”, why don’t you ask the families of those dead mine workers how they feel about Massey mines being non-unionized.

    Unions keep Corporations from treating their workers like expendable trash. Unions also help keep non-union job pay scales higher, because most Corporations don’t like their workers to have any barganing power.

  • jeffe

    Janet, for someone who claims to be a “good” American who wants “their country back” I would have thought supporting industry in the country was a good idea.

    I find it interesting how in some conservative circles being a Union member is like being in the communist party.
    Collective bargaining has been part of the American experience since the Founders tried it in the mid 18th century. They failed and we went to war with the English.

    People like you are funny and not in a good way. You hide behind some false sense of patriotism and yet begrudge hard working Americans good jobs that pay a living wage.

  • Todd

    ““insolvent” that is, not “insolent”.”
    Posted by Alex

    Either are correct. ;)

  • Rb

    I had to stop listening to this program as I just didn’t care about these college grads. When I graduated college almost 20 years ago, I cleaned houses and did a whole bunch of jobs I didn’t want to do in order to keep afloat.

    Get out of your dream world. People have gotten so focused on the whole “career” thing that they forgot we actually need people to work and do real jobs. Most of the jobs that need to be done also don’t require a college degree and most jobs won’t use all of your knowledge you acquired from your education. The truth is, most jobs are kind of mundane and mind numbing. Work is work and that’s why you get paid for it. If it was fun, you wouldn’t be paid.

  • Janet

    Jeffe – So an American is only a good American if he supports unions. But what if you don’t belong to a union? What if you can’t even get into a union unless you “know somebody” or in the case of the UAW -”you have to be related to a current member”? Is this your idea of being a loyal American? Where were those “loyal American UAW” workers when my American made Pontiac Trans Am died after 55 miles? Don’t you think you should get beyond the union hype and realize that they were only concerned with their welfare and not anyone else? The only good jobs are union jobs? Where did you learn that? What are you afraid of? Where was that union with GM’s market share went from 60 percent forty years ago to 25 percent? Did they push GM to export more cars? Did they go on strike to improve quality? I don’t remember those strikes..did I miss something? Why did obama give 10 billion dollars of GM to the UAW and took it from the shareholders? Many of whom were former GM workers? Is that being a good American?

  • Janet

    Hey Chris why don’t you ask the family members of the coal miners that died why the government officials did not shut down that mine? Did big government fail?..again….

  • Alex

    Janet – come on. You really don’t think that the management and shareholders are responsible for the GM’s downfall? Fine. It is a matter of opinion. My opinion is they lost the competition to the Japanese and Koreans in the product war.

    The reason unions received a $10 billion share is because they were a major creditor. GM owed the pension funds $20 billion, but then unions took a hit and only got $10. This, by the way, underscores the necessity for the government funded benefits so that companies could be more competitive on the international market. In fact, I am surprised Amercian businesses are not out there lobbying for the public health care and pension systems

  • Janet

    Alex – Shareholders last in line?…bondholders too?…I don’t think….and the UAW is in front of the shareholders?..not by law…maybe by this new “obama law”….

  • jeffe

    No Janet an American is a good American who supports the idea of this country needs to succeed. Unions are part of that equation. I never said what you are alluding too.
    It’s great how you like to twist whatever anyone says into a your narrow mindset.

    You blame the Unions for bad design and flaws that had nothing to do with the line workers. That was management.
    You seem to like to dump on the working class, as if they are the problem. This is a typical Republican tactic based on false rhetoric.

    My contention is for this country to succeed we all should have decent jobs and not live in fear of management or downsizing to appease wall street.

  • Janet

    JP – So taking money from the shareholders and giving it to the UAW..that’s legal?…the share holders did lose their money…gone..the bondholders got less than what they were legally entitled too…and how does obama and congress justify giving 10 billion to the UAW…where does that figure?..that was pure political payback…and they paid us back with 7 billion dollars from TARP…it was not a net gain to us….

  • Alex

    Shareholders are last in line because they are the ones with the economic interest in the company. When the company goes bankrupt they are wiped out. That’s been in the bankruptcy code forever.

    Bondholders are not the same. Bondholders are creditors and not equity. The problem with being a bondholder is that they are unsecured and get what’s left over after the secured and priority creditors.

