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U.S. President Barack Obama speaks at Cairo University in Cairo, Thursday, June 4, 2009. In his speech,President Obama called for a "new beginning between the United States and Muslims", declaring that "this cycle of suspicion and discord must end." (AP)

U.S. President Barack Obama speaks at Cairo University in Cairo, Thursday, June 4, 2009. In his speech,President Obama called for a "new beginning between the United States and Muslims", declaring that "this cycle of suspicion and discord must end." (AP)

Candidate Barack Obama promised that if elected he would speak to the Muslim world from a major Islamic capitol, to try to mend the breach between the United States and many Muslims.

Today in Cairo, President Obama delivered on that promise. He spoke at length to the Muslim world. He greeted the crowd in Cairo with the goodwill of the American people, he said, and a greeting of peace in Arabic — assalaamu alaykum.

In the hall in Egypt, he got a standing ovation. What about outside?

This hour, On Point: President Obama’s Cairo speech, and reaction from the Muslim world.

You can join the conversation. Tell us what you think — here on this page, on Twitter, and on Facebook.

Guests:

Joining us from Cairo is Margaret Talev, White House correspondent for McClatchy newspapers.

Also with us from Cairo is Ibrahim El-Houdaiby, an Islamic activist and advisor for the English-language website of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Joining us from Baghdad is Anthony Shadid, Pulitzer Prize-winning correspondent for The Washington Post and author of “Night Draws Near: Iraq’s People in the Shadow of America’s War” (2005). He wrote this week about how much President Obama has to overcome as he addresses Muslims in his Cairo speech.

From Dubai, we’re joined by Dawood Al-Shirian, editor-in-chief of alarabiya.net, the website for the Arabic-language global satellite channel Al Arabiya, and columnist for Al-Hayat, a major international Arabic paper.

And from Washington, we’re joined by Hisham Melhem, Washington Bureau Chief for the Dubai-based Al Arabiya News Channel. He conducted the first formal interview with President Obama, on January 26, 2009, a week after his inauguration.

More links:

NPR.org offers the complete transcript and audio of President Obama’s speech. The BBC has the complete video.

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  • http://www.richardsnotes.org Richard

    This was a brilliant speech. I listened live this morning and it made me well up with pride in this man. I only hope that the cynics don’t rip into him for having the audacity to hope for world peace.

  • Lilya Lopekha

    Was overwhelmed with pride and teary eyes during the speech.

    What a guy we have, excluding some of the people who are around them.

  • MIke

    great job prez obama, So nice to finally have a pres who thinks before he acts.

    He understands u cant force down western values on others but show why they would want such values and do what they can to have it.

  • Ellen Dibble

    If you click the Muslim Brotherhood link up top and select “Analysis of Obama’s Speech,” you’ll get a PDF copy of the transcript of the speech. I woke as if “called” from my sleep and ran for my headset and there was Obama about a page into this speech. I had no idea this would happen. But one show, at least, set all aside for the duration. What a boost. (Do we have unconscious receptors that say, “Wake up, turn on the radio, Obama is speaking in Egypt and you can hear it”?) I hope the world takes this leader — seriously.

  • Frederic C.

    Fantastic speech.

    It was right on.

  • http://muscatinetours.libsyn.com Daniel G. Clark

    Obama’s Cairo speech is historic. It can prove as big as predecessors calling for League of Nations, United Nations, going to China, visiting walls, all our best symbolic moments for peace. Or as tragic if, true to form, we the people don’t do our part for “the world we seek.”

    Our president is doing well what a president CAN do best. He is speaking big ideas, hitting right notes, making right moves, and setting good tone. What more can we ask? Follow-through depends upon the rest of us, his fellow Americans.

    For peace to stand a chance, we need capacity, and for that we need sustained funding of peace priorities. Too often, we have shown that we opt for war, that we think weapons mean jobs and military means service. Until we risk investing in peace studies and values and careers and capacities, and until we can resist the calls to war, “the world we seek” will remain a vision and a dream. It’s up to us.

  • Lilya Lopekha

    Obama said: “America is not at War with Islam”

    And then Pakistani newspapers have been asking the same question: “Why in the world you couldn’t find anybody else to appoint other than Richard Halbrook to this area, which is the hot-bed of Jihad and struggle about Us vs. Them)”

    When are we going to learn?

  • Ibrahima bah

    I am very proud of the president’s honest speech. he brought tears on my eyes after I hear him speaks. this is going to help reduce or eradicate the fueling of hate and extremism. surely Al-qaida will not like this because it will be hard for them to convince the muslims that the US is their enemy.

  • Glenn Pollock

    Will conservative talk radio have a field Day with this speech. Stating that I told you he(The President) was a Muslim and they are the people who destroyed the World trade Center. I personally think the speech was great. It showed that Mr Obama is a true citizen of the world.

  • Putney Swope

    Great speech, Obama is a great statesman.

    Lilya being that your such an expert in this area and all who should be in this position?

    You can’t win with the Taliban, they are extremist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

    Pakistan is a huge problem for the world, it’s spinning ou of control and they have nukes.

  • http://www.blazingindiscretions.blogspot.com James Vos

    Robert Fisk cuts through the BS surrounding Obama’s speech today. He’s right.

    “The sad truth is that so far did the US descend in moral power under George W Bush that Obama would probably have to deliver his lecture in the occupied West Bank, even Gaza, to change the deep resentment and fury that has built up among Muslims over the past eight years. This, of course, Obama will not do.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-police-state-is-the-wrong-venue-for-obamas-speech-1695487.html

  • Wild Rice

    Our president stepped into the biggest mess you could ever give a man to straighten out, and this speech proves he is on the right track, showing our Muslim brothers he is a man of his word. He has my respect, and support. On the one hand he is reaching out, while the other holds fast to the rudder. I am proud to call him Mr. President.

  • Lilya Lopekha

    Please Putney stop personal attacks. I am 1/4th of your age. Show some respect.

    “You can’t win with the Taliban, they are extremist.”

    I agree (allegedly) with you. We cannot win them.
    Therefore, we should stop invading other countries and let them live their lives the way they wish.

    Get it?

    Robert Fisk is right; except he does not know how much Obama is in Love with Michelle and he does not want her to raise the girls by herself.

    Get it? If he does not kiss some butts between remarks (ie. America has unbreakable ties with I….), you know what they can do to him.

