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Gardening for life. Wise pros on how to plant without getting lost in the weeds. Plus, Meryl Streep to the class of 2010.

A backyard garden in Long Beach, Calif. (AP)

It’s planting time in the garden — a time of seed and hoe, root ball and water can. 

We shape our gardens, and our gardens shape us. These days, more Americans are planting vegetable patches to put extra food on the table. 

But gardens, broadly defined, live on a longer scale, too. The perennials that may pre-date the kids; the lilac that’s grown out of control. 

Some years we have plenty of time and space and energy to be in the dirt, and loving it.  Some years we don’t. 

This Hour, On Point: gardening for life, and gardens as mirrors of our lives. We dig in. Plus, we listen to Meryl Streep addressing the class of 2010.

Guests:

Sydney Eddison, author of “Gardening for a Lifetime: How to Garden Wiser as You Grow Older.” You can read an excerpt.

Elizabeth Licata , editor of Buffalo Spree magazine. She writes for the blog Garden Rant.” She’s also an organizer of Garden Walk Buffalo, a collection of 300 home gardens open for free tours.

Closing Segment:

In our continuing college graduation season series, we listen to another excerpt from a 2010 commencement address. On Monday, actress Meryl Streep addressed the 600 graduates of Barnard College, the women’s college in New York affiliated with Columbia University. Streep talked about being “an expert in pretending to be an expert.” You can watch her full address:

 
  • CHRIS M

    Gardening makes me feel alive – helping things to grow to either eat or enjoy it’s beauty is a soul affirming activity.

  • http://---- Jean Krasnow

    If you are a city dwellers who wishes to garden to create beautiful, public green spaces for all you can volunteer with COGdesign (Community Outreach Group for Landscape Design).Talented landscape designers work pro bono with neighborhood groups who have spaces in their neighborhoods that need to be reclaimed. By restoring spaces we build gardens and in the process help create stronger communities. We are always looking for volunteers. Please visit the website at http://www.cogdesign.org and see over 90 projects completed over the last ten years.

  • http://grownaway.blogspot.com Fred

    I’ve been loving my experiences as a first time veggie gardener at the Fenway Victory Gardens here in Boston. It has been a lot of work but i’ve enjoyed every second.
    You can track my progress at my blog. http://grownaway.blogspot.com

  • cathie keenan

    As a social worker and gardener, I’ve found a way to combine the two. I’m a volunteer with COGDesign. A non-profit that designs gardens in under-served areas in the city and beyond. Build a beautiful garden and people will come. Keep it beautiful, and people will help. Gardens foster pleasure and peace. A great way to build community.

  • gloria from Vermont

    We own about 2/3 of an acre and have adopted the policy of less lawn more flora and food since we bought this house 20 years ago. I grew up on a small vegetable/fruit farm and have carried this tradition over to my married life. We attract so many species of birds to our shrubs, flowers and trees. The butterflies flourish here and I get such a thrill heading to my gardens to pick my food. I see so many people with these huge lawns, 1, 2, 3 acres or more and I think how better served the environment would be if they planted wildflowers and trees and expanded gardens and in many cases, simply started one. We went organic about 15 years ago and I am happy to see that this is catching on. So for anyone who thinks they don’t have enough space to do this, think again. The less land one owns the more efficient you have to be about usage. Gardening is one of the greatest joys in my life.

  • Jennifer

    Hi Tom,

    Could you ask your guest what advice she’d give someone who wants to start a garden (flower or vegetable) but has no idea how to do so? What resources are available to learn how to get started (and which are not too complicated)?

  • Susie Wells

    I find gardening both theraputic and rewarding. It is a meditative exercise. Meditative..experiencing the smell of the soil, the care of the plants, the tolerance of the insects.. and rewarding because you can immediately see what you have acomplished, and look forward to what will come as the plants prosper. Gardening makes me happy!!

  • Philip

    For all that your guest loves her garden, it seems like the relationship is a bit adversarial. I hear “It’s just too much” and “I can’t keep up” an awful lot.
    I love my garden, but the best way to garden is to work WITH the natural tendencies of your plants, rather than against them. You can’t “keep up” with nature if you’re working against it.