    What went on in the GM case was a little out of the ordinary in its treatment of bondholders, but they are unsecured and probably would have received nothing in the event of a liquidation. That’s why the bankruptcy court approved the deal. The court was involved at every stage.

  • Richard

    As a mid 20′s dude, holy chow I really dislike the term “millenials”. Stop, stop, stop doing that.

    Otherwise great show, dudes.

  • jeffe

    Also while we are at how about some real decent health care and not that nonsense just passed by congress.

  • Janet

    Alex – UAW was not a major creditor..they stood to get nothing…there were legally entitled to nothing if GM went bankrupt…it was part of the 50 billion dollar bailout…pure corruption….the bondholders, stockholders took the hit…

    We already have a public retirement plan – Social Security..and a public medical plan..- Medicare..both of which are broke….

  • Richard

    Okay whoah, sorry, gotta make a second comment. That lady talking about teaching ESL abroad?

    I think you should do a show on teaching English in Korea, and the dangers foreigners face.

    I taught ESL in Korea, and over the course of my time there my boss sexually assaulted me, cut me with a knife, stole my bank savings, and said, to my face after cutting me, “you are my slave, and will do as I say.”

    Many of my peers had equally terrible experiences.

    No. No, no, no; ESL can be rewarding for some people, but DO NOT recommend it full-out. It’s been years since I was in Korea and I still have nightmares about it.

  • Alex

    “We already have a public retirement plan – Social Security..and a public medical plan..- Medicare..both of which are broke….”

    They are broke because the government keeps diverting dedicated funds to other purposes. Both programs are paid for by separate taxes. In addition, Republicans put the foot down and prohibited the government from negotiating more favorable terms when paying for the prescription drugs. The protectionism does not help either. Could have bought medications in Canada much cheaper.

  • John

    I don’t feel sorry for the GM stock holders. The company didn’t fail overnight. It was hardly a surprise.

  • Alex

    I am not going to argue that the bail out was the right thing to do in principle. But basically the going concern value has been preserved, which was a much better outcome for the company and the country economically than liquidation. Eventually, it will go public and sell its shares. Bondholders got their 10% which is a normal outcome for unsecured creditors.

    Besides, they are investors. They had invested into the company’s debt. No one held a gun to their heads. The company went bust. Happens everyday.

  • CHRIS M

    Hey Janet, maybe you should ask Massey why they fight and tie up Mine Deficiency Fines cases in court for as long as possible in order to keep the mines open and taking time away from Mine Inspectors to make sure the mines are safe. “Delay by Litigation” helps to keep the mines running when they should be shut down and puts workers in danger.

  • Janet

    President Johnson was the first one to take money from Social Security…and said Medicare would only cost a few billion…apparently it did not work out that well….

    The drug plan for seniors was Bush’s idea…very bad idea…Bill Gates gets a discount for his drugs..totally a financial disaster…

    Worse thing about seniors is they don’t want to give up anything…Medicare should only pay for major medical…should have a 3000 dollar limit before it kicks in…should not pay for electric scooters etc…totally out of control….

  • Janet

    Chris – You mean to tell me…obama and his democratic administration is going to let one company keep them from shutting down an unsafe mine?…yeah….right..obama shut down GM..fired the CEO…gave ten billion to the UAW at the blink of an eye…and he would not take on these guys?…maybe some money changing hands up there?….

  • Janet

    Alex – I don’t see how anyone can justify the government taking part of the company and giving it to the unions..no way that is legal or morally right…sure the investors know that going in..investing has risk..but you can’t change the rules in the middle of the game…do you think anyone will invest in the new GM if it’s legal for the next president to do the same?…or any company?..is this not a threat to our entire economic system?..sort of like a 3rd world country…

  • Alex

    What Henry Ford realized a long time ago is that in order for him to sell his cars and make profit people must have disposable incomes. That’s what makes this economy tick, right? Consumer spending. If you force everyone to spend all their money on health care this country will go broke faster than I can say “bailout.”

    People must have disposable incomes. By the way, there was great South Park episode about it. I think it was called Margaritaville.

  • CHRIS M

    Yeah Janet it couldn’t possibly be that the Bush administration loaded govt agencies with shills for big Corporate interests who turned a blind eye to what was going on. No, that couldn’t possibly be it.

    I guess Obama should have fired everyone who was hired by Bush & Co and maybe problems like this wouldn’t have happened.