    My Mom had an unbreakable Pyrex dish, and it broke. Nothing is unbreakable forever. Morals are Morals. We are America, we have our own constitution. We should stop defending “another” country (wanna be) and their constitution in the Middle East.

  • Charlie Mc

    I woke up this morning listening to the beginning of the President’s speech from Cairo on NPR (WBUR). Then my favorite station cut away for a station break and promos just when the failures of Palestine, and more especially Israel, were being addressed.
    I turned the FM dial to seek another station which would be carrying the speech I was missing. There wasn’t any other station carrying the address live, neither AM nor FM.
    While all the rest of the world listened to a magnificent speech by our President, a speech unanimously praised in all quarters of the world, a speech which will go down in history as an expession of this country’s most noble ideals, equal to those of JFK, FDR and A.Lincoln, many Americans will get Barack Obama’s words filtered through Rush Limbaugh. What a shame.

  • http://www.onpointradio.org/ Tom Ashbrook

    Thanks everybody for listening today. Whatever your view, this one had the feeling of history being made. Of the world feeling its connections before its divisions. It’s not something every leader can pull off, as we well know.

    Wading with you in the streams of history,
    Tom

  • millard-fillmore

    Good for Obama.

    Now what exactly is the “Muslim World” doing when it comes to issues of freedom of speech (Geert Wilders, Theo van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Tasleema Nasreen) and equal rights for all (persecution of Ahmaddiyas and other non-Muslims in Muslim-majority countries)?

    What is the “Muslim World” promising when it comes to the faux superiority of their faith, resultant world-view and the disharmony it causes in multi-faith societies?

    Or will these issues be brushed under the carpet by the “Muslim World” and their apologists laboring under liberal guilt?

  • Putney Swope

    So anytime I ask you a question, it’s a personal attack.
    You want respect try acting your age.

    You make sweeping comments and then when someone challenges you you make more sweeping comments.

    I do like winding you up you always take the bait.
    The world is not like your mom’s Pyrex dish. Get it?

  • david

    Another speech made by a guy that never stops running for office. I wish he would have asked the moslems to show more respect to the other religions in the world.

  • dianna g

    Lilya is right on the money.

    Was listening to an Pakistan story on All Things Considered today. Featuring Richard Holbrook and the Refugee camps in Swat Valley.

    Suffering Pakistani people are saying, this is America’s war. They would know it better than anybody else, becuase they live in it.

    And the bureaucrat from Washington, Richard Holbrook, says: “we did not do a good job in explaining the War”.

    C’mon people. Isn’t this Bush’s same “PR” garbage, while we are bribing Muslim to Kill other Muslims under the leadership of a guy who has vested interest in pulling US Foreign Policy in the wrong direction.

    When are we going to learn?

  • Larry H

    Tom,

    Our President did good. Your radio show – good. Your moslem respresentatives – poor.

    Once again, the folks chosen to speak for the Moslem world community are those who say that Islam is for peace and they don’t know about those who are dedicated to violence and killing Americans.

    When specifically asked – Who and When have Moslem spokepersons actually said Islam is for peace, and condems Osama Ben Laden you get the typical radio style of foot shuffling and arm waving.

    This is gettnig rather old. Why don’t you have one of the genuine, real, American haters on the air. Give them a chance to air their greivances. Don’t ask them to debate. Don’t put other voices on the air. Let the American people get a taste of just what these issues are all about and why they are prepared to kill themselves (and many Americans) in order to achieve their ends.

    Some surveys indicate that only 10% of the Moslem world really hate Americans, that is only 180 million people !!

    I believe you are doing a disservice to the public by putting on the air only these sappy, if well meaning, representatives.

  • millard-fillmore

    dianna g, Pakistanis are more interested in hating their neighbors to their east, than in improving their lives. That’s why they didn’t protest when Zia-ul-Haq was busy promoting madrassas, where radical Islam was being preached, using American money – because these radical Islamists could then be used (and are still being used) to fight their proxy war.

    Sure, America shares a big portion of the blame, but to absolve Pakistanis of their erroneous ways is not only disingenuous but condescending. There’s no reason to justify their promotion of radical Islam – now it’s coming back to bite them in their tush as Talibanis burn schools for girls and throw acid on young girls’ faces.

    Let’s see if the “Muslim World” acknowledges this insanity and does something about it. The liberals conveniently ignore such human rights abuses.

  • Megan A

    Someone asked where is the Muslim world’s speech like Obama’s? I recall watching then President Khatami, president of Iran, being interviewed by Charlie Rose shortly after 9/11. Khatami suggested a worldwide conference to discuss why there was conflict between cultures in the world. There was no response to his recommendation. I thought his response was the most thoughtful one I saw after 9/11. Certainly a lot brighter than our response — bomb Afghanistan and then invade Iraq.

  • Felipe

    Good Job Megan

    Asking about a similar speech from a head of a state from a Muslim country is actually a dumb request in the first place.

    It is a loaded and synical suggestion (trap) to connect 9/11 to 1.5 millions – the same war of civilizations crap.

    A US Soldier killed a 14-yr old girls family and then raped her and then killed the poor girl. Did Iraqi’s asked for an apology from the Pope, just because the soldier was Christian.

    Speaking of 9/11 – Does anybody really know what in the world has happened that day, let alone blaming quarter of the world? See this TV video clip from my hometown – FOX News Ch 26. It left me speechless.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQbM

  • Joe B.

    Obama’s message to the Muslim world was that he is getting ready to throw Israel under the bus.

  • Atif.R

    An honest call from an honest president to Muslims, Americans and mankind to work together towards peace for all…

    Indeed : Quran 49:13 (Asad) O men! Behold, We have created you all out of a male and a female, [15] and have made you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. [16] Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of God is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold, God is all-knowing, all-aware.

  • Lilya Lopekha

    Atif

    You don’t have to be so biblical or quaranic.

    Just don’t invade anybody else’s land by force or don’t take over somebody else’s house by force, and everything will be just fine.

    America; Israel… are you listening?

  • nsingh

    Hi,

    The speech was very good; the discussion was very good. Here is what would have made both better:

    1. If Pres Obama had spoken in a democratic Muslim country –perhaps Turkey (of course that is not Arab!),

    2. the program conflated Arab and Muslim –it only sought input from Arab Muslims in Egypt, Iraq, Dubai –what about the Muslims in South Asia, Indonesia, central Asia, Africa …… it would have been good to hear from Muslims in other parts of the world.