  • http://npr Rebecca

    I so understand Sydney’s feeling about her garden. Our garden is my solace and daily therapy. I don’t need to visit a therapist, entering our meadow and garden each day keeps our moral and ethical compass in the right direction in such a complicated world. Our family tends our 12 acre garden ourselves and we love every moment of it.

  • theresa

    i would love to hear your thoughts on forest gardens. i have several acres of heavy mixed pine and hardwood forest and would love to work with a portion of it harmoniously.

  • Amanda

    I am an obsessive gardener who loves everything about the way plants grow, my biggest problem is that I want to have every kind of plant in my possesion, even if I don’t have the proper growing requirements! Garden centers throw me into a frenzy and before I know it I’m trying to grow full sun perennials in my part shade garden… I know it’s wrong, but I can’t help it. Is this something that can be cured? Does it need to be? I feel guilty after an impulse buy as I do after eating that second peice of chocolate cake….

  • Wanda

    3 comments – Weeding gives one a great sense of POWER!! I decide who lives and dies in my own little sphere! I am continually in awe of the clever way that weeds grow right next to a valued plant and immitate its appearance in order to sneak by, which happens all too often. Lastly, a person’s garden is an accurate reflection of one’s personality! My garden clearly illustrates that I am NOT at all anal, I am slightly ADD, and I am in fact quite merciful in what I allow to live in my garden!

  • http://www.aguystudio.com Allan Guy

    Garden with History!

    I treasure the absolutely things that are native to my native Virginia, that happen to also be historic. I grow a very few ephemeral Twin-Leaf Jeffersonias…small, shamrock type plants that bloom once a year and were named after Thomas jefferson, the avid gardener and “sage of Monitcello. In all the world, this plant only grows in the Virginia piedmont.

    Also, I have two paw-paw trees. These produce “mountain bananas,” edible pear-like fruit containing for all the world a soft custard. The paw-paw is the only member of it’s species on this continent and is native to only the mid-Atlantic region. It literally fed early mountain men AND Lewis and Clarke as they crossed over to the Ohio.

    So…a few special plants can bring rich palimpsest…simple things are good.

  • Cynthia Goodhue

    Gardening is history, love, science, art. I don’t cut down the half-eaten viburnum because a beloved family dog chewed it. I have the Jurassic Park-like lilacs that I don’t trim ’cause a mother-in-law gave these as “sticks” 12 years ago as my house-warming gift. Every Mother’s Day gift. An established gardener gardens for free by dividing and trading. Peace and curiosity satiated by frequent observations. Cool bugs. The work of gardening keeps me fit.

  • Julia

    For Elizabeth Licata:
    What kind of aggressive ground covers?

  • Beth

    Gardening is very much like aging cheese and raising children.

  • Marie Duval

    Back to the Garden. No surprise in these days of woe on Wall Street and Main Street. Retreat from the street. Gardening harkens back to the beginnings of self knowledge. “Morning has broken, like the first morning, blackbird has spoken, like the first bird. Praise with elation. Praise for the morning. God’s recreation of the new day.” Each day, as we grow older and can take on less in terms of moving and shifting plants, on bended knee to honor the earth and its bounty, we see our garden lush with memories. Be the angel with the flaming sword, acknowledging the human’s sense of our own mortality. Only the garden offers hope, the resurrection of life, each spring. The Gardener awaits our return. See the poem by Czeslaw Milosz, “Gardener.”

  • Liz Swanson

    I have a 30′ x 30′ vegetable garden. Nothing makes me happier than in August when everything is ripening, the garden is cleaned up, bees, dragonflies, birds, an occasional leopard frog & garter snake keep me company. I look around and feel truly at peace.

    Even in the dead of winter, I know this August moment will come, right as rain. Patience is something you learn as a gardener.

    Stamford, CT
    The Farm at Big Yellow

  • Tracy

    i livein a relatively dense suburban environment and I have managed to get permission from several of my neighbors to plant perennial gardens on some parts of their yards. They really brighten up the neighborhood.

    Im also proud of growing my own trees and propating a lot of plants.