  • Alex

    Janet – I see your point. The time will tell. I certainly remember when my old country (USSR) went broke and fell apart the Western economic minds and purse holders told us to downsize, layoff, cut costs, and under no circumstances bailout companies that were not economically viable. But when the crisis hit home, the West started bailing out in order to avoid downsizing and massive layoffs.

  • Janet

    Chris – Nancy Pelosi has been in charge for the last four years. Career civil servants did nothing to shut down the mine because they did not care. You can blame Bush all you want, but at the end of the day..obama has been there for more than a year and could have shut down the mines..he failed…people died…

  • CHRIS M

    Nancy Pelosi has been in Speaker of the House of Representatives, Not the Mine Safety Commission. I hope you are listening to the news right now about Massey trying to place blame on anyone other than themselves.

  • twenty-niner

    “From a well-employed software engineer, I think that liberal arts is where it is at.”

    From a self-employed engineer, I couldn’t disagree more. I keep reading how the liberal arts teaches one to think “outside the box” – horrible cliché. Here are a few outside-the-box topics a student has the opportunity to master in a good technical program:

    Differential equations, Laplace transforms, convolution integration, linear algebra, theoretical and applied dynamics, Maxwell’s equations, special and general relativity, quantum mechanics, the law of entropy, the list goes on – all theories and ideas from the most brilliant minds this planet has ever seen.

    In essence, you get to peel back the onion layers and start to understand how this complex universe in which we live really works. You also get the foundation required to be truly creative – to actually envision something in your mind and then go off and build it, a uniquely-satisfying skill.

    To the high school students out there, strongly consider getting a degree in math, a physical science, or engineering. The world has enough bankers, lawyers, government workers, and Eloy sitting around eating fruit. The challenges of the coming century can only be overcome with hard science and real innovation (i.e. not subprime loans).

  • Janet

    Chris – Yes..Nancy is the Speaker..a very powerful person..a very liberal pro working class person…what has she done about mine safety?…does she even know where coal comes from?…nope..she failed…she passed a very important bill about protecting a mouse in San Francisco…she could care less about a coal miner…Government failed…they have been deeply involved with mine safety for decades..and wham!…so just shut them down..does not bother me….but I’m tired of seeing my taxes go to over paid government workers who won’t get from behind their desks and do their jobs…

  • Roberto

    Liberal Arts: is an “education” not a “degree” and teaches one to think/analyze/adapt; not everyone is cut out for this path, but it is a fabulous foundation for any career. It is also over-priced for most so consider good ol’ state U for a better deal. Work the faculty and alumni relationships hard and it will provide you a handsome ROI!

    Community Colleges: great idea — and fin/aid AND merit $$ (that’s right, MERIT $$!) for transfers after earning Associates Degree, as Massachusetts attempts to boost 4 yr degree stats.

    Networking: key to success; for expanding one’s horizons, learning skills, and employment opps you won’t find on Monster.com. You gotta work ‘em tho and cannot stay home and play video games or watch the bube tube…

    Unions: appropriate in certain places/times, but there has been considerable calcification and abuse in many. In the case of mines, clearly fear of losing jobs and collusion/ineptitude of Gov inspectors resulted in recent disaster (I won’t please everyone but frankly, the same degree of disaster occurred on Wall St, thanks to poor regulation, bond/credit rating orgs and Masters of the Universe like Lloyd Blankenship (can it be the same sir name as the Massey owner?!) et al; the most established of families have lost homes and retirement but those without nesteggs lost much more (many of whom do not have a Liberal Arts education…)

  • Bush’s fault

    Any degree in so-called liberal arts is never an assured path to work. Matter of fact, we hand out those BA’s like food samples at BJ’s.

    Most of our go-to-college system is driven by tenured academics and government workers selling the lie that a college education is necessary for success of any kind. That’s the big lie designed to keep dollars flowing to second rate students, teachers, and schools and keeping students indebted to the self serving ed system for decades.

    Way too many people are convinced to go to college when an honest system would advise them to take up a trade. After all, what’s wrong with a smart mechanic or plumber, or cabinet maker earning five to six figures if they’re good?

  • Connie Gager

    The Sociology student, Jason, on gets it!! Many students with parents who have connection are not unemployed if they desire to work. Especially in an economic recession, it is “who you know, not what you know.”

    Professor Connie Gager
    Montclair State University

    (a sociologist!)