  • millard-fillmore

    “Just don’t invade anybody else’s land by force or don’t take over somebody else’s house by force, and everything will be just fine.”

    Exactly. I’ll add:

    1. Just don’t destroy schools for girls.
    2. Just don’t throw acid on little girls’ faces to keep them away from school.
    3. Just don’t kill gays for being gay.
    4. Just don’t ask non-Muslims to pay special tax and don’t treat them as second-class citizens with lesser rights.
    5. Just don’t make non-Muslims wear yellow armbands, like Nazis did to Jews.
    6. Just don’t kill people if they want to leave Islam.
    7. Just don’t put restrictions on non-Muslims if they want to practice their faith in a Muslim-majority country.
    8. Just don’t kill people if they criticize certain aspects of Islam through their writings or films.

    In other words, grow up and join the modern world, instead of living in the dark ages. There’s nothing special about you just because you happened to born as a Muslim – get over yourselves and start acting in a mature and rational manner.

  • millard-fillmore

    And the sooner the Islamic world grows up, sooner the liberals can stop walking on eggshells when it comes to Islam, and sooner certain taboos about criticizing Islam will fall away, and sooner liberals will stop their self-censoring because of the fear of being labeled as an “Islamophobe” by their fellow-liberals. Otherwise, there’s no end to the condescending/patronizing manner in which (white) liberals treat Muslims, instead of treating them as equals and asking them to take responsibility as world citizens.

  • millard-fillmore

    Megan A.,

    If you’re looking for the reason for conflicts between cultures, you can find the answer in Abrahamic religions and their injunction of “One True God” (TM) (and by implication that all other religions’ Gods are false) and the God-given mandate to convert others, or kill them. That’s the reason why Shias and Sunnis today are blowing up and killing each other (and not so long ago, Protestants and Catholics did the same) – it’s all for the great cause of One True God and their true religion. The two major Abrahamic religions (Islam and Christianity) are nothing but deep intolerance in the guise of religion, and its followers suffering from superiority complex who never learned the important lesson of live-and-let-live.

  • Lilya Lopekha

    Obama Said in a Corporate Boardroom in Cairo:
    “Israel, You are Fired!!!”

  • Travis McGee

    Does anybody know…. Why we cannot get Al-jazeera TV in the US? Speaking of Openness?!?!?!?!

    More than one guests who were on OnPoint, mentioned passionately that Al-Jazeera from Qatar is one of the best and most objective source of news in the Middle East.

    Thank you His Highness Shaikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani, the Amir of Qatar for Founding Al-jazeera.

  • dianna g

    Has anybody seen pictures of the refugees from the swat valley in Pakistan? has anybody seen 20000 people displaces and forced to flee out of their villages?

    Folks, 2 and a half million. 2,500,000 with rags in their backs had to leave and live in muddy tents.

    Why, why, why? Why are we doing this to them?

    There is no logic. There is no justification to provoke people to attack each other at the other end of the world.

  • R.M

    hamas’s little sister is at it again .Did you experience any Honor killings with your “big brothers”?

  • wavre

    About the speech:

    If you want to please everybody, you will end up pleasing no one!

    But the speech was well constructed, nice job!!

  • Putney Swope

    Some of you are looking for the US government as the villains here. The Pakistani government has taken billions of aid and has from the US and it has basically done what it has wanted with it. They financed and support militants in Kashmir and also funded the madrases. They played both sides. The issues and problems of Pakistan are huge as large parts of this country are governable. To blame the refugees from the swat valley on the US is fool hardy and an over simplification of something that has been building for years. The Pakistani military is not trained to fight an insurgency. They are trained to fight the Indian military. The other problem is that inside the Pakistani military you have some who support the Taliban. This is a hornets nest and we in the west are not in control. The scary thing is neither is the Pakistani government.

    Lilya, your not worth comments anymore.

  • millard-fillmore

    Has anybody seen pictures of the refugees from the swat valley in Pakistan? has anybody seen 20000 people displaces and forced to flee out of their villages?

    Folks, 2 and a half million. 2,500,000 with rags in their backs had to leave and live in muddy tents.

    Why, why, why? Why are we doing this to them?

    dianne g., please help me here – I’m having a hard time understanding why is America responsible for this, and who are this “we” you mention above? How about looking at the facts objectively and seeing what Pakistani military did over the past decade to promote radical Islam/Taliban within its borders and in Afghanistan? I hope you caught the news of Pakistan releasing Hafiz Mohammad Saeed – leader of a militant group suspected of masterminding the Mumbai attacks in November 2008. With (Pakistani government having) friends like these, who needs external enemies?

  • Putney Swope

    The issues and problems of Pakistan are huge as large parts of this country are governable.

    Should read:

    The issues and problems of Pakistan are huge as large parts of this country are “not” governable.

  • Frederic C.

    Since parts of Pakistan are ungovernable, the government of Pakistan is not sovereign.

    How long does the government of Pakistan have to reclaim the whole of its nation before the borders are redrawn to include the Taliban controlled region of Pakganistan?

  • R.M.

    maybe hamas ‘s “blond little sister” will be at least concerned for the horses:

    Gaza gunmen use booby-trapped horses against IDF

    Army continues to investigate foiled terror attack south of Karni crossing. Initial probe reveals cell believed to be affiliated with al-Qaeda arrived with trucks, horses loaded with explosive devices, may have planned to kidnap soldier

    Hanan Greenberg Published: 06.08.09, Israel

    An Israel Defense Forces’ investigation into a major terror attack thwarted Monday morning south of the Karni crossing in the Gaza Strip revealed that the gunmen, believed to be affiliated with al-Qaeda, arrived at the crossing with several trucks and at least five horses loaded with explosive devices and mines.

    According to the army, it is possible that the gunmen had planned to kidnap a soldier.

    A new organization called “the army of Allah’s supporters” claimed responsibility for the foiled terror attack. The organization said it would release details about the attack later in the day

    About 10 to 12 terrorists took the horses off the truck and began planting the devices near the fence. At this stage, they were spotted by an IDF force and began firing at soldiers from Golani’s 13th Regiment.

    The troops fired back, and the terrorists tried to escape and return the horses into the truck. At least four gunmen were killed in the battle.

    The force chose not to enter the Strip for fear of an abduction trap, and the army sent warplanes and tanks to the area instead.