  • Larry Shine

    I am 58, been gardening 40 years since I was 18 and borrowed a back yard in Brooklyn to teach myself veggie gardening while I lived in a 6th floor apt.
    Now I am in the 6th home since, near New Haven, where I have had to start over each time to get good vegetables.
    I may have left plant problems behind, but I have encountered and handled many from my predecessors as well.
    I have not had the chance to enjoy the grapes, asparagus or fruits I had planted at past homes for long term enjoyment, but they are a legacy I hope the new owners can enjoy.
    What keeps me going is the quality and difference of taste in what I grow versus the imported industrialized foods in the market.

  • zyg plater

    Just a quick note — if you have too many daylilies? … My father taught me that sauteed daylily blossoms are DELICIOUS if you sizzle them in butter with a bit of salt & pepper. Try it. it may give you a use for dozens of dayliies…

  • Julie

    I have been gardening where ever I have lived. When I had an attic apartment I had pots of herbs and veggies and flowers on the little deck next to the door. Now we have just less than an acre, and I’m adding to our vegetable beds. I gardened with my Dad, and my husband with his mother. My five year-old just asked if he could have his own spot to plant things, and I am so pleased! Gardening may not be genetic, but I do think it’s contagious.

  • Jeanne

    Boston has a wonderful non profit that my daughter works for called The Food Project. Their mission is bringing sustainable agriculture to inner city families. Besides giving elementary school kids a taste of gardening at their community gardens located throughout Boston, she works with teens selling the produce they grow at local farmers markets. In addition, the Food Project helps set up gardens for people in their backyard to allow people grow their own affordable fresh food. Gardeners of all abilities can check out the Food Project website for great planting information.

  • http://web.mac.com/famouspotatoes2 Desirée Foard

    I’m a south Florida gardener and yes, it has gotten away from me from time to time. Down here that means rampant over-growth in a matter of a month or two!!!

    I’m now simplifying and like Sydney, going to shrubs and small flowering trees. All the texture, loads of flowers and much less hands-on. I still have a small herb garden and in the winter months a small vegetable garden. I had a koi pond in my old yard but not this time around. In south Florida creating shade is a must but you can start with a relatively small tree knowing it will only take a year or 2 to see results.

    Life is good!!

  • Andrew Magee

    Hi Tom
    As a landscape architect, an avid gardener, and massive grower of vegetables I reckon that you do not know a plant until you have bought, and planted it and then watched it about three times over….then the light bulb goos off and you “know the plant”.
    Good job, and go compost!
    Andrew.

  • Andrew Magee

    and watched it die…. I meant to say.

  • Patricia VonOhlen

    I love the gardening show and agree that gardens/gardening are/is healthy for people.
    But, please mention the importance of using the least amount of synthetic chemicals possible. I love gardens but I also love rivers and streams…… we have huge storm water run-off problems that take chemicals and other pollutants straight into our waterway. Garden please do, …..but please take good care to minimize use of synthetic chemicals!

  • MMS

    My wife and I bought our first house 6 years ago – new construction with compacted clay soil from all the truck traffic. I spent 3 years and thousands of dollars trying to make grass grow along a 3000 square foot area that barely gets 6 hours of sun a day. Other areas I’ve planted various plants, herbs, perennials, trees, flowers, etc. I’ve enjoyed every minute of it but now with our 2 year old boy every cent and second have been made worthwhile when I watch him run around the lawn, and smell the herbs and mint. My compost has finally matured and the soil is good enough that I plan to plant vegetables with him. The garden through the eyes of a child is priceless and I hope he grows to enjoy gardening, the outdoors, and respect for nature.

  • laura

    I completely understand the love and passion of gardening. I pinched a nerve in my back last year, and as much as my physical therapist told me to not garden, I couldn’t help it; so we had to work out how I could still garden without further injuring my back. Even in the deepest pain, I couldn’t remove my hands from the dirt.

    I whole-heartedly agree with the philosophy of plant it to see if it grows and not worry about the soil acidity or sun requirements. I tend to be fearless when gardening – if I weren’t, it would no longer be fun.

    I do mourn the loss of most of my flowers that do not make it. Although, I am more upset when they fall into the tracks of my husband’s four-wheeler or my digging dog.

    The only thing is that I am hopeless with vegetable gardens – I find that I cannot keep up with the watering and rabbits.

    I have a full-shade garden in the corner of my yard that is slowly becoming populated and I absolutely love it. After realizing I couldn’t grow grass, it just made sense to grow flowers. It is one of my favorite retreats.