  • Deena

    join the peace corps!

  • twenty-niner

    Or the war corps!

    “Obama starts massive US Air-Sea-Marine build-up opposite Iran”

    http://www.debka.com/article/8794/

  • jeff

    Has either of these young women considered national service? The military is an excellent entry level management job for a recent college graduate. Human resources and public affairs are a good match with current Army needs.

  • Al Allington

    I am a career counselor that has done placement for 30 years. I most often have worked with the disabled, the downsized, the injured at work and the graduating special ed kids. Always with success and few ever bitched about the pay or benefits because I got them the best I could.

    Radio programs like this do a real diservice and don’t really help those college kids that need the help. These radio shows give you an excuse to whine and fail. Want some suggestions:
    1) Forget internet applications..well, almost, apply then go in and speak with the HR person, or the manager, or anyone that will talk with you-take a real resume and hand it to them. Networking is much more productive then an internet search! The internet search is only one of many ways to search. Take a “job Club” class.
    2) Forget about making the dream dollars yours prof told you could expect. If companies paid that much the prof would not be teaching and he has experience you don’t. High school and college counselor generally promise wages about 2 times what you should expect to start at.
    3) Be realistic. What can you really do. Did you do internships in college? What your counselor won’t say to you..Did you work part time or volunteer in a degree related job during college? Why not?
    4) A job is not like college! On a job you actually must make the employer a profit every day you are there!
    5) Go to O’Net and put in the name of the job you want and look at all the related possibilities. Study them, look at the wages, the job duties and more related jobs.

    Now you are ready to begin searching. Networking is the most productive way to find a good job. Learn how to do it and do it well. Good luck.

  • A McMurtry

    One of the major issues about recent grads is an almost utter lack of communication skills. “Ummm”, “Like”, “You know?” and also the tendency for rising vocal intonation (mostly with females) to make every statement sound like a question.

    As someone who is responsible for hiring at a major institution, when there are spelling errors or slang included on a resume (cv), they are automatically out, whether they are qualified or not. In phone interviews, if the potential employee sounds like they just rolled off “Jersey Shore” they are also automatically out.

    Pop culture is fine, slang is fine; however, in the business and professional environment, it simply is not acceptable. Perhaps some of the interviewees on this program have not had the interview results they wish because they perhaps sound a bit inarticulate.

  • Stephanie

    I feel that tonight’s presentation is horribly misleading.

    How did they manage to find two guests that have little to no college debt?

    I am from Michigan, which we all know is having a horrible time in the recession.

    I will be graduating with a K-12 certification in art education in December. By the time I am done, I will have accumulated $40-50k in debt. Not because of bad spending choices, but because my family never foresaw their children going to college. Without their support, I had to supplement financial aid (that included federal loans) with private loans. Sallie Mae is the only loan provider that will lend to someone who does not have a cosigner. However, the catch is a 14.25% variable rate.

    The economic crisis in Michigan is really affecting the schools here, most of which are cutting art programs out of their curriculum. Because of this, there are few jobs available to us graduating in the art education field. Students who graduated last year either moved out of state or did not find a job. Students who graduated this year have not found jobs, have not even found jobs to apply for, or have decided to pack up and move. When I graduate in December, I will be competing with all those past graduates for work.

    Some of us help each other out. Others poach jobs or pad resumes.

    But one thing we all know is that at this point, we have to keep our minds open to going wherever a job may take us.

  • Roberto

    Stephanie, that is a hard situation; arts, language, even libraries are feeling brunt of econ. cutbacks. Two things, tho: adapt your skills to commercial opps? Volunteer or work cut-rate to gain experience at non-profits to gain good experience (and which might yield a deferment on loans?)

    Second, as diff. as it seems, you have to think positively and keep plugging. Even if you’re competing with May ’10 grads in Dec ’10, you are still ahead of the May ’11 ones, right? Nose to the grindstone, network the heck out of school and private contacts, and keep pushing. Worse case, consider another city/region in Detroit that bad. Wishing you luck!

  • jeffe

    Stephanie I feel for you. You should read today’s NY Times on how hard it’s going to be for you to find a job.
    Art? You poor kid. How talked you into this?
    $40-50k in debt at 14% interest! This is a perfect example of what is wrong with our system.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/20/nyregion/20teachers.html?hpw

  • jeffe

    Al Allington great advice except try getting pass security without an appointment. Please, get real. I just applied for a bunch of adjunct teaching positions and you could only do it online. If I should up at the school they would call security. You can’t just show up and give people your resume.