    IDF force in scene of attack (Photo: AP)

    Meanwhile, the IDF continues to investigate the foiled terror attack. The initial probe revealed that the cell had prepared for the attack for a long time. A senior military source told Ynet that complicated and combined attack had been thwarted and that it was safe to assume that the terrorists had planned a kidnapping as well.

    The cell’s goal was undoubtedly to target soldiers near the border fence. The terrorists were first spotted some hundreds of meters from the border fence, after opening fire at a Golani force on the Israeli side of the border.

    Truck hit by IDF fire (Photo: AFP)

    Immediately after the first shots were fired, additional IDF forces were dispatched to the area and fired massively at the cell. At this stage, some of the cell members began escaping on cars and a truck, which they may have been planning to use for the abduction.

    Mortar shells were fired from the Palestinian territory in order to help some of the terrorists to escape. This activity points to the fact that another cell was engaged in covering for the cell. The goal may have been to attract some of the forces into the Strip or set a trap for them should they enter the Palestinian territory.

    IDF sources noted that the investigation into the incident was still at its early stages, but that it was already clear that the soldiers’ activity – as well as the warplanes and tanks which fired at the cars the terrorists escaped in – helped foil a well-planned terror attack.

    Defense Minister Ehud Barak praised the soldiers’ activity on Monday afternoon. Speaking at a Labor faction meeting, Barak said that “in an operational, purposeful and efficient activity the IDF thwarted an operation aimed at carrying out a major attack on the fence… The results speak for themselves and testify to the alertness of the forces along the Gaza border.”

  • Mike

    IDF is about as creditable as fox news is balances.

    IDF census all news coming from gaza along with pre-appoving whats news gets out, fails to work with independent inquiries on what happen, and lied countless times.

    I believe Glen Beak before i ever believe anything i heard from the IDF. The joke goes on about the IDF being fair and impartial and if u believe that than maybe u should stop taking those meds.

    also,
    that investigation of war crimes is coming out in sept so far 6 out of 9 cases were found to be faulted on the IDF against UN building

    obama speech was as close to fair than anything in the past 8 years for both sides and as best as it would be towards arabs/muslims.

  • R.M.

    hahahahah because everything that comes out of hamas is the pure truth hahahahahaha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys#IIfAj_eg2EE

  • RSD

    Has anyone questioned why Obama chose to speak to the Muslim world “dafka” on the 4th of June? Was this a subliminal message regarding to which “lines” he intends to push?

  • Mike

    yes r.m. hamas is equally as bad as the IDF, but i was talking about the UN so not sure where hamas came into it. maybe in your twisted mind u think all people in gaza is hamas.

    R.M. just for u

    UN=The United Nations (UN) is an international organization whose stated aims are to facilitate cooperation in international law, international security, economic development, social progress, human rights, and achieving world peace. The UN was founded in 1945 after World War II to replace the League of Nations, to stop wars between countries, and to provide a platform for dialogue.

    There are currently 192 member states, including nearly every recognized independent state in the world. From its headquarters on international territory in New York City, the UN and its specialized agencies decide on substantive and administrative issues in regular meetings held throughout the year. The organization is divided into administrative bodies, primarily:

    since u seem not to understand what it is.

  • R.M.

    since u seem not to understand what it is:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxyPBQirBH0&NR=1

  • R.M

    Gobledigook Newspeak . Nazis also had plenty of propaganda .

  • R.M.

    I know the truth hurts …

  • Mike

    ????

    again lay off the meds, u seem to know alot about nazi’s something u arent telling use?

    “truth hurts” is that why u hate the bbc so bad it all makes since now. anything that does not agree with your twisted view is wrong. i mean your view compare to the U.N. HRW, the world must be right what a tool. than u paste videos and news sources from sites or groups so biased it makes me laugh at how sad it is.

    Do u even have a view on obama speech or do u enjoy trolling around?

    maybe one day u can have a actual intelligent thought and post it until than have fun trolling.

  • R.M

    I know its hard to lose your cool…..calm down …

  • Lilya Lopekha

    Poor Mike,

    Probably you have a job and hobbies and family to take care of. These guys have nothing else to do, except to protect Israel and defend its actions until the cows come home. The cows are on the other side of the highway.

    There is no way, these people will admit that they are denying The Truth. We are wasting our times.

  • R.M

    strange how BBC is mute on this one also :
    PA: Teen ‘collaborator’ executed

    Horror in West Bank: Palestinian teenager hanged after being tortured by family members; relatives confess to crime, say boy was executed over suspicions that he collaborated with Israel

    Ali Waked Published: 06.11.09

    No mercy in Palestinian Authority: A 15-year-old boy from a village near the West Bank town of Qalqiliya was tortured and executed by family members who suspected him of collaborating with Israel.

    A spokesman for Palestinian security forces in the West Bank, Adnan al-Damairi, said the boy was found dead at a family storeroom.

    At first, Palestinian officials believed the boy was murdered as result of a criminally motivated domestic dispute, yet a probe conducted by Palestinian police forces revealed the horrifying truth.

    Officials said the victim, Raed Sualha, was tortured before he was hanged by his relatives, who suspected that he collaborated with Israeli security forces.

    The Palestinian spokesman said that the main suspect in the crime was detained, and that other relatives suspected of aiding the chief murderer were also arrested.

    The detained relatives confessed to murdering the boy over their collaboration suspicions. Al-Damairi expressed his puzzlement over the crime, noting that the boy was a minor. He said the suspects will be brought to justice and are expected to be received appropriate punishment, while the probe into the execution continues

  • R.M.

    If they can do that to a family member ,imagine what they can do to others …

  • Lilya Lopekha

    Yes, R.M. is right.

    Just because something ALLEGEDLY has happened, or whatever, Israel has the right to occupy their land and destroy their buildings and should blockade the commerce and starve them to death.

    Good Going R.M., the lying loser

    I wonder what else you are going to come up next.

    Gaza: No right to life With the lack of medical services in Gaza, critically ill patients must travel into Israel for treatment. Many are asked to collaborate with Israeli intelligence services before they receive aid. It has been alleged that if they refuse to become informers they are refused medical treatment.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/jun/11/gaza-israel

  • R.M.

    YOU POOR CHILD ….YOU THINK YOU BOTHER PEOPLE BY CALLING THEM NAMES …YOU JUST SHOW WHAT A INMATURE FOOL YOU ARE ….