  • Valerie Baca

    Regarding the English reluctance to use the word “Yard” While living in the U.K. several years ago I was frequently admonished for using “yard” instead of garden, as “yard” denoted the compost-y scrubby parts.

    When a British friend visted us in the Midwest in summer (and following in a garden walk) she was appalled that we had such a small variety of plants (“everything is gernaniums and impatiens”) until she realized that we actually had WINTER here! We had a serious discussion as to whether gardening was harder in the Midwest vs. UK (friendhsip remained intact, however)

  • Louanne

    Tom,

    I have a 600 sq foot community garden. I have gardened with my children since they were newborns, they are now 10, 7 and 3. We have incorporated lots of kid friendly components to the garden like bean teepees and cucumber archways where they can play. They like to grow brightly colored vegetables and then eat them too. Gardening with my children has been a terrific way to educate them about food, nature and how sometimes in life, bugs will eat your plants, but you can always grow more. thanks for the terrific show!

    Louanne from Connecticut

  • http://stoneagetechie.blogspot.com Karen

    Regarding liking bugs – as a preschool teacher I used to host a “field trip for bugs,” I would dig up a patch of dirt from my home garden and bring it into school along with gloves, little shovels, etc. and tell the children in my class that these bugs’ parents let them come into school on a field trip so that the kids could ‘meet’ them… the kids got so much out of it, those who might have been scared were not when the idea of getting to know them was presented this way.
    It even changed my perspective and I find I am not too scared of crawly things now.

    Great show!

  • Megan O.

    How do you learn about splitting plants? What gets split, when, etc.? We just moved into a home with a beautiful perennial garden and want to do it justice!

    I love decorative plants like pansies and daylilies that can be eaten in salads. Do you have other suggestions like these?

    Happy to be back in the garden!

  • Susie

    Right now I am in the 2nd year of establishing a garden which covers about 1/3 of my side yard. I am still moving plants in, but also allowing some of the volunteers (weeds, wildflowers)to add to the mix. Eventually I will only weed out the grass and keep the wildflowers from being invasive, so that the mix of wild and cultivated plants combines and continues.
    And every time I plant anything, I tell it that I will give it the care/location it needs, but it is responsible for thriving…and it can be replaced for under $5.

  • http://traciesmart.com Tracie Smart

    Gardening is the only thing I can think of that actually gives me energy(!). Of-course I am not talking about farming. But working in the garden with my hands in the soil, (the earth!) weeding, raking, planting, all of it — it revives me every time. I do not use power tools nor am I any kind of garden expert but rather I feel I am just following the nature of whatever the space and filling in the wild where it had been depleted. For anyone who might worry they do not have a green thumb, DON’T! Just get out in your yard –or someone else’s, and begin!
    Thank you for this morning’s show.

  • Jeremy Baker

    Great topic.

    I have had moderate success growing a garden on my small porch using plant containers, but if I missed even one day of watering some plants began to wither and a few died. Harvest included tomatoes, basil, carrots, dill, and lettuce.

    A community garden is a good way to get started, especially for people who lack the space or who may enjoy working with more experienced gardeners. I live in an apartment so I joined the town’s community garden project. I now have a small garden to tend. Some folks and I spent some time looking for two sunny and easily accessible areas, a church and the town accepted the plans, a few meetings later we formed a garden committee, and yesterday we staked out plots.

    One of the strangest gardens I’ve seen was in the country, where a friend tilled up an acre plot. After planting, half of it was allowed to go wild, after the seeds were sowed, partly because the other half took too much time to keep weed free but also because she felt interested in seeing how the plants grew when weeds were allowed to grow and compete with the herbs and vegetables. Beans and peas climbed all over the tall grass. The harvest was like a treasure hunt trying to find the food in the thick of the wild plants. She also allowed wild animals into the untamed garden area. From her kitchen window she can see the garden and she has great stories of morning sightings of deer, moose, and smaller animals visiting the site.

  • Nan

    Great interview. I’m not a gardener, but I love hearing about them and seeing them. Thank goodness for gardeners!