    I also hear that some companies are only looking at people who use Twitter.

  • Jacob

    Stephanie – Actually, there are some good chances for you to start a small business on the side. Are you any good with the different art programs? If so, do some graphic art work freelance…advertise on craigslist

  • http://www.ciclismoclassico.com/ Andrew Conway

    I’m the managing director at CICLISMO CLASSICO, the bike touring company where caller Andrew works. We’re very lucky to have him. I hired him a year ago, favoring his passion and college work experience over seasoned sales pros. I’d encourage any new grads looking for work to take his approach – do what you love and you can’t go wrong.

  • Jon R. Kibler

    The problem is not a shortage of jobs. Rather, the problem is a shortage of majors in jobs in high demand.

    I work in information security. There is an enormous shortage of people to fill those positions. A recent Bloomberg news article estimated that there will be a need for an additional 60,000 IT security workers in just the next 3 years. There is already a shortage of at least 5,000 qualified professionals in a field that currently employees only about 25,000.

    To put the problem into deeper perspective, it is estimated that only 12,000 to 14,000 students graduated with computer science or computer engineering degrees this past year. Very few had any training in computer security, not less a specialty in it. So, even if everyone studying computer science went into security, we would only meet about half the NEW need for workers in this area.

    Plus, the demand for computer science graduates is huge, too. The top silicon valley firms announced in February that they would hire at least 10,500 new college graduates this spring, with most being computer science of computer engineering majors. There is already a shortage in high-tech of skilled workers, and a growing economy is only going to make the problem far worse.

    And this does not even begin to address the critical shortage in areas such as engineering (especially at the PhD level), nursing, medical, and other technology fields.

    Bottom Line: There would not be a shortage of jobs for new college graduates if they went into the high-demand, high-paying, technology-oriented fields in which there are a dearth of skilled workers. Choosing an easy major with the intent of having fun in college does nothing to prepare one for real world employment!

    Jon R. Kibler
    Chief Technical Officer
    Advanced Systems Engineering Technology

  • http://www.sudoyle.com Su Doyle

    I hear the same job hunting advice again and again. But in tough times, it pays to be contrarian.

    That means doing things that others don’t want to do, like SALES.

    Every company needs salespeople, and hiring them carries little risk, since new sales hires are paid on commission and will sink or swim.

    Starting in sales means you’ll understand your company’s customers better than anyone. And you’ll quickly build credibility, expertise, and a tough outer skin.

    Most CEOs started in sales.

    I wanted to be a Marketing VP when I grew up (and I have been, at several companies). But I started in sales because 1. I graduated during a recession, and jobs were scarce 2. all the highly competitive “marketing” jobs at the time were glorified admin assistant gigs.

    Being in sales (and then product mgt and operations), enabled me to start my marketing career with meatier assignments and a broader skill set.

  • CAL alum

    This segment was so misleading about the plight of a recent grad! What about students who incur debt AND going home is not an option due to a low income and/or abusive situation? Unpaid internships, traveling, and retail-type jobs simply do not pay the bills, especially when one is trying to apply to professional school (i.e. medical school, which costs roughly $5,000-$10,000 JUST to apply). Many recent grads are not represented by the entitled attitudes of the guests on this show.

  • Lettuce5

    I graduated with a B.S. in Sociology Dec. 2007 and this May 2010 I graduated with a Master’s degree in Public Admin./Policy Analysis. When I graduated with the B.S. in 2007 and the recession was being adamantly denied, I saw it was clear and present danger, so prior to my graduation in 2007 I applied for Graduate school and also applied for scholarships.

    It was the best decision I have ever made because I prepared myself for what I knew was going to be a difficult job hunt. However, I did get experience with low paying jobs early 2007, I suffered with being on-call, nights and weekends as a crisis intervention counselor. All this preparation paid off. In addition, the summer of 2008 I took a temp. Position as a community organizer which gave me experience as well. In September of 2008 I was offered 5 interviews, three jobs in the middle of a recession. I also tailored each resume to the description of the job I was applying for. My strategy and perseverance worked. I picked one job, which I am still employed with and the experience and job has been great. This is what I did, it may work for you! L.M.

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