  • frederic c.
  • Mike

    nice story r.m. i love how u provided a source, again no one believe the crap u spew. I mean not like IDF soldiers shoot gas canisters close range to try and kill peaceful protesters(wait they do americans as well) not like IDF soldiers terrorize pallys both in the west bank and gaza(wait they do) even video footage to boot. Israel horrible treatment to all pally’s is what makes people wish to support hamas and trying to limit the growth of pally’s yet allowing it on the Jewish side is also another big factor.

    R.M. i still didnt hear about what u thought about obama speech, (wait u dont) thats why your a troll u go on threads not to give your views but attack with sources not worth the paper it was written

    Fred i think some in hamas are loons and murders, just as i think so of some of Israeli politicians and leaders along with the IDF are just as bad. reasoning that hamas must change but not israel will not solve the problem

    mandatory drafting doesnt sound very democratic.

    Lilya r.m. is a troll he feeds on discourse and love to inflame people. one would think that he realize not providing his sources and providing ones so biased that its laughable wont prove his point.

    Luckily U.S. opinions are changing to have a fairer few of the region and the lies that been held as trues for so many years are coming to light. not just from people outside israel but within, scholars, historians(left, right) all except the politicians who have a twisted view of the world, as hamas does, and your lovely troll r.m.

    Lilya dont feed the troll

  • http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discourse frederic C.

    Lilya r.m. is a troll he feeds on discourse and…

    FYI

    Discourse (L. discursus, “running to and from”) means either “written or spoken communication or debate” or “a formal discussion or debate.”[1] The term is often used in semantics and discourse analysis.

  • frederic C.

    BTW – I’m not seconding mike/lilya (no offense intended) just pointing out the misuse of a word.

    Haven’t taken a survey of all of R.M.’ s postings but it seems that R.M. does not fits the description of a troll, unless my view is too narrow, though what R.M. is responding to is often so off-base that it’s hard not to sound extreme by refuting it.

  • Mike

    Fred,

    that may be the difference of your views and mine

    just a examples the first thing he said on the thread

    “hamas’s little sister is at it again .Did you experience any Honor killings with your “big brothers”?

    maybe your view is far narrower than mine but the above had nothing to do with obama speech, or anything in the context of these thread only to inflame and excite the thread with no substances supporting most of his claims least objectable.

    Fred though i dont agree with u on the actions of israel, as i cant speak for lilya, but my info comes from facts, news, historians, history where i see others come from emotion, bibical dogma, and the victum has before the oppessor so its okay now. And use of intemidations, name calling and scare tatics, to silence debate.

    but the def for internet troll is : someone who posts controversial infalmmatory, irrelevant or off-topic meassages in an online communitiy, such as an online discussion forum or chat room with the primary intent of provoking others users into an emotional response or generally disrupt normal on-topic dicussion

    R.M. fits this if u feel im in error all u need to do is read up and see what he posted. as none of his comments so far said anything about obamas speech for or against. Fred if u like u can read the history of the israeli, arab conflict from the prior thread i posted the website to read from the writers is a jewish histortian.

    again R.M. is a internet troll so dont feed the beast

  • frederic C.

    Mike, is Lilya and internet troll?

  • Mike
  • Mike

    yes on some things she qualifies under the term, but it all depends on what troll u like correct?

    but least in her defense she tries to express her views to help solve problems u can agree or disagree on if they can work of the creditability of it but can u say the same in defense of r.m.?

  • frederic c.

    Won’t the settlements help to integrate the insular Palestinian neighborhoods in Israel’s west bank?

  • R.M.
  • Mike
  • Mike

    haha keep trying

    The United Nations Security Council (Resolution 446 Resolution 465 and Resolution 484, among others), the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention,[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross,[17] have each resolved that the territories discussed in this article are occupied and that the Fourth Geneva Convention provisions regarding occupied territories apply. In its advisory opinion on the separation barrier, the International Court of Justice described the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem as occupied, though without considering arguments for or against the applicability of the term.[18]

    The Israeli High Court of Justice determined in the 1979 Elon Moreh case that only the military commander of an area may requisition land according to article 52 of the regulations annexed to the Hague IV Convention. Military necessity had been an after-thought in planning portions of the Elon Moreh settlement. That situation did not fulfill the precise strictures laid down in the articles of the Hague Convention, so the Court ruled the requisition order had been invalid and illegal.[19] Various Israeli Cabinets have made political statements and many of Israel’s citizens and supporters dispute that the territories are occupied and claim that use of the term “occupied” in relation to Israel’s control of the areas has no basis in international law or history, and that it prejudges the outcome of any future or ongoing negotiations. They argue it is more accurate to refer to the territories as “disputed” rather than “occupied” although they agree to apply the humanitarian provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention pending resolution of the dispute. Yoram Dinstein, has dismissed the theory as being “based on dubious legal grounds”. Dinstein is Professor Emeritus at Tel Aviv The United Nations Security Council (Resolution 446 Resolution 465 and Resolution 484, among others), the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention,[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross,[17] have each resolved that the territories discussed in this article are occupied and that the Fourth Geneva Convention provisions regarding occupied territories apply. In its advisory opinion on the separation barrier, the International Court of Justice described the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem as occupied, though without considering arguments for or against the applicability of the term.[18]

    The Israeli High Court of Justice determined in the 1979 Elon Moreh case that only the military commander of an area may requisition land according to article 52 of the regulations annexed to the Hague IV Convention. Military necessity had been an after-thought in planning portions of the Elon Moreh settlement. That situation did not fulfill the precise strictures laid down in the articles of the Hague Convention, so the Court ruled the requisition order had been invalid and illegal.[19] Various Israeli Cabinets have made political statements and many of Israel’s citizens and supporters dispute that the territories are occupied and claim that use of the term “occupied” in relation to Israel’s control of the areas has no basis in international law or history, and that it prejudges the outcome of any future or ongoing negotiations. They argue it is more accurate to refer to the territories as “disputed” rather than “occupied” although they agree to apply the humanitarian provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention pending resolution of the dispute. Yoram Dinstein, has dismissed the theory as being “based on dubious legal grounds”. Dinstein is Professor Emeritus at Tel Aviv The United Nations Security Council (Resolution 446 Resolution 465 and Resolution 484, among others), the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention,[16] and the International Committee of the Red Cross,[17] have each resolved that the territories discussed in this article are occupied and that the Fourth Geneva Convention provisions regarding occupied territories apply. In its advisory opinion on the separation barrier, the International Court of Justice described the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem as occupied, though without considering arguments for or against the applicability of the term.[18]