  • BHA

    For people with the problems MMS started with – look into raised beds. A lot of plants only need a few inches of depth. They can be as simple and easy as 2x4s or 2x6s nailed together in a square or rectangular shape. Assuming you can get to all sides of them, make them no more them 4′ wide so you can reach everywhere inside. You don’t want to walk in the garden, the paths are the spaces between the raised beds. If you are planting vegetables DO NOT use pressure treated wood! Dig out whatever is growing in the space, you don’t want the grass and weeds growing up through your garden – and they WILL.

    If there is a garden center nearby, have them deliver the proper amount of compost. They sell it by the cubic yard. You don’t want top soil, don’t need a lot of expensive bags of planting mix.

    Also look into the Square Foot Gardening method. If you have a small garden, you can get more plants per square foot than in a large garden you walk through.

  • http://wrni imchuckie

    Hi, can I get the names of the gardening books mentioned on today’s show?

  • http://allentowngardener.com Elizabeth LIcata

    Hi Julie who asked about aggressive groundcovers:

    I love sweet woodruff (gallium odorata) and lamium. Lamium flowers all summer; sweet woodruff has white flowers in spring. They will spread and mingle in a delightful way. I also use ivy, which is not for the timid, but I have a lot of trees.

    Ajuga is also wonderful, but could be a bit more aggressive.

    I hope you are still checking the comments.

  • http://jamesdoiron.com Jim Doiron

    I have enjoyed bonsai as a hobby for ten years or more. An extension of this is my interest in kusamono which are use as accent plants to the bonsai. These can be as simple as a single plant or a small collection of plants in a pot as big as a tea cup. I find these incredibly enchanting and engrossing and spend hours picking at these with tweezers and clipping with scissors. The same benefits of the two acres in the palm of your hand.

  • http://artofgardeningbuffalo.blogspot.com/ Jim/ArtofGardening.org

    For everyone that wants a garden boost this summer, please visit Garden Walk Buffalo! Elizabeth Licata is one of the many that help this event happen. It’s the largest garden tour in the country (more than 300 gardens!), with spectacular urban gardens, that attracts between 45,000 and 50,000 people from around the U.S. and Canada. http://gardenwalkbuffalo.com/

    Also this year there will be five weeks of garden walks, talks tours and more happening before Garden Walk Buffalo. In addition there will be garden-themed tours, a front yard garden competition, philharmonic concerts, and more! Visit http://www.NationalGardenFestival.com ( http://www.nationalgardenfestival.com/ )

  • Sarah

    What an inspiring show! Ever since I was a young girl (I am now 25), I have loved the book and movie versions of “The Secret Garden” by Frances Hodgson Burnett. The story of little Mary Lennox finding a myseterious garden, which ultimately opens her world to a new outlook on her otherwise drab life, has always stayed with me. I have planted several things over the years, and hope to one day have a secret garden of my own when I have my own house!

  • Karen Cogswell

    Loved this show! I am 54 and have been working in the dirt as long as I can remember. My Grandparents were farmers in CT – my Dad did not like farm work but always had gardens around the house. My Mom’s Dad who passed before I was born always grew Vegetables- so I guess it’s in the blood. I live in FL 23 yrs now, and have tried to grow “northern” plants here – got frustrated. The past 5 years or so I have been going native and I have been incorporating edible landscaping into my small 80×125 lot. I do container gardening etc.
    Much more satisfying than trying to force something to grow where it shouldn’t. If you are ever in SW FL Visit
    ECHO Farm – You will be fascinated and come away w/ Tons of ideas. Gardening is therapy for me!

  • Sydney Eddison

    Tom, thank you for having me on the show. You are a wonderful interviewer.

    Belatedly, I would like to encourage Jennifer (May 19) who wondered how to begin gardening. My advice would be to just start. Dig up a small area in a sunny spot, add bagged compost from a local garden center, plant a few plants–annuals which only live for one season or easy to grow perennials, such as daylilies, sedum ‘Autumn Joy’ or a clump of Siberian iris. Water them and keep them moist. To choose plants and/or acquire plants, visit the gardens of friends or neighbors. If you admire something, ask questions–Is it easy to grow? Do deer eat it? How tall and wide does it get? Having admired it, your friend or neighbor will probably give you a piece of the plant with instructions. Gardeners like to give away plants and to offer advice.

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