    The Israeli High Court of Justice determined in the 1979 Elon Moreh case that only the military commander of an area may requisition land according to article 52 of the regulations annexed to the Hague IV Convention. Military necessity had been an after-thought in planning portions of the Elon Moreh settlement. That situation did not fulfill the precise strictures laid down in the articles of the Hague Convention, so the Court ruled the requisition order had been invalid and illegal.[19] Various Israeli Cabinets have made political statements and many of Israel’s citizens and supporters dispute that the territories are occupied and claim that use of the term “occupied” in relation to Israel’s control of the areas has no basis in international law or history, and that it prejudges the outcome of any future or ongoing negotiations. They argue it is more accurate to refer to the territories as “disputed” rather than “occupied” although they agree to apply the humanitarian provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention pending resolution of the dispute. Yoram Dinstein, has dismissed the theory as being “based on dubious legal grounds”. Dinstein is Professor Emeritus at Tel Aviv University where he formerly held the posts of President, Rector and Dean of Law.[20] Many Israeli government websites do refer to the areas as being “occupied territories”.[

    Read cafefully

    In recent decades the government of Israel has argued before the Supreme Court of Israel that its authority in the territories is based on the international law of "belligerent occupation", in particular the Hague Conventions. The court has confirmed this interpretation many times, for example in its 2004 and 2005 rulings on the separation fence.[22][23] According to the BBC, “Israel argues that the international conventions relating to occupied land do not apply to the Palestinian territories because they were not under the legitimate sovereignty of any state in the first place.”[24]

    Soon after the 1967 war, Israel issued a military order stating that the Geneva Conventions applied to the recently-occupied territories [3], but this order was rescinded a few months later [4]. For a number of years, Israel argued on various grounds that the Geneva Conventions do not apply. One is the Missing Reversioner theory[25] which argued that the Geneva Conventions apply only to the sovereign territory of a High Contracting Party, and therefore do not apply since Jordan never exercised sovereignty over the region [26]. In 1986, the International Court of Justice ruled that portions of the Geneva Conventions of 1949 merely declare existing customary international law.[27] In 1993, the UN Security Council adopted a binding Chapter VII resolution establishing an International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia. The resolution approved a Statute which said that the problem of adherence of some but not all States to the Geneva Conventions does not arise, since beyond any doubt the Convention is declarative of customary international law.[28] The subsequent interpretation of the International Court of Justice does not support Israel’s view on the applicability of the Geneva Conventions.[18]

    In its June 2005 ruling upholding the constitutionality of the Gaza disengagement, the Israeli High Court determined that “Judea and Samaria” [West Bank] and the Gaza area are lands seized during warfare, and are not part of Israel:

    and some more

    The Judea and Samaria areas are held by the State of Israel in belligerent occupation. The long arm of the state in the area is the military commander. He is not the sovereign in the territory held in belligerent occupation (see The Beit Sourik Case, at p. 832). His power is granted him by public international law regarding belligerent occupation. The legal meaning of this view is twofold: first, Israeli law does not apply in these areas. They have not been “annexed” to Israel. Second, the legal regime which applies in these areas is determined by public international law regarding belligerent occupation (see HCJ 1661/05 The Gaza Coast Regional Council v. The Knesset et al. (yet unpublished, paragraph 3 of the opinion of the Court; hereinafter – The Gaza Coast Regional Council Case). In the center of this public international law stand the Regulations Concerning the Laws and Customs of War on Land, The Hague, 18 October 1907 (hereinafter – The Hague Regulations). These regulations are a reflection of customary international law. The law of belligerent occupation is also laid out in IV Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War 1949 (hereinafter – the Fourth Geneva Convention).[29][30]

    In two cases decided shortly after independence (the Shimshon and Stampfer cases) the Israeli Supreme Court held that the fundamental rules of international law accepted as binding by all “civilized” nations were incorporated in the domestic legal system of Israel. The Nuremberg Military Tribunal determined that the articles annexed to the Hague IV Convention of 1907 were customary law that had been recognized by all civilized nations. [31] In the past, the Israeli Supreme Court has argued that the Geneva Convention insofar it is not supported by domestic legislation “does not bind this Court, its enforcement being a matter for the states which are parties to the Convention”. They ruled that “Conventional international law does not become part of Israeli law through automatic incorporation, but only if it is adopted or combined with Israeli law by enactment of primary or subsidiary legislation from which it derives its force”. However, in the same decision the Court ruled that the Hague IV Convention rules governing belligerent occupation did apply, since those were recognized as customary international law.[32] The Court has not ruled on the status of the Geneva Conventions since the Security Council determined they were customary international law, because the government of Israel has declared it complies with their international humanitarian law provisions. Al Haq, a West Bank affiliate of the International Commission of Jurists, has asserted that “As noted in Article 27 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, ‘a party may not invoke the provisions of its internal law as justification for its failure to perform a treaty’. As such, Israeli reliance on local law does not justify its violations of its international legal obligations”.[33] Further, the Palestinian mission to the U.N. has argued

    it is of no relevance whether a State has a monist or a dualist approach to the incorporation of international law into domestic law. A position dependent upon such considerations contradicts Article 18 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties of 1969 which states that: “a state is obliged to refrain from acts which would defeat the object and purposes of a treaty when it has undertaken an act expressing its consent thereto.” The Treaty, which is substantially a codification of customary international law, also provides that a State “may not invoke the provisions of its internal law as justification for its failure to perform a treaty” (Art. 27).[34]

  • Mike

    fred no, cause there is no integration when its preventing people to access there land. that 3 percent is also false stated by npr at least 7 to 8 percent not including barriers which take additional land from the pallys

    In closing

    Despite Israeli entreaties that the settlements in the areas occupied during the 1967 War did not constitute a serious violation of the laws and customs applicable in international armed conflict, the United Nations Diplomatic Conference of Plenipotentiaries disagreed. By a vote of 120 to 7, the International Criminal Court (ICC) was given subject matter jurisdiction over occupying powers that transfer, either directly or indirectly, parts of their own civilian population into the territory that they occupy. Israel understood that going forward those practices constitute a serious crime of concern to the international community as a whole.[35]. Currently the Rome Statute of the ICC has 139 Signatories and 108 Ratifications. Many of those States have vested universal jurisdiction in their own national courts for crimes defined in the Statute.[36] For example, Section 4.1 of The Canadian Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act, S.C. 2000, c. 24 stipulates that crimes defined by the Rome Statute are violations of customary international law and are indictable offenses within Canada. A complaint was recently filed in the Superior Court of Montreal against two Canadian businesses accusing them of offenses under the statute. The complaint dealt with construction of settlements for Israeli citizens on Palestinian land near the village of Bil’in.[37]

    The Palestinian National Authority accepted the jurisdiction of the ICC, and the only relevant factor is whether alleged violations occurred in the territory of a signatory.[38] Many of the ICC member states already recognize the State of Palestine. Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad al-Malki presented the ICC prosecutor with documentary evidence which shows that 67 states in Latin America, Asia, Africa and Europe have legally recognized the State of Palestine.[39]

  • Mike

    funny how u try to uses pieces of information to validate your claims yet leave out the whole. cleverer if u was not such a fool nor people were able to counter such crap.

    i mean not like there’s U.N. resolutions against israel or majority agreement against Israeli illegals acts, settlements, walls and the likes. (Wait there is)

    again your argument is laughable but nice try :) cheers troll

  • Mike

    how about helping

    Jews of Color & Arab Descent
    Welcome!
    Monday, September 29, 2008

    About Us: We are a network of Mizrahi Jews (Jews of Arab and African descent), Jews from the global South, and Jews of Color living in Western countries. The IJAZ Network is committed to challenging the white racism within Jewish communities and the privileging of Ashkenazi Jewish traditions, history and culture.

    As such, the JoC-Mizrahi Network seeks to promote the voices, cultural work, writing and activism of Jews of Color, Jews from the global South and Mizrahi Jews. IJAZ is committed to confronting the role of white anti-Zionist Jewish activists and activism in undermining alliances between Mizrahi Jews and Palestinians in their struggles against Zionism.

    Purpose and goals: Some of the project ideas have included:

    * Increase visibility of the voices, cultural work, writing and activism of Jews of Color, Jews from the global South and Mizrahi Jews

    * Support the building of joint Mizrahi-Palestinian struggles against Zionist colonialism and racism

    * Support the inclusion of Mizrahi anti-Zionist voices and perspectives in anti-imperialist movements

    Current projects: Building of off interest from our Mizrahi Jewish organizers in Israel, there is interest in an international digital storytelling project to capture the histories and perspectives of Mizrahi anti-Zionists, anti-Zionist Jews of Color and anti-Zionist Jews from the global South.

    Past projects: Mizrahim and Jews of Color Discussion On Sunday, July 27th, 2008, two IJSN (now IJAN) participants hosted a Mizrahi and Jew of Color event in San Francisco, CA that was attended by about 20 Mizrahi, JOC, and allied participants.

    The speaker panel was composed of Reuven Abarjel, Arab Jewish co-founder of Israel’s Black Panther party and activist working in Mizrahi, prison and anti-occupation struggles and Marcelle Edery, Arab Jewish feminist activist and organizer of the Single Mother’s Tent to secure rights for single Jewish and Palestinian women in Israel. Both were in town for the first IJSN international meeting.

    Reuven and Marcelle screened informational films about Jews of Mizrahi descent and the structural racism they encounter within the state of Israel, especially highlighted in the cases of Iraqi children being “treated” for ringworm with radiation.

    The ensuing discussion treated the questions of the potential for joint Palestinian and Mizrahi struggles, connections to racism against Jews of Color in the U.S. and the implications for local organizing and strategy.

  • Mike

    or

    Open Letter Condemning Zionist Attacks at UC Berkeley
    Bay Area IJAN Stands in Solidarity with Palestinian Students Confronting Zionism
    Tuesday, December 02, 2008

    On November 13, 2008, three Palestinian students at the University of California, Berkeley, were attacked by members of the Zionist Freedom Alliance, an off-campus organization participating in an “Israeli Liberation Week” concert organized by the student group Tikvah. These students hung two Palestinian flags off the balcony of a nearby building to protest the message of the event. According to testimony, three members of ZFA approached the dissenting students, physically assaulting them and invoking ethnic slurs. When the campus police arrived, they failed to charge all of the attacking students (only one was issued a citation), and subjected the victims of the attack to humiliation and harrassment. The administration and media have largely portrayed the incident as a “clash” or “conflict” between two groups of students, rather than addressing it as an assault. More information is available from IndyBay, the Daily Californian (note strong bias), and Dina Omar’s statement.

    The Bay Area chapter of IJAN wrote an open letter to support the students who were attacked and to contextualize the violence within the structural violence of Zionism, racism, and colonialism.

    Other Palestine-solidarity and anti-racist organizations are invited to sign onto the letter — please email bay.ijsn@gmail.com for more information. The full text of the letter is below.

    To Whom It May Concern:

    We write to condemn the recent racist attacks on three Palestinian students at UC Berkeley, perpetrated by a current student, a former student, and a community member, all affiliated with the Zionist Freedom Alliance. We also are concerned at the administration’s inadequate response. We support the Palestinian students who sought not only to exercise their rights to freedom of expression, but also to challenge the racism that enabled these attacks to occur in the first place.

    While campus and other media have portrayed the situation as a “Violent Conflict Between Jewish and Palestinian Students” (Daily Cal, November 14), the statement of Dina Omar (one of the women attacked) clearly articulates that the ZFA representatives were unprovoked aggressors who attacked Palestinian students on the basis of their ethnicity, making racial slurs and inflicting serious physical injury.

    As Omar states, the original Daily Cal article and the administration have attempted “to equate and compare two unequal parties,” though “this incident was by no means a ‘fight.’” Furthermore, she documents the police and administration’s failure to pursue or charge the aggressors (only one was issued a citation), while subjecting the victims of this violence to harassment and humiliation. She charges, “The university places blame on the recipients of the violence.”

    Both the initial violence and the collusion of the Administration and police with this hate crime are unacceptable. Far from being an isolated dispute between two parties, this attack, and the administration’s response, can be seen as part of the historical and systematic patterns of Zionism and racism. As a colonial ideology and movement that began colonizing Palestine over a century ago (well before the official creation of the state of Israel), Zionism has consistently denied the existence of the land’s indigenous people, and simultaneously employed various forms of violence to expel or eradicate them, including massacres, demolition of homes and building of settlements, restrictions to resources and freedom of movement, and a series of apartheid-like laws.

    The Zionist Freedom Alliance, which deceptively cloaks itself in the language of “social justice” and appropriates political tools such as hip-hop, is far from a liberatory organization. Rather, the ZFA is a project of Magshimey Herut, a group that works in conjunction with the World Zionist Organization (WZO), the Jewish Agency for Israel and the Jewish National Fund—all quasi- governmental organizations that were founded with the explicit purpose of colonizing Palestine to create an exclusively Jewish State. They exist to secure political and economic support for the continued expansion of Israeli apartheid, justify the violence of the State of Israel, and persecute dissenters as anti-Semitic. It is not, therefore, surprising that they would fund the Zionist Freedom Alliance, whose violence is an extension of the Israeli state violence that these organizations actively fund and support.

    Still, while the recent attacks and right-wing organizations like the ZFA may present a particularly violent example of Zionism, we remind the community that they are not merely “bad apples.” All organizations that promote a Zionist relationship to Israel—including those that merely support an end to occupation in Gaza and the West Bank, or that promote a US-brokered “peace agreement,” or that use a “human rights” framework to depoliticize this deeply political issue—are complicit in the violence wrought by 60+ years of illegal and apartheid-like occupation of Palestine.

    Despite the predominance of these voices within public discourse, we assert that Zionism and Judaism need not go hand in hand. As Jews committed to social justice and freedom for all people, we stand against all forms of racism, including Zionism, an ideology of Jewish supremacy against Palestinians. Jewish histories of persecution compel us to oppose persecution of all people. For us, “Never again!” means never again for all people.

    The International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network joins a long struggle for securing the rights of the Palestinian people. We participate in this movement understanding that it is integral to the vibrant movements of our time—the movements for indigenous land rights, immigrant and refugee rights, economic and racial justice, the rights of women and children, and labor rights. For us, there is no safety or self-determination found in the persecution of others, but only in joining struggles for liberation, justice and peace. In sharp contrast to the language the Zionist Freedom Alliance has co-opted, it stands out as a minority against this growing voice demanding collective liberation.

    We expect UC Berkeley to foster an educational environment free of violence and intimidation. We stand in solidarity with students, faculty, and organizations like Students for Justice in Palestine that seeks to challenge structures and ideologies of violence, racism, and colonial occupation.

    We demand that the UC Berkeley Administration and ASUC:

    1. revoke the funding that was allocated towards the ZFA event;
    2. forbid future ZFA organizing and activities on campus;
    3. investigate the assault as a hate crime, rather than assault and battery;
    4. support organizing for Palestinian rights and publicly reject the conflation of challenging Israel, organizing for Palestinian rights or anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism; and
    5. issue a formal statement making this support and distinction clear, including an apology for its handling of the situation.

    As the death toll of war and occupation reaches new heights, funding for education reaches an all-time low, and the number of Californian youth locked up in prisons rivals the number of young people granted access to higher education, it is crucial for UC Berkeley to speak up against racism and violence. Now is the time to help create an educational environment in which all of our students can safely flourish and learn. We trust that UC Berkeley will stand by its convictions, history and stated commitment of supporting justice.

    Respectfully Yours,
    The International Anti-Zionist Jewish Network, Bay Area
    International anti-Zionist Jewish Network, International Coordinating Team

    The following organizations support this statement (check back for updates):
    Global Women’s Strike
    http://www.ijsn.net/244/

  • Mike
  • R.M.

    yes bigotry is a virus …people like you are responsible of attacks like the one at the holocaust museum. Ho! I forgot , you and your little blond friend (hamas’s little sister ) don’t believe there was a holocaust ..

  • Mike

    your a very sad being,

    cant win the debate so u ad hoc it, your smears are weak and baseless, again like your posting, sources, and self.

    I’d yet to hear u talk about obama speech my little troll. nor about the suffering of minority jews. Why? cause u dont care. do u not think minorities should be Jewish or have equal rights or is it okay to discriminate because of past suffering?

    i wish u luck on getting ride of that virus your holding try not to spread the thing.

    Cheers :) troll.

  • R.M

    yes I know all about it …..maybe you should watch out ….doing illegal things can get you in big trouble dear ….cheers….

  • Lilya Lopekha

    R.M. + Fred C. and other people who support israel and call us names

    your little blond friend (hamas’s little sister ) don’t believe there was a holocaust

    How can you say that. I am here to say that “I, Lilya Lopekha, believe that Holocaust did happen”
    I know you will still continue your song, even after the crowd disagrees with you.

    I, also as a young person, do support Opposition in Iran – only at heart. However, I would not do say anything and/or do anything against Ahmedinejad, because is is not my country.

    I also have deep respect for Amhedinejad for being brave and sticking to his morals and saying the difficult things. Example: Holocaust. He never ever ever once denied the Holocaust.

    He did say: Holocaust is a human tragedy, committed by one group of people in “Europe” against another group of people in “Europe”. It has nothing to do with God. It is a human evilness. Therefore it cannot be Holy that is associated with superpowers, etc. Additionally, it happened in Europe, it has nothing to do with the Middle East.

    He said that repeatedly, over and over again …. but yet you will never get it. If you find one single thing that is not logical or does not make sense…. get your brain checked by a professional, OK!

  • frederic C.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad

    There are too many pearls of wisdom from Pres. nut-job to cut and paste here.

  • millard-fillmore

    What are the Palestinians’ stance on the following issues and what rights will they offer to non-Muslims if/when they get their own state?
    1. Rights of women.
    2. Rights of gays and lesbians.
    3. Rights of non-Muslims.

    Will these people get equal rights as citizens, or will they be forced to wear yellow armbands (just like their co-religionists in Afghanistan did to some non-Muslims) and pay jaziya tax because they are “infidels”?

    How about freedom of speech? Will those Palestinians who are critical of Hamas/extremists be allowed to voice their opinions, or will they be silenced?

    And those who are supporting Palestinians, please ask them about equal rights for all before offering your unconditional support to them. If a state has to come in existence, it better guarantee certain rights for all citizens and not just the Muslims, otherwise I want no part of it.

  • NY native

    Dina Omar was charged with battery and shown to have lied about he incident after police reviewed the video. She decided not to press charges because she had no case and would have been prosecuted for false testimony if she had.